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[Maclimes]

There are a few other terms that float around. For example, someone who was born into the Qun but left it would be called "Vashoth" by the followers of the Qun, but prefer the term "Tal-Vashoth" for themselves. But this is minor, and would not be used by 99.9% of the population of Thedas.

Then there's "Kossith". It's an antiquated term that refers to the biological race of horned men, but it is not used in modern times. Only anthropologists and pedantic nerds used the term.

I hope this helps. If you spot any corrections, let me know.

[Angarma]

Maclimes wrote...
Then there's "Kossith". It's an antiquated term that refers to the biological race of horned men, but it is not used in modern times. Only anthropologists and pedantic nerds used the term.

A little much, don't you think?

Kossith, even as an archaic term, works well to identify all types of horned ox-men.
That includes those which are rarely (I imagine) born outside of the Qun.
I've myself found the interchanging usage of 'Vashoth,' 'Tal-Vashoth' & 'Qunari' to be at best, strange.

Especially when one considers the fact that we're on the internet, not Thedas, so we generally have more knowledge.

Modifié par Dodok, 01 février 2014 - 04:32 .

[Sentinel358]

 Finally

[Maclimes]

Dodok wrote...

Maclimes wrote...
Then there's "Kossith". It's an antiquated term that refers to the biological race of horned men, but it is not used in modern times. Only anthropologists and pedantic nerds used the term.

A little much, don't you think?

I admit, that was a little harsh. 

[leaguer of one]

Dodok wrote...


A little much, don't you think?

Kossith, even as an archaic term, works well to identify all types of horned ox-men.
That includes those which are rarely (I imagine) born outside of the Qun.
I've myself found the interchanging usage of 'Vashoth,' 'Tal-Vashoth' & 'Qunari' to be at best, strange.

Especially when one considers the fact that we're on the internet, not Thedas, so we generally have more knowledge.

How many time do have to be told that term is wrong. The writers say it is. The chracters in the story don't even us it. The qunari says it's wrong. 
 It just the wrong term point blank. It's like calling french men gales. 
It not what they are called point blank.

[Mirrman70]

I foresee this becoming a **** show.

[leaguer of one]

Sentinel358 wrote...

 Finally

.....He can smile? Is the fade about to rip open or something?

[Secretlyapotato]

Sentinel358 wrote...

 Finally

Omg when did he smile?

[Maclimes]

leaguer of one wrote...

.....He can smile? Is the fade about to rip open or something?

Must be a mod.

[Sentinel358]

The Arishok smiles after making a comment about why the Qunari dont give their powder to people outside of the Qun saying "....just as swords benefit warrior but are not given to children.....well your children;)"

[Eurypterid]

The devs explained it in another thread. Relevant quotes:

Here.

[OctagonalSquare]

Religious affiliation: Qunari

Racial catch-all: qunari

[Iakus]

OctagonalSquare wrote...

Religious affiliation: Qunari

Racial catch-all: qunari

^This

[nightscrawl]

Sentinel358 wrote...

Hah I love this. It's way better than the "No" gif.

Eurypterid wrote...

The devs explained it in another thread. Relevant quotes:

Here.

You have to admit that a chart is a lot more convenient than wading through over a dozen posts with the various points all scattered throughout.

[Spectre slayer]

Good work and nice chart but there's one thing I have an issue with which is this, and the other is this post by Dodok.

Then there's "Kossith". It's an antiquated term that refers to the biological race of horned men, but it is not used in modern times. Only anthropologists and pedantic nerds used the term.

A little much, don't you think?

Kossith, even as an archaic term, works well to identify all types of horned ox-men.

That includes those which are rarely (I imagine) born outside of the Qun.

I've myself found the interchanging usage of 'Vashoth,' 'Tal-Vashoth' & 'Qunari' to be at best, strange.

Especially when one considers the fact that we're on the internet, not Thedas, so we generally have more knowledge

It's not actually the name of the race nor was it before, just the culture that they were pre conversion of the Qun but everything else is right only a select few even recognize the term in thedas. If you went up to a Qunari and called it a Kossith they won't know what you're talking about unless it's a tamarssan or a priest.

It really doesn't help matters either, and I actually don't think it was harsh at all considering some people's attitudes sometimes when using the term here and other site's it gets pretty bad , I get that people want a term for just the race but that's probably not going to happen and they've given us the terms we can use and clarified it again.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 01 février 2014 - 07:49 .

[Thomas Andresen]

It's not actually the name of the race nor was it before, just the culture that they were pre conversion of the Qun but everything else is right only a select few even recognize the term in thedas. If you went up to a Qunari and called it a Kossith they won't know what you're talking about unless it's a tamarssan or a priest.

That was kind of Maclimes' point. Dodok's post was the counterargument.

Only anthropologists and pedantic nerds used the term.

Accurate.

[HK-90210]

The best way I've heard it explained in real-world terms:

What do you call people who follow the Jewish religion? Jewish.

What do you call the people who are descended from the tribe of Isreal, regardless of their religious status? Jewish.

Both an ethnicity and a religion.

[phunx]

[quote]Maclimes wrote...
Then there's "Kossith". It's an antiquated term that refers to the biological race of horned men, but it is not used in modern times. Only anthropologists and pedantic nerds used the term.[/quote]
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I lost it at that part, still laughing lol my biggest problem is those are wannabe pedantic nerds, since they'll go against the words of the writters to sound smart

[Angarma]

leaguer of one wrote...

Dodok wrote...


A little much, don't you think?

Kossith, even as an archaic term, works well to identify all types of horned ox-men.
That includes those which are rarely (I imagine) born outside of the Qun.
I've myself found the interchanging usage of 'Vashoth,' 'Tal-Vashoth' & 'Qunari' to be at best, strange.

Especially when one considers the fact that we're on the internet, not Thedas, so we generally have more knowledge.

How many time do have to be told that term is wrong. The writers say it is. The chracters in the story don't even us it. The qunari says it's wrong. 
 It just the wrong term point blank. It's like calling french men gales. 
It not what they are called point blank.

Honestly, I've no care if it's wrong or right in Thedas, it's just something that causes less confusion online.
People need an all-in-one term to refer to all the horned ox-men people by, for 'qunari' in all its forms is strange.

'Tis like calling all tibetans- buddhists, then saying it specifically means the ethnic group, not the practitioners.
A similar issue has been brought up in real life between lesbians (sexual orientation) and lesbians (lesbos).

Note: I am in no means one to think that the term, 'Kossith' is used on Thedas often, for it is indeed 'outdated.'
However, I do believe it's the least confusing term to refer to all the horned ox-men people by, while on the forums.

For it's so much easier for people to start arguing here in random qunari threads, when people start using the
term, 'qunari'-because yes, someone (who has knowledge of that) will eventually come in and correct them-
then someone else corrects them: etcera, etcera, the cycle continues. That'll go on, up until the game is released.

Now I should say, the intention of my original post was only supposed to defend the usage of the term, 'Kossith,'
for the sake of simplicity- not lore/political correctness (I found Maclimes remark- belittling, hypocritical & stereotyping). However, since then, I've hoped to broaden that view so others might understand what I was originally on about.

Modifié par Dodok, 01 février 2014 - 08:00 .

[Sentinel358]

^not only is it wrong, but it confuses things further

[Maclimes]

Dodok wrote...
I found Maclimes remark- belittling, hypocritical & stereotyping

Given the rest of my post, I thought it was pretty clear I was referring to "pedantic nerds" from an in-universe perspective (someone like Finn). I wasn't referring to pedantic nerds on the forums. You didn't think I meant anthropologists on the forums, did you?

[Angarma]

Maclimes wrote...

Dodok wrote...
I found Maclimes remark- belittling, hypocritical & stereotyping

Given the rest of my post, I thought it was pretty clear I was referring to "pedantic nerds" from an in-universe perspective (someone like Finn). I wasn't referring to pedantic nerds on the forums. You didn't think I meant anthropologists on the forums, did you?

Of course not, but rightly, I found the word 'nerd' difficult to fathom inside the Dragon Age universe.
Due to it's common relation to individuals who invest a great amount of time on technical/fictional hobbies.
But nevertheless, if you were going down that route, 'book worms,' would have easily have been more..

Hmm.. of the same perspective (in-universe)?

Sentinel358 wrote...

^not only is it wrong, but it confuses things further

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Modifié par Dodok, 01 février 2014 - 08:36 .

[Maclimes]

Dodok wrote...

Of course not, but rightly, I found the word 'nerd' difficult to fathom inside the Dragon Age universe.
Due to it's common relation to individuals who invest a great amount of time on technical/fictional hobbies.
But nevertheless, if you were going down that route, 'book worms,' would have easily have been more..

Hmm.. of the same perspective (in-universe)?

A fair point. I'd edit the OP to be more clear, but then people would just be confused about what you and I are talking about. So they'll just have to read down this far.

[Eurypterid]

nightscrawl wrote...

You have to admit that a chart is a lot more convenient than wading through over a dozen posts with the various points all scattered throughout.

Not really, no. I'm not really a chart kind of person, so reading the posts makes it a lot clearer for me. YMMV.