MisterJB wrote...
Paralyze and Shatter only work if the victim doesn't pass a physical resistance check which counts Constitution points. Sword and Shield Warriors rely heavily on Constitution which means my PC would have TONS of Constitution.
Your crowd control is not even going to slow me down.
MisterJB wrote...
Paralyze and Shatter only work if the victim doesn't pass a physical resistance check which counts Constitution points. Sword and Shield Warriors rely heavily on Constitution which means my PC would have TONS of Constitution.Rassler wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
Hey, if you want to discuss gameplay powers...
BullWark of the Ages + Blood Thirst + Blessing of the Fade + Peon's Plight.
First, I become immune to damage then I increase attack and movement speed twice; at the cost of no life points, because, again, immune to damage; which means I can get close to you before you cast a spell; and even if you do manage to cast one, Blessing of the Fade increases resistance to hostile spells; and then I either kill you instantly; double critical hit or critical hit you.
Lol, bring it on mages.
You are immune to DAMAGE not crowd control. You will share the arisock's fate, paralyzed, screaming in pain, cannot even find time to drink potion, your immunity fades and you die.
Lets not forget shatter aka instant death unless you are boss which you are not
Your crowd control is not even going to slow me down.
Rassler wrote...
There is also an spell that grants full magical immunity. Its in spirit tree. It also makes you immune to holy smite and cleanse aura.
Tarek wrote...
also if something is resistant to magic, a mage can always use the environment to destroy it
templar: " I have magic resistance, prepare to die..."
mage:" that's nice but this 2 ton boulder is not... so im gonna telekenticaly throw it on ur face... bye"
squish
eluvianix wrote...
Rassler wrote...
There is also an spell that grants full magical immunity. Its in spirit tree. It also makes you immune to holy smite and cleanse aura.
Neither Spell Shield, Dispel Magic, or Anti Magic Ward can dispel Templar powers, and those are the only defensive spells in the Spirit Tree, minus Force Field.
Modifié par Rassler, 31 janvier 2014 - 09:58 .
Rassler wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Where does it say that it takes 10 years to develop Templar abilities?Rassler wrote...
If we are considering in game mechanics then mages can render themselves invulneravle temporarily, put templars to sleep etc... but not all mages are capable of that so there is that. But most templars should be mere grunts as well, it takes more than 10 years to master Templar talents.
The real question is, what will mages use in the war? The tevinter for example use elephants, normal soldiers armed to the teeth tec... Every war has its own strategies, we'll see what this one will need.
I don't exactly remember, but I thought a reference was made? Usually it takes a decade for a templar to be promoted to a full knight, which usually happens after they are fully trained. I don't think you simply drink/injest lyrium and become a templar all of a sudden. It takes years and regualr usage to grant magic resistance.
dragonflight288 wrote...
Rassler wrote...
eluvianix wrote...
Where does it say that it takes 10 years to develop Templar abilities?Rassler wrote...
If we are considering in game mechanics then mages can render themselves invulneravle temporarily, put templars to sleep etc... but not all mages are capable of that so there is that. But most templars should be mere grunts as well, it takes more than 10 years to master Templar talents.
The real question is, what will mages use in the war? The tevinter for example use elephants, normal soldiers armed to the teeth tec... Every war has its own strategies, we'll see what this one will need.
I don't exactly remember, but I thought a reference was made? Usually it takes a decade for a templar to be promoted to a full knight, which usually happens after they are fully trained. I don't think you simply drink/injest lyrium and become a templar all of a sudden. It takes years and regualr usage to grant magic resistance.
Not necessarily. In DA2, if Hawke says Kerren isn't possessed, Cullen decides to let him stay in the templars, pending a 10 year probation period to make sure he isn't possessed.
Doesn't work. Physical Resistance Check.Rassler wrote...
Lol you mean over 30 seconds of crowd control is not enough? Petrify
Immune to damage.and arcane prison.
It's a sole battle, useless.More importantly say hello to mind control.
Still immune to damage.Also don't forget shapeshifting into a swarm which is immune to all form of physical damage. A warrior cannot kill 1000 of bugs before dying cause of infectious bites.
Intelligently specced and sufficiently leveled Warriors and Rogues can stand up to any mage.You should have at least chosen DA2 as battleground, in DAA or DAO mages are freaking op. Every gaming strategy site confirms it. Mages are the king class in DAO, hands down.
AutumnWitch wrote...
Wothen wrote...
AutumnWitch wrote...
Realmzmaster wrote...
You keep using Anders but fail to mention that Justice powered Anders up to a level that most mages do not obtained. Anders/Justice is the exception not the rule.
I agree with you that it depends on the power of the individual mage, warrior, templar or rogue. That is not what the OP was stating. IMHO on average a warrior will kill a mage in close combat.
The mage will have the advantage at a distance. The rogue on the other hand will have the advantage if neither the nage nor templar see the rogue coming. For example a rogue goes into Stealth like in DAO. The rogue fires an arrow of slaying at the mage. You will have one dead mage. I know because this is what I did in DAO. The only time it will not work is if the mage is at a high level.
Mages have a lot of good defensive and highly powered robes as well and with the right runes, rings etc to pump up defence. In both DAO and DA2 once I reach level ten-ish most arrows do little to no damage on my Mage (for short periods of time) once I reach level 15ish arrows pretty much are negligible unless there are a lot of archers at one time. (She has a higher defence and armour than Aveline with all of her upgrades until Ave get the Mages Friend Shield with the 3 rune slots and then its still nearly the same).
About the ONLY thing that non-mages can do to hurt my Mage is the assassin back-stab but usually once they do that once I know they are there and ZAP! they are done.
I don't know, I think it comes down to how each person makes their build and what the function is.
Mages are ridiculously good on DA:2 its not even funny
They can fight in close ranges just as well as a warrior, do the same damage of the rogue and have steady aoe, I hope they tone it down or bring the other classes into par
However, I thought this discussion in general was about fluff powers not gameplay powers
I am sorry you will have to please excuse me, I am a not a "gamer" and my whole breadth of knowledge on Mages in games is the DA series which I LOVE. I also love using mages and have honed my time playing them into very efficient, dangerous characters. Sorry.
AutumnWitch wrote...
Its funny you mention the Arishok. Now days, after understanding how to make a good mage. When I battle the Arishok (even on hard) he literally doesn't step two feet or get one attack off before he dies, the look on his face is priceless. If you play your spells right he doesn't have a chance. Even on nightmare he seldom gets to move and maybe he will get one hit in me and that's because I have to take the time to drink a lyrium potion. About the only way to stop a powerful mage is in numbers.
That being said, I don't know what the birth rate of Mages are in Thedas (relative to non-mages) but as they can keep most of them in the Mage towers I have to assume its pretty low. So that is why the mages don't rule all of Thedas, there just isn't enough of them.
Rassler wrote...
There is also an spell that grants full magical immunity. Its in spirit tree. It also makes you immune to holy smite and cleanse aura.
MisterJB wrote...
Doesn't work. Physical Resistance Check.Rassler wrote...
Lol you mean over 30 seconds of crowd control is not enough? PetrifyImmune to damage.and arcane prison.
It's a sole battle, useless.More importantly say hello to mind control.
Still immune to damage.Also don't forget shapeshifting into a swarm which is immune to all form of physical damage. A warrior cannot kill 1000 of bugs before dying cause of infectious bites.
Intelligently specced and sufficiently leveled Warriors and Rogues can stand up to any mage.You should have at least chosen DA2 as battleground, in DAA or DAO mages are freaking op. Every gaming strategy site confirms it. Mages are the king class in DAO, hands down.
Rassler wrote...
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Realmzmaster wrote...
Rassler wrote...
There is also an spell that grants full magical immunity. Its in spirit tree. It also makes you immune to holy smite and cleanse aura.
What spell are you talking about? I can see no spell in DAO or DA2 that grants full magical immunity.
Starsyn wrote...
AutumnWitch wrote...
Its funny you mention the Arishok. Now days, after understanding how to make a good mage. When I battle the Arishok (even on hard) he literally doesn't step two feet or get one attack off before he dies, the look on his face is priceless. If you play your spells right he doesn't have a chance. Even on nightmare he seldom gets to move and maybe he will get one hit in me and that's because I have to take the time to drink a lyrium potion. About the only way to stop a powerful mage is in numbers.
That being said, I don't know what the birth rate of Mages are in Thedas (relative to non-mages) but as they can keep most of them in the Mage towers I have to assume its pretty low. So that is why the mages don't rule all of Thedas, there just isn't enough of them.
As a mage, I feel a little sorry for the Arishok. The formula that I used was this:
One part Elemental
One part Force
Blend Well!
Congrats, you have a dead Arishok very quickly. It almost feels cheap, but I remember running my ass off the first time.
Because its fun?Br3ad wrote...
Why are we arguing about gameplay mechanics again?
Starsyn wrote...
AutumnWitch wrote...
Its funny you mention the Arishok. Now days, after understanding how to make a good mage. When I battle the Arishok (even on hard) he literally doesn't step two feet or get one attack off before he dies, the look on his face is priceless. If you play your spells right he doesn't have a chance. Even on nightmare he seldom gets to move and maybe he will get one hit in me and that's because I have to take the time to drink a lyrium potion. About the only way to stop a powerful mage is in numbers.
That being said, I don't know what the birth rate of Mages are in Thedas (relative to non-mages) but as they can keep most of them in the Mage towers I have to assume its pretty low. So that is why the mages don't rule all of Thedas, there just isn't enough of them.
As a mage, I feel a little sorry for the Arishok. The formula that I used was this:
One part Elemental
One part Force
Blend Well!
Congrats, you have a dead Arishok very quickly. It almost feels cheap, but I remember running my ass off the first time.
dragonflight288 wrote...
Starsyn wrote...
AutumnWitch wrote...
Its funny you mention the Arishok. Now days, after understanding how to make a good mage. When I battle the Arishok (even on hard) he literally doesn't step two feet or get one attack off before he dies, the look on his face is priceless. If you play your spells right he doesn't have a chance. Even on nightmare he seldom gets to move and maybe he will get one hit in me and that's because I have to take the time to drink a lyrium potion. About the only way to stop a powerful mage is in numbers.
That being said, I don't know what the birth rate of Mages are in Thedas (relative to non-mages) but as they can keep most of them in the Mage towers I have to assume its pretty low. So that is why the mages don't rule all of Thedas, there just isn't enough of them.
As a mage, I feel a little sorry for the Arishok. The formula that I used was this:
One part Elemental
One part Force
Blend Well!
Congrats, you have a dead Arishok very quickly. It almost feels cheap, but I remember running my ass off the first time.
lol. So true.
Modifié par Starsyn, 31 janvier 2014 - 10:28 .
Rassler wrote...
You have got to be kidding me, your damage immunity is just temporary. The resistance check doesn't mean it will always resist, the fact that its two spells one of them will most definitely connect.
There is misdirection hex, goodbye damage. Storm of century while anti magic ward is on myself. You are dead.
The possibilities are limitless while you only have one puny lame combo which can be kited to death until immunity is over and killed. Please your making me laugh. The last resort is blood wound of blood mage which CANNOT BE RESISTED BY ANY MEANS as stated in the spell's description, its a crowd control with very decent damage.
Modifié par Realmzmaster, 31 janvier 2014 - 10:33 .
Starsyn wrote...
I think I beat the Arishok in about 90 seconds on my Force/Ele Mage. I'm not trying to be hyperbolic either.
There is one thing that mages have against them: They get tired. The MP/Mana mechanic in most RPGs reflect a mage's energy level. The more fatigued they are = the less mana they have.
In Thedas, they also usually don't have the luxury to just quaff a Lyrium potion either, since the Chantry has a lock on that. Even if they go through the black market, they wouldn't be able to get the quantities they'd need for a large scale war. The Templars would probably have regular fighters with them, and I think the mages would get overrun.
So are your spells but I'm not seeing you take than into account.Rassler wrote...
You have got to be kidding me, your damage immunity is just temporary.
Yes it does. That is exactly what it means. With enough Constitution, you can just shrug all spells that have to pass a check off.
The resistance check doesn't mean it will always resist, the fact that its two spells one of them will most definitely connect.
Oh please, is that supposed to be impressive?There is misdirection hex, goodbye damage. Storm of century while anti magic ward is on myself. You are dead.
Bulwark of the Ages makes you immune to ALL damage period. That includes Blood Wound.The last resort is blood wound of blood mage which CANNOT BE RESISTED BY ANY MEANS as stated in the spell's description, its a crowd control with very decent damage.
Modifié par MisterJB, 31 janvier 2014 - 10:35 .
If it comes from magic, it really wouldn't.MH19 wrote...
Templars run around in metal armor, a bolt of lightning should work wonders on them.
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