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[Captain Obvious]

Mr.House wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

So KOTOR/TOR, Darth Bane, etc is all... non-canon?

So far anything that took place in the past is canon right now, anything that takes place after RotJ has been axed.

Yeah, no. That's not what Pablo Hidalgo said. Everything in the past is also non-canon. Hate to break to you. They may not make a film or TV series set a thousands of years before The Phantom Menace, yet nevertheless, the Lucasfilm Story Group rendered it all non-canon.

[addiction21]

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

But ya I feel sorry for the people at wookiepedia, there's going to be alot of editing.

They ought to just put a halt on trying to fix timelines until the "canon" has been truly set in stone. Otherwise, it's just a mess.

They haven't had a hard time trying to organize all this **** in the first place?

Personally I would need to be locked into a padded room and heavily medicated to even think about seriously trying in the first place.

[Enigmatick]

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

[Hellion Rex]

Enigmatick wrote...

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

Huh?

[addiction21]

eluvianix wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

Huh?

I guess he is referring to this.

http://clonewars.wik...iki/Darth_Revan
http://clonewars.wik...wiki/Darth_Bane

I couldn't even find a deleted part for Kreia.

Modifié par addiction21, 07 février 2014 - 01:22 .

[Hellion Rex]

addiction21 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

Huh?

I guess he is referring to this.

http://clonewars.wik...iki/Darth_Revan
http://clonewars.wik...wiki/Darth_Bane

Damn. First I had ever heard of that.

[Captain Obvious]

Enigmatick wrote...

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

I guess I should also point out that Darth Bane was a character that was first created by George Lucas before he was elaborated further on by Drew Karpyshyn. 

Modifié par Cap. Obvious, 07 février 2014 - 01:28 .

[AresKeith]

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

I guess I should also point out that Darth Bane was a character that was first created by George Lucas before he was elaborated further on by Drew Karpyshyn. 

You do know that Revan is heavily connected to Darth Bane right?

[addiction21]

AresKeith wrote...

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

I guess I should also point out that Darth Bane was a character that was first created by George Lucas before he was elaborated further on by Drew Karpyshyn. 

You do know that Revan is heavily connected to Darth Bane right?

And is that because Lucas made those connections or others did? But it really does not matter because Lucas never put his stamp of approval on it so its not canon.

And if Lucas went with new movies set after Return of the Jedi it would be no different.

The thing that cant be changed is everything we all got. The games, books, comics EU that no matter how it turns out and what Disney does with the IP that doesn't go away because its not "canon" anymore.

[AresKeith]

addiction21 wrote...

The thing that cant be changed is everything we all got. The games, books, comics EU that no matter how it turns out and what Disney does with the IP that doesn't go away because its not "canon" anymore.

That's not even close to the point

[addiction21]

AresKeith wrote...

addiction21 wrote...

The thing that cant be changed is everything we all got. The games, books, comics EU that no matter how it turns out and what Disney does with the IP that doesn't go away because its not "canon" anymore.

That's not even close to the point

Well don't keep me in suspense. What is the point?

[Han Shot First]

Good, good...





The TFU took established canon and and shat upon it. Starkiller was also a ridiculous Mary Sue.

I'm happy to see both officially rendered non-canon.

[Han Shot First]

The Thrawn Trilogy being tossed out is sad, as unlike much of the EU it was actually very good. And it introduced a couple of the more beloved EU characters. But I kind of expected that would be the case as the new movies were guaranteed to interfere with the Thrawn trilogy's plot and chain of events. I knew that was going to end up non-canon the minute Star Wars sequels were announced.

In general though the EU was a complete mess and I'm glad to see it go. If Disney allows EU books after the release of their films, I hope there is more quality control than when Lucas was at the helm. Since Lucas considered EU little more than a step above fanfiction he allowed all sorts of wacky concepts to get published, and allowed authors to get away with keep trying to "one up" film characters and characters created by other EU authors with ever more powerful force abilities. It quickly got ridiculous.

I'm also not sad to see the concept of "gray" force users tossed into the rubbish bin. They have no place in the Star Wars universe. Gray or neutral force users conflict with the films where there is no middle ground between the light and the dark side. And that is the way it should stay.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 février 2014 - 05:05 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

What qualifies a screen? Aren't video games played on a screen?

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Yeah. I will be annoyed if there won't be any trace of Kyle Katarn, Desann or Tavion.

> They're not overpowered, too Unreal or badly written.
> No reason to remove them.

[Han Shot First]

It will be interesting to see if any EU books get edited and rereleased once the new film series is complete, to mesh with the new canon.

[Neoleviathan]

I'll miss the parts of the EU that added to the films. Like Mara revealing Vader lost his other hand after the first film, added power to when he takes Luke's in the second. Luke & the Rebellion took away pretty much all the humanity he had left. Just finished reading through the Thrawn trilogy last night, so it's pretty fresh for me. But I understand the EU had as it's problems. I was pretty excited that S. A. Corey was doing a book about Solo, before one-uping ruined that idea. Following Han Solo on a smuggling adventure sounds cool enough, getting a peak at that life... But oh no, look out, ancient superwepens, the galaxy is doomed, run!

[MegaIllusiveMan]

eluvianix wrote...

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

Damnit... So much potentials for the stories

Altough I didn't quite understand it... Was the Original Starkiller that one that kills everyone when chosing the Dark Side Path on FU2? (Can't remember if it's everyone, still...)

Ah, also, I think that was actually suposed to happen, since, heck, Starkiller killed, like lots of people from the Old Jedi Order AND even met Yoda.

SW:TFU had potential, and I hope it's compensated in Rebels

Edit: Fixed typo

No, I think the whole thing is that the original Starkiller did indeed die. The Dark Side one in FU2 who kills everyone was a clone created prior to the playable clone in FU2.

So, the original Starkiller died confronting the Emperor aboard the Death Star in FU(1)?

Edit:

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Cap. Obvious wrote...

All of it's been axed.

Good grief, does this mean we got to find Luke a new wife?

She should've been in the movie tbh

Well...technically Mara Jade was indeed within Return of the Jedi.

Oh lewd. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Yup, she was... She was disguised as a Dancer to assassinate Luke.

Mr.House wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

So
KOTOR/TOR, Darth Bane, etc is all... non-canon?

So far anything
that took place in the past is canon right now, anything that takes
place after RotJ has been axed.

And TFU... It's before RotJ

Kaiser Arian wrote...

Yeah. I will be annoyed if there won't be any trace of Kyle Katarn, Desann or Tavion.

> They're not overpowered, too Unreal or badly written.
> No reason to remove them.

You mean on the movies or the series?

If you mean the movies, JJ Abrams said that the movies WON'T follow Cannon.

Modifié par MegaIllusiveMan, 07 février 2014 - 03:15 .

[CrutchCricket]

Yeah, so just about everywhere else I've looked the story is that Disney has put together a committee to determine what is and isn't canon. The Pablo guy is just one of them, along with Leland Chee, who's always kept the EU more or less together. The emphasis (right from Chee, who I'm willing to trust more, based on his background than this Pablo guy I've never heard of) is on establishing one canon going forward and dispensing with the previous hierarchy.

So all they're really doing is getting rid of the "sort of canon" status. But the implication (or at least the possibility) that some EU stuff will remain (and be set in stone like the movies) is there.

Makes sense. I always thought of it as one canon anyway because the stories I was interested in didn't contradict each other. So yes, some things (especially post Jedi) will likely get axed. But some things might stay. After all, if you're throwing out everything you don't need a committee.

[Hellion Rex]

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

Damnit... So much potentials for the stories

Altough I didn't quite understand it... Was the Original Starkiller that one that kills everyone when chosing the Dark Side Path on FU2? (Can't remember if it's everyone, still...)

Ah, also, I think that was actually suposed to happen, since, heck, Starkiller killed, like lots of people from the Old Jedi Order AND even met Yoda.

SW:TFU had potential, and I hope it's compensated in Rebels

Edit: Fixed typo

No, I think the whole thing is that the original Starkiller did indeed die. The Dark Side one in FU2 who kills everyone was a clone created prior to the playable clone in FU2.

So, the original Starkiller died confronting the Emperor aboard the Death Star in FU(1)?

Indeed. He was killed when he confronted the Emperor in FU1.

[Captain Obvious]

AresKeith wrote...

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

I guess I should also point out that Darth Bane was a character that was first created by George Lucas before he was elaborated further on by Drew Karpyshyn. 

You do know that Revan is heavily connected to Darth Bane right?

Except that Revan is in the EU. Big difference.

[Hellion Rex]

Cap. Obvious wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

I guess I should also point out that Darth Bane was a character that was first created by George Lucas before he was elaborated further on by Drew Karpyshyn. 

You do know that Revan is heavily connected to Darth Bane right?

Except that Revan is in the EU. Big difference.

Well, both are in the EU.

[Captain Obvious]

eluvianix wrote...

Cap. Obvious wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Cap. Obvious wrote...

Enigmatick wrote...

Technically the characters of Kotor can't be non canon, both Kreia and Revan were in TCW.

I guess I should also point out that Darth Bane was a character that was first created by George Lucas before he was elaborated further on by Drew Karpyshyn. 

You do know that Revan is heavily connected to Darth Bane right?

Except that Revan is in the EU. Big difference.

Well, both are in the EU.

Darth Bane was a character developed by George Lucas, so he might still be canon since George has some say in the creative process.

[FireAndBlood]

eluvianix wrote...

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

Damnit... So much potentials for the stories

Altough I didn't quite understand it... Was the Original Starkiller that one that kills everyone when chosing the Dark Side Path on FU2? (Can't remember if it's everyone, still...)

Ah, also, I think that was actually suposed to happen, since, heck, Starkiller killed, like lots of people from the Old Jedi Order AND even met Yoda.

SW:TFU had potential, and I hope it's compensated in Rebels

Edit: Fixed typo

No, I think the whole thing is that the original Starkiller did indeed die. The Dark Side one in FU2 who kills everyone was a clone created prior to the playable clone in FU2.

So, the original Starkiller died confronting the Emperor aboard the Death Star in FU(1)?

Indeed. He was killed when he confronted the Emperor in FU1.

Starkillers story should have ended in TFU 1, the whole clone business in TFU 2 was a mess.

[BouncyFrag]

Part of me is now glad that what happened to Chewie isn't canon. Of all the things that could happen to someone.