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[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So Liara's writer left, Weekes is on DA:I, Dumbrow left, ummmmm..... and Mac is staying?

Yes, but he's not the Lead Writer.  Now he's the "Narrative Director" .  I have no idea what that means.

Could mean more oversight and approval without direct participation in the main storyline, possibly with some writing here and there for the characters and subplots. Who knows. Sounds like less of an elbow-grease position to me.

[Mcfly616]

Yeah....like Mac might be the one deciding on what "type" of story they want to tell.....and the actual writers will be the ones filling in the details and writing the intricacies of the narrative. Mac picks the canvas and the writers paint the picture. Atleast, that's the way my imagination runs with it.

[AresKeith]

Doesn't the Narrative Director also handle lore?

[GreyLycanTrope]

AresKeith wrote...

Doesn't the Narrative Director also handle lore?

>implying they won't just retcon the lore as they see fit to do whatever they feel like anyways.

[dreamgazer]

AresKeith wrote...

Doesn't the Narrative Director also handle lore?

In a roundabout way, it could, though the job description doesn't explicitly say that Narrative Director = Loremaster.

Greylycantrope wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Doesn't the Narrative Director also handle lore?

>implying they won't just retcon the lore as they see fit to do whatever they feel like anyways.

Pretty much. Just look at the transition between ME1 and ME2.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 01 février 2014 - 06:56 .

[Mcfly616]

Greylycantrope wrote...

>implying they won't just retcon the lore as they see fit to do whatever they feel like anyways.

that'd be cool. Someone should be keeping tabs on that sort of thing. Disney designated some guy to the same type of position for Star Wars (he was with LucasFilm since the OT). And I'd venture to say, while we aren't so wide-spread and numerous, Mass Effect fans are just as rabid when it comes to idiots messing with the lore of their beloved series.

[SwobyJ]

I like Halo 4.

[Steelcan]

SwobyJ wrote...

I like Halo 4.

I do to, as you know from chat


But it still was a misstep in terms of lore and story IMO

[Oransel]

I think that it would make more sense to make high quality Mass Effect TV series rather than film. Main issue is the time limit because if you strip ME plot to it's bare minimum in order to fit in 2-3 hours, it's unlikely to achieve the effect needed or to make sense at all with all the exposition, characters, combat, romances and plots needed. Not to mention that final product is likely to look extremely dumb as well. In short - there are too many things to fill in to make such ambitious film successful. Episode system would make more sense IMO. ME2, for example, is practically built as TV series with recruitment - loyalty missions - main plot episodes.

Modifié par Oransel, 01 février 2014 - 07:32 .

[Darks1d3]

Steelcan wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

I like Halo 4.

I do to, as you know from chat


But it still was a misstep in terms of lore and story IMO

You're just mad that Sergeant Johnson was killed off in Halo 3, by a glorified floating flashlight. :happy:

Modifié par Darks1d3, 01 février 2014 - 09:20 .

[Mcfly616]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I do to, as you know from chat


But it still was a misstep in terms of lore and story IMO

I don't know very much at all about halo 4's story--but how do you feel it's a misstep of lore? Because of the new, super-powerful enemy race, or something else?

I must admit that Halo 4's story was a bit disjointed and could've been a completely jarring experience had I never read the Forerunner novels prior to playing it. In fact, I know this to be true as my first playthrough was co-op with the same friend I've played every single Halo campaign with. He knows Halo just as well as I, yet he was completely lost throughout the story of Halo 4. 

Why? Well, because the game expects you to know who the main villain is, and all this grand scale lore (the Librarian, and the Mantle) that can be only known of if you've read the novels. No game should put that responsibility on the players in order to comprehend the narrative fully. However, having read the Forerunner novels, I can't help but look toward the future with anticipation.


The Reclaimer Trilogy will dwarf the Covenant Trilogy in terms of how epic it is. 

Besides Halo 4's mistake of not giving any build up or background information on major characters, I still think it's the best campaign since Combat Evolved. Gameplay and mission design are far and above anything else in the series. 


It doesn't betray any of the lore. It actually expands it to a whole new scale. The game unfortunately just doesn't give any context to players that haven't read the novels. It just expects you to know...

Modifié par Mcfly616, 01 février 2014 - 11:07 .

[SwobyJ]

Steelcan wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

I like Halo 4.

I do to, as you know from chat


But it still was a misstep in terms of lore and story IMO

Yeah I was just messing with you.

I wonder what you'd think if the next game is that 'mirror universe' (more or less; not literally a multiverse deal) I think it might be.

Lore breaking, or lore fulfilling?

It could go so wrong.

[Daemul]

The Battle of Omega is the part of my ME3 replays that I look forward to the most. Pure, near uninterrupted, glorious combat. I spend more time walking around talking than engaged in combat in the main game, and on your 10th+ playthrough this gets extremely boring since you've already heard it all before. Omega is the perfect remedy for this, over 4 hours of near complete combat focus. It's majestic.

[Mcfly616]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Hmm. I've read a number of the novels (actually have Fall of Reach and The Flood), but I don't know if I've read the Forerunner ones.

One bad thing I've heard about the plot is how it turns the doctor into a villain. Which bugs me a lot, because she wasn't initially. One GOOD thing I heard about was Cortana's rampancy--about time that finally happened in a game rather than just the books.

the Fall of Reach was fantastic. If they ever do a Halo movie, they should just use that for the base material. However, the Forerunner novels just came out in recent years. It actually has nothing to do with the modern Halo timeline. It sets the stage for all the events to come in the new trilogy. Taking place back millions of years ago, when the Forerunners were shaping the Cosmos and shepherding other races through existence. Oh....and "ancient humans". Pretty trippy and mind-blowing. Didn't expect it to come out of a Halo novel. But it's a far more mature and thought-provoking read than The Flood or Ghosts of Onyx. 



And don't listen to what people say. Dr. Halsey's actions are a matter of interpretation. I'm not sure why anyone would see her as a full-blown villain. Things aren't always so black and white. (as Mass Effect has done such a nice job of demonstrating). People will criticize anything that doesn't cater to their own perception. All I can tell you is that I've played every Halo, read nearly every book, so I'm fairly confident I know the lore like the back of my hand, and I can honestly say that I didn't see the Doctor as a villain at all. She's merely under investigation. And she's not really being treated too nicely. I wouldn't be the nicest person either, had I been held against my will for debatable/questionable reasons. 

Modifié par Mcfly616, 01 février 2014 - 11:20 .

[Mcfly616]

Yes, she takes John. And many other children and replaces them with clones so that the parents are none the wiser. Not the most heroic if actions, however she's not doing it alone and she's also doing it for the good of humanity. She's still on our side. I agree she wasn't portrayed in a likable manner in some of the literature, but she was never a villain.

The Spartans are humanity's last defense. She created the Spartan Program. She serves humanity, and cares about John and Cortana. It's not like she wants to take over the world or see the end of humanity. However, I wouldn't be surprised if she seeks revenge against certain humans who have wronged her.

[Darks1d3]

 I didn't read the forerunner books, but I wasn't lost as far as the plot goes. I read all the terminals in Halo 3 and 4, so I had an idea on what the mantle was, or who the didact or librarian were. The only thing that bugged me was that the didact wasn't portrayed the same way in Halo 3 through the terminals as he was in Halo 4. My memory may be faulty, but didn't didact activate the halo rings originally according to the terminals in Halo 3? It's been a long time since I played that game.

[CrutchCricket]

iakus wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So Liara's writer left, Weekes is on DA:I, Dumbrow left, ummmmm..... and Mac is staying?

Yes, but he's not the Lead Writer.  Now he's the "Narrative Director" .  I have no idea what that means.

Great. Anyone else reminded of Casino, where De Niro's character kept changing job titles to keep being the boss?

For ME5 you'll tell me Walters changes to  "Food and Beverage Director".

Pass.

[Urulai]

 I am immensely weary of any sequel or tie in to Mass Effect after ME3.  Especially if the original folks responsible for the huge screw up with its story are in anyway still involved.  Not only EA but Bioware has to earn back my respect and money.  Which will be alot harder then just simply starting from scratch folks.

Modifié par Urulai, 02 février 2014 - 01:20 .

[Armass81]

Mass Effect 4 (is that the official name now?) and Halo 4, i dont think you can really draw comparisons, its way too early... theyre different franchises done by different studios. Personally I find ME superior as scifi story and universe, even after the missteps they made. Halo also has few intresting characters IMO while ME has a lot.

I agree that the story didnt really go well with Halo 4, they didnt explain anything, and I havent read the novels. Suddenly youre just fighting covenant, again(didnt they make peace), and I had no idea who the Didact was or why he hated humans.

Only after a visit to wikia did I find out these answers. They shouldnt do that in a game.

Modifié par Armass81, 02 février 2014 - 02:14 .

[Mcfly616]

@Armass81

I agree that they are incomparable, as they are two different type of games. However, the comparison was made due to the fact that both franchises were taken over by a new studio during uncertain times. That is all.



Also, Halo's "lore" is certainly on par with Mass Effect's. However, it's story and narrative is not reflected on-screen as well as Mass Effect's.