I still haven't gotten around to reading The Stolen Throne, and the more I hear about Maric being like Alistair, the less I want to.
I suppose I bought into the way Loghain lionized him. Had this picture of Maric as a truly inspirational leader. Alistair couldn't inspire water out of a glass.
I don't think that Anora was barren. Personally I suspect that it's more likely that after sleeping around so much, Cailan was either too shagged out (literally) to do the deed or Anora (quite rightfully) didn't want him anywhere near her, while he's still smelling of other women.
It's also possible her and Alistair (if married) are trying and just have been unsuccessful because of the Taint.
But I don't think Alistair's an idiot, he knows that his chances of having a child are near-zero. I see two possibilities for who he might choose to be his heir-presumptive if he dies unmarried or unable to have a child.
Bann Teagan and his heirs, as someone he considers family and who has been shown to be a very loyal advisor to him over the years. He's both politically savvy, likeable and popular enough that I could see the Landsmeet backing him as a possible candidate.
Or, a more interesting possibility is that he's had someone (his own Ned Stark) tracking down any Lil Theirin's sired by Cailan, planning to legitimalise them, since he'd already established a precedent for illegitimate children to take the throne.
Don't think teagan's would be made heir as there is still Fergus. And specially if he has married again and made more little Orens, would make him more lucrative candidate on the throne.
True, I could see the Landsmeet being in favour of Fergus Cousland, especially if Alistair is married to the Human Female Noble.
Eamon would have a claim before Teagan, being the older brother. Both have their claim through marriage; Fergus' claim is based solely on the Cousland's power(which, one assumes, is diminished after the events of Origins.)
Would ultimately be up to the Landsmeet, and I don't think it would get quite as bloody as the last dispute they had.
I still haven't gotten around to reading The Stolen Throne, and the more I hear about Maric being like Alistair, the less I want to.
I suppose I bought into the way Loghain lionized him. Had this picture of Maric as a truly inspirational leader. Alistair couldn't inspire water out of a glass.
Sorry, then that really should have been under spoiler tags.
if someone can tell how to put it spoiler tags I will 
Sorry, then that really should have been under spoiler tags.
if someone can tell how to put it spoiler tags I will
[ spoiler] [/spoiler ], without the spaces.
For me though, it's alright. I've been spoiled to it plenty of times. My lack of will to read it has more to do with me not liking the information than already knowing it.
Eamon would have a claim before Teagan, being the older brother. Both have their claim through marriage; Fergus' claim is based solely on the Cousland's power(which, one assumes, is diminished after the events of Origins.)
True, but Eamon is getting on in years and even abdicates as Arl for Teagan in some ending slides, although it's unclear how canon this is.
There is also the issue of Eamon having an heir. Connor is either dead or in the Circle Tower and even if Eamon does have a second child, it's eventually revealed that she is also a Mage. Since Mages cannot inherit titles according the law, this would leave Teagan as the next-in-line.
I still haven't gotten around to reading The Stolen Throne, and the more I hear about Maric being like Alistair, the less I want to.
I suppose I bought into the way Loghain lionized him. Had this picture of Maric as a truly inspirational leader. Alistair couldn't inspire water out of a glass.
I wouldn't compare Alistair to Maric, as the only thing similar to the both of them aside from blood, is that they both are somewhat witty. In DA:O Alistair lacks a backbone, he has to be forced kicking and screaming to do anything he doesn't agree with completely. Maric on the other hand starts as a boy and you watch him become a King through the many trials he overcomes, some he agrees with and some not so much. But Kings are men and you see that side of it as well, I just finished "The Stolen Throne" and "The Calling" and I would recommend them, as well as recommending not comparing Alistair to his father as it is like comparing apples and oranges IMO.
Also if you haven't you should check out the comics, as Alistair is much better in them, he is more assertive and a lot more mature.
On Topic,
As for why he hasn't married, in my opinion it's because he is a romantic type of person, he wouldn't get married out of practicality, he is the kind of guy that marries for love. Though after reading the comics I could see him possibly marrying out of duty to Fereldan.(he's like a different character almost)
Also in "The Calling" I remember Fiona stating that it isn't unheard of for wardens to father/give birth to children, it's just highly unlikely due to the effects of the taint, so it would be possible for Alistair to have an heir just not likely.
True, but Eamon is getting on in years and even abdicates as Arl for Teagan in some ending slides, although it's unclear how canon this is.
There is also the issue of Eamon having an heir. Connor is either dead or in the Circle Tower and even if Eamon does have a second child, it's eventually revealed that she is also a Mage. Since Mages cannot inherit titles according the law, this would leave Teagan as the next-in-line.
He abdicates the arling so he can act as an adviser to Alistair; Eamon being more politically savvy than Teagan, it wouldn't surprise me if he was using that time in the capital to strengthen his own claim should Alistair die heirless by making political alliances.
It's also a point that the laws surrounding mages and titles are in a state of flux with the mage rebellion going on. That really started in Ferelden, where it was possible for a mage to become Arl or even Teyrn at the end of Origins. Eamon could win major reformist points by putting forth a mage heir.
True, but Eamon is getting on in years and even abdicates as Arl for Teagan in some ending slides, although it's unclear how canon this is.
There is also the issue of Eamon having an heir. Connor is either dead or in the Circle Tower and even if Eamon does have a second child, it's eventually revealed that she is also a Mage. Since Mages cannot inherit titles according the law, this would leave Teagan as the next-in-line.
where does it say connor has a sister?! Ive seen this mentioned twice in posts and ive never seen anything related in terms of where it came from
where does it say connor has a sister?! Ive seen this mentioned twice in posts and ive never seen anything related in terms of where it came from
You get this in the epilogue if you kill Connor instead of going into the fade to kill the demon and free him.
You make a very good point. Anora doesn't remarry either if you put her as a sole ruler on the throne.
Sounds like its all for the sake of the plot
I agree. Anora doesn't remarry. Sounds like they really don't want an heir for the sake of the plot.
The simplest answer would be that they're saving him for the fangirls, not that there's anything wrong with that.
He abdicates the arling so he can act as an adviser to Alistair; Eamon being more politically savvy than Teagan, it wouldn't surprise me if he was using that time in the capital to strengthen his own claim should Alistair die heirless by making political alliances.
It's also a point that the laws surrounding mages and titles are in a state of flux with the mage rebellion going on. That really started in Ferelden, where it was possible for a mage to become Arl or even Teyrn at the end of Origins. Eamon could win major reformist points by putting forth a mage heir.
You raise some interesting points, every time I play Origins, Eamon comes across as more and more of a slippery son of a nug. I'm sure that his putting Alistair on the throne wasn't entirely because it wouldn't benefit him in some way.
I always assumed that with Amaranthine, their being granted the Arling was solely on the condition of being Warden-Commander of Ferelden. Being a Mage, Dwarf or Elf was considered inconsequential and that while I agree that it sets a precedent for all three to assume some degree of official power, the nobility only agreed because the moment that Warden-Commander stepped down or died, the title would pass onto their successor in the role, not their children. In that way, becoming Arl of Amaranthine became an elected role for Grey Wardens, much like how the Pope is chosen from a group of select bishops.
But maybe (and hopefully) Mages might be granted some freedoms or able to gain titles due to the unrest in Thedas. A Mage Hawke being given carte blanche by Meredith to remain free and part of the nobility, in exchange for serving the city as Champion of Kirkwall, is one example of a Mage being allowed this and not abusing that power.
Well, and this may just be in Kirkwall, but by act 3 of DA2 there seemed to be a general unrest among the nobility regarding the templars claiming too much power for themselves. This sentiment of nobility feeling that the chantry rules instead of them is echoed in The Masked Empire. So I wouldn't be surprised if it carried over to Ferelden, as well.
And while you can handwave the Arling of Amaranthine as a grey warden thing, the Teyrnir of Gwaren is entirely the Warden's own, independent from the organization.
I forgot you could also ask for the Teynir of Gwaren as a boon, I wonder how that went down if you happened to be an Elven Blood Mage? It's a shame that it was never mentioned how that transition went down in Awakening, since surely there'd be a few in Gwaren who'd want to rebel just as much as Howe's supporters in Amaranthine did?
I don't think we can say anything like Alistair/Anora never got married and they never had any children.
Epilogues-basically worth what you think they are. The mage epilogue might have some relevance because it dealt with the DA2 plot. The rest-I doubt they have much value.If we see the epilogues have more of a role later on, then I'll revisit that.
Same thing with the comics-I'll wait and see if it has any relevance to the ingame events. The search for Maric might have some relevance, or it might not.
Ingame events and the books before/between the games is really what I look at. I really think the royal marriages/succession issues are the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Bioware really isn't going to address them unless/until it has a viable role in the story they tell. My guess is they wait until the very end to address it.
I don't think we can say anything like Alistair/Anora never got married and they never had any children.
Epilogues-basically worth what you think they are. The mage epilogue might have some relevance because it dealt with the DA2 plot. The rest-I doubt they have much value.
Same thing with the comics-I'll wait and see if it has any relevance to the ingame events. The search for Maric might have some relevance, or it might not.
Ingame events and the books before/between the games is really what I look at. I really think the royal marriages/succession issues are the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Bioware really isn't going to address them unless/until it has a viable role in the story they tell. My guess is they wait until the very end to address it.
No one is saying Alistair and Anora never got married if you married them off.
What is being said is that, as far as we are aware, in saves where Alistair became king on his own without marrying either Anora or a FemCousland, he never got married to anyone else.
No one is saying Alistair and Anora never got married if you married them off.
What is being said is that, as far as we are aware, in saves where Alistair became king on his own without marrying either Anora or a FemCousland, he never got married to anyone else.
I was actually referring to the epilogue that says Anora never marries because no one else comes close to her father. Came out wrong though.
There might be no mention of it, but there's also no mention of Anora past the first act. No mention doesn't mean no wife for Alistair though.
Well if Anora becomes queen on her own I think her having never married Alistair is a pretty safe bet, considering he's either a drunken deserter, a warden, or a corpse.
Might have ended up marrying someone else, though.
You get this in the epilogue if you kill Connor instead of going into the fade to kill the demon and free him.
oh, i never killed him... even if he was annoying as hell.... wonder why i didnt do that?
He abdicates the arling so he can act as an adviser to Alistair; Eamon being more politically savvy than Teagan, it wouldn't surprise me if he was using that time in the capital to strengthen his own claim should Alistair die heirless by making political alliances.
It's also a point that the laws surrounding mages and titles are in a state of flux with the mage rebellion going on. That really started in Ferelden, where it was possible for a mage to become Arl or even Teyrn at the end of Origins. Eamon could win major reformist points by putting forth a mage heir.
Sounds logical and he would get my support if he did.
When Gaider said that Alistair didn't really love any female warden that was kind of hard to take. Alistair does want Leliana to come along if you tell her no and don't include her in your party.
From the comic books I got the impression he was having a fling with Isabella. The comics don't come out and say that, but towards the end with the Antivan Prince, he did tell Isabella to go after Alistair and to be happy. The final installation of the comics have him returning to Ferelden as King.
The more I play Awakenings and he comes to see my female warden and his queen I've gotten the impression you got dumped again especially if you are married to him. I got the impression he wants a queen warden out of his hair. Then his ball and chain comment in DA2. When you go to kiss him in Awakenings you can choose some fairly weird choices. Such as don't worry my husband I'll be fine without you!
I think if he is married to any female noble he isn't happy about it. Also you never get any communication from him (being his princess consort) at the Vigil, which I found surprising. You also go from being Queen to Princess Consort....why? Then during Anders quest the Templar who was with Alistair tries to kill you. Killing two birds with one stone!!?? Perhaps.
All I know he is was not very loving after you place that crown on his head. And he is so cold afterwards.
Well I've disappeared anyway so I must have gotten fed up with the whole situation. Shrugs shoulders here! LOL.
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