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[ImaginaryMatter]

For ME3 the recharge speed for Throw with +200% recharge speed is 1 sec. Add in the 40% for combo mastery, 30% to 50% for armor, the 20% or so percent for Shadow Broker upgrades, and Shepard can even get Flare's cool down to like 3.5 seconds.

[cap and gown]

All squadmate powers are at least doubled for cool down. So Reave for Samara = 12 sec - 25% = 9 seconds. For Shepard = 6 seconds without any class bonuses. Pull for Jack = 9 seconds - 25% = 6.75 seconds. For Shepard Pull = 3 seconds without any class bonuses. Same story for Throw.

[Khavos]

Mark Alarton wrote...

EDIT: Or manage to exhaust the biotic somehow, they aren't godlike soldiers who can spam Warp/Throw 24/7.

While certainly true, I think an N7 biotic wouldn't be too shabby with an assault rifle.  The analogy I like is that a soldier with biotics is basically like a car with nitrous; you won't always use the nitrous, but it's there when you need it, and when you do employ it, it's going to smoke the same model without it.  

[Treacherous J Slither]

Biotics have a trump card that no one else possesses. They can do whatever anyone else can do and more. Exhaustion is the only downside. However, if biotic abilities are used sparingly and tactically this can be mitigated. I guess in gameplay this can be translated as longer cool down times than non biotics but more abilities as well.

From what i've seen biotics can be thrown or cast instantly. When facing captain Enyala, Miranda lifted her into the air with some kind of lift/stasis insta cast move and then shot a throw/warp at her.
Wasea also shot a biotic move at that highly intoxicated volus. She insta cast lifted that crate of drugs though. She threw it at me like she had force powers which i'm assuming biotics mimic. Jack never threw anything but sent people flying all the same.

Biotics can levitate and move stuff around like the force. They can also push with great force in order to slam and object/person into things. Biotics can also deal heavy damage to an object/person at a molecular level like disintegration.

As long as they have a bead on you a biotic of sufficient strength can send you flying. Unless you have a barrier up, you're airborne. I don't believe aiming is a factor. Even if you just peek out of cover you're dead. Distance shouldn't be a factor either. They just need your location. The power can affect the area you're in. Don't even need to actually see you. As long as they know you're around that corner you're done.

Modifié par JSlither, 03 février 2014 - 03:53 .

[Zehealingman]

Khavos wrote...

Mark Alarton wrote...

EDIT: Or manage to exhaust the biotic somehow, they aren't godlike soldiers who can spam Warp/Throw 24/7.

While certainly true, I think an N7 biotic wouldn't be too shabby with an assault rifle.  The analogy I like is that a soldier with biotics is basically like a car with nitrous; you won't always use the nitrous, but it's there when you need it, and when you do employ it, it's going to smoke the same model without it.  

Meh, N7 are the best of best. Your common soldier wouldn't probally surive against a N7. Also I didn't read ''car'' I read ''cat'' and I was slightly confused for a second

[Khavos]

Mark Alarton wrote...

Meh, N7 are the best of best. Your common soldier wouldn't probally surive against a N7. Also I didn't read ''car'' I read ''cat'' and I was slightly confused for a second

Absolutely.  I was just addressing the commonly-retold point around here that once you 'exhaust' a biotic, he's screwed.  

I'd say once you exhaust a biotic, he basically lowers down to only being as good as everyone else, rather than considerably better.  

[Han Shot First]

Khavos wrote...

Mark Alarton wrote...

Meh, N7 are the best of best. Your common soldier wouldn't probally surive against a N7. Also I didn't read ''car'' I read ''cat'' and I was slightly confused for a second

Absolutely.  I was just addressing the commonly-retold point around here that once you 'exhaust' a biotic, he's screwed.  

I'd say once you exhaust a biotic, he basically lowers down to only being as good as everyone else, rather than considerably better.  

It wouldn't necessarily make the biotic as good as everyone else. It would depend on the individuals on both sides and their degrees of competency in several other areas important in combat. Lets say Jack runs out of steam for example. Does that mean that without her biotics she is just as capable as Ashley on the battlefield? Of course not. Ashley is a professional soldier and likely both a superior marksman and more adept with small unit tactics.

And while that comparison is somewhat unfair in that Jack is not a soldier, even all soldiers (or Marines) are not created equal. Just like in any other profession, there are going to be varying levels of competency.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 05 février 2014 - 11:33 .

[themikefest]

use a flashbang grenade and those biotics will be dead within a few moments

use a smoke grenade and with your thermal scopes shoot them dead

[Wulfram]

Khavos wrote...

Absolutely.  I was just addressing the commonly-retold point around here that once you 'exhaust' a biotic, he's screwed. 

I'd say once you exhaust a biotic, he basically lowers down to only being as good as everyone else, rather than considerably better. 

I think when you exhaust a biotic he's exhausted and thus probably less effective in a fight too.  It's not like you're running out of mana, it's a question of stamina.

There's the fact that there's a finite amount of training time.

Modifié par Wulfram, 05 février 2014 - 11:05 .

[Han Shot First]

Wulfram wrote...

Khavos wrote...

Absolutely.  I was just addressing the commonly-retold point around here that once you 'exhaust' a biotic, he's screwed. 

I'd say once you exhaust a biotic, he basically lowers down to only being as good as everyone else, rather than considerably better. 

I think when you exhaust a biotic he's exhausted and thus probably less effective in a fight too.  It's not like you're running out of mana, it's a question of stamina.

That is most definitely the case.

If you have an unloyal Jack or Samara maintain the biotic bubble in ME2 (or use a weaker squaddie, like Thane or Jacob) the biotic will collapse with exhaustion at the very end and need to be partially carried across the finish line by Shepard.

[DeinonSlayer]

themikefest wrote...

use a smoke grenade and with your thermal scopes shoot them dead

Is this former soldier talk, or COD MW2 talk?

[themikefest]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

themikefest wrote...

use a smoke grenade and with your thermal scopes shoot them dead

Is this former soldier talk, or COD MW2 talk?

Why are you asking?

Modifié par themikefest, 06 février 2014 - 03:57 .

[DeinonSlayer]

themikefest wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

themikefest wrote...

use a smoke grenade and with your thermal scopes shoot them dead

Is this former soldier talk, or COD MW2 talk?

Why are you asking?

Just curious. I remember it from the oil rig mission in MW2 but didn't know how viable it was in real life - I imagine thermal scopes aren't exactly standard issue kit.

[themikefest]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

themikefest wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

themikefest wrote...

use a smoke grenade and with your thermal scopes shoot them dead

Is this former soldier talk, or COD MW2 talk?

Why are you asking?

Just curious. I remember it from the oil rig mission in MW2 but didn't know how viable it was in real life - I imagine thermal scopes aren't exactly standard issue kit.

I haven't played MW in a long time.

I never used thermal scopes/night vision scopes on handheld weapons, but I used them in tanks when we were doing night maneuvers. We had night vision( similiar to night vision goggles) for driving and thermal sights for fring down range. Very cool firing at night. This was 23 years ago so things I'm sure have improved dramatically.

Modifié par themikefest, 06 février 2014 - 04:47 .

[DeinonSlayer]

themikefest wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

themikefest wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

themikefest wrote...

use a smoke grenade and with your thermal scopes shoot them dead

Is this former soldier talk, or COD MW2 talk?

Why are you asking?

Just curious. I remember it from the oil rig mission in MW2 but didn't know how viable it was in real life - I imagine thermal scopes aren't exactly standard issue kit.

I haven't played MW in a long time.

I never used thermal scopes/night vision scopes on rifles, but I used them in tanks when we were doing night maneuvers. We had night vision( similiar to night vision goggles) for driving and thermal sights for fring down range. Very cool firing at night. This was 23 years ago so things I'm sure have improved dramatically.

Cool. I remember seeing you were in the Military BSNer's group but had no idea what branch. Relatives of mine who have served have told me about piloting with NVGs. I'm given to understand that use of NVGs is part of standard training for front-line soldiers these days, but wasn't as sure about thermal.

[Khavos]

Wulfram wrote...

I think when you exhaust a biotic he's exhausted and thus probably less effective in a fight too.  It's not like you're running out of mana, it's a question of stamina.

There's the fact that there's a finite amount of training time.

The "finite amount of training time" argument is somewhat viable, but it's clear that the Alliance, at least, starts out with biotic training at an early age.  If you already know the biotic stuff by the time you're 18 and graduating from the Ascension Project (or BAaT before it), then you're probably looking at comparable levels of non-biotic training.

Basically, if you're within a biotic soldier's effective biotic engagement range, you're screwed, because there's no real defense against them.  If you're beyond their viable biotic engagement range, they've still got the same tools you do for a long-range firefight, so it's a push.  

[sr2josh]

Modifié par Makai81, 06 février 2014 - 09:50 .