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[Lulupab]

Some Asunder spoilers incoming:

Well lets have a review of events. I personally really like Fiona's character developement. As a child she was physically and sexually abused then she killed her abuser with magic and was sent to circle. When she was of age she begged to join the grey warden to be rid of circle and the grey wardens accepted her. She accompanied Duncan and Riordan in many of their missions. Ducan addmitted that without Fiona's healing and offensive magic they would have died many times. She also had a relationship with king maric and gave birth to a child.

Somehow she was free of the taint, she was completely free but she left the wardens and went back to the circle. A place that she take a risk of dying (the joing) and fight drakspawn rather than being there. Her departure was largely driven by a desire to free her brethren under the yoke of the Templars. Then she does everything in her power to free the mages from the circle. At first she doesn't succeed and it causes the dissolution of the college of Enchanters. But after the events of Kirkwall and what Anders did, which caused mages all over the world to grew much more hostile towards the Templars, she attempted to free the mages one more time and this time she was succesful thanks to biggest mage fraternities Liberitarians and Aequitarians backing her up.

Fiona has oblitirated brood mothers and vanquished other strongest of darkspawn creatures. I think its safe to claim that she is one of the strongest unpossessed and normal mages. She is also very cunning and smart. If there is any sort of victory for the mages, Fiona will find it.

So what do you think of her role in DA:I? 

Modifié par Rassler, 02 février 2014 - 02:02 .

[LPPrince]

She's also Alistair's mom.

Potentially

Modifié par LPPrince, 02 février 2014 - 01:51 .

[The Elder King]

I think that the first time she tried to free the Circle happened after Anders' actions, not before.

[Rusty Sandusky]

 Fiona would make a great leader of the Mages



Just look at that fighting stance.

[superdeathdealer14]

So is this a pro-mage thread?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Only chuck norris or yor would help mages win as far im not impresed but i didn't read calling so i can't say much about her role there but i have finished asunder mages went on war thanks to adrian not fiona without it which forced most mages to fight she would just end like previously.

And i rly don't think that mages can win even if somehow they manage defeat templars (in what i doubt as they were crushed like bi*** before) rest of the thedas won't wait calmly when mages will create second tevinter empire because we shouldn't even pretend that will end differently.

First she is mage
Second she is elf
=powerful combination for haters

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 02 février 2014 - 02:00 .

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

I think that the first time she tried to free the Circle happened after Anders' actions, not before.

I actually thought of this but I couldn't confirm it. They happened in a very close time scale, the same year I think. So the news of Kirkwall actually took some time to spread. I might be wrong though.

[Veruin]

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

So is this a pro-mage thread?

No.  It's pro-crazy mage.

[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

I think that the first time she tried to free the Circle happened after Anders' actions, not before.

I actually thought of this but I couldn't confirm it. They happened in a very close time scale, the same year I think. So the news of Kirkwall actually took some time to spread. I might be wrong though.

I think the book stated that Fiona was elected after Act 3. The timeline of the Dragon Age in the wikia confirms this, but I don't know if it's confirmed.

[Lulupab]

Veruin wrote...

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

So is this a pro-mage thread?

No.  It's pro-crazy mage.

Fiona IS the mage rebelion. I don't see how she is crazy. She is fighting for what she believes in. She is not any more crazy that Lambert or anyone in this war.

[superdeathdealer14]

Veruin wrote...

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

So is this a pro-mage thread?

No.  It's pro-crazy mage.

Damn, I should've known.

Modifié par superdeathdealer14, 02 février 2014 - 02:26 .

[Wothen]

0 pro-templar threads
3000 pro-mage threads

Oh man bioware made such a good job in making both sides look grey in their games

[Veruin]

Wothen wrote...

0 pro-templar threads
3000 pro-mage threads

Oh man bioware made such a good job in making both sides look grey in their games

Oh there are pro templar threads.  It's just there's a noticeable difference between the amout of crazy pro templars and crazy pro mages .  They end up getting them locked because a lot of them post stupid bull---- to get it locked/deleted.

Modifié par Veruin, 02 février 2014 - 02:28 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Wothen wrote...

0 pro-templar threads
3000 pro-mage threads

Oh man bioware made such a good job in making both sides look grey in their games

They made both black still templars are lighter sade of black comparing to mages...

Besides there is a little argument to side with mages beyond just plaing nuts or being naive... i mean most problems that thedas have is caused by mages...

[Veruin]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

They made both black still templars are lighter sade of black comparing to mages...

Besides there is a little argument to side with mages beyond just plaing nuts or being naive... i mean most problems that thedas have is caused by mages...

I know it's pointless, but, no, they're not.

[Hellion Rex]

Oi vei.

[superdeathdealer14]

eluvianix wrote...

Oi vei.

As a Jew I must correct you, it's actually: Oy vey, unless you meant something else.

[Hellion Rex]

superdeathdealer14 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Oi vei.

As a Jew I must correct you, it's actually: Oy vey, unless you meant something else.

Mea culpa. Apologies. 

[MisterJB]

So, your reasons for believing Fiona is the leader mages need are:

a) She is magically powerful. Which is hardly a characteristic a leader needs.

She is "cunning".
Right, so far, the height of her cunning was asking a dozen mages if they wished to secede while they were in a Circle surrounded by hundreds of Templars.

...

You know? Yes, Fiona for leader of the mages.

Modifié par MisterJB, 02 février 2014 - 03:17 .

[Knight of Dane]

I hope the mages get a leader that is less spechul

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

So, your reasons for believing Fiona is the leader mages need are:

a) She is magically powerful. Which is hardly a characteristic a leader needs.

She is "cunning".
Right, so far, the height of her cunning was asking a dozen mages if they wished to secede while they were in a Circle surrounded by hundreds of Templars.

...

You know? Yes, Fiona for leader of the mages.

Fiona is like a better version of Anders. She didn't need a spirit to convince her mages need help and she actually made Anders' act (if alive) or sacrifice (if dead) mean something (I know she somewhat disagrees but she uses the act perfectly to achieve her goal) and knew exactly when and where to strike to mean a perfect difference. Her ruthlessness matches those Templars who wish to drive the magers under their chains again. Lets be honest here, she was quite successful so far. There is a very high chance that Templar who break away from chantry get cerberus treatment where the Templars and seekers like Cassandra who remained loyal be the "good Templars" who will participate in any peace solution the game offers.

Modifié par Rassler, 02 février 2014 - 03:40 .

[duckley]

Rassler wrote...

Some Asunder spoilers incoming:

Well lets have a review of events. I personally really like Fiona's character developement. As a child she was physically and sexually abused then she killed her abuser with magic and was sent to circle. When she was of age she begged to join the grey warden to be rid of circle and the grey wardens accepted her. She accompanied Duncan and Riordan in many of their missions. Ducan addmitted that without Fiona's healing and offensive magic they would have died many times. She also had a relationship with king maric and gave birth to a child.

Somehow she was free of the taint, she was completely free but she left the wardens and went back to the circle. A place that she take a risk of dying (the joing) and fight drakspawn rather than being there. Her departure was largely driven by a desire to free her brethren under the yoke of the Templars. Then she does everything in her power to free the mages from the circle. At first she doesn't succeed and it causes the dissolution of the college of Enchanters. But after the events of Kirkwall and what Anders did, which caused mages all over the world to grew much more hostile towards the Templars, she attempted to free the mages one more time and this time she was succesful thanks to biggest mage fraternities Liberitarians and Aequitarians backing her up.

Fiona has oblitirated brood mothers and vanquished other strongest of darkspawn creatures. I think its safe to claim that she is one of the strongest unpossessed and normal mages. She is also very cunning and smart. If there is any sort of victory for the mages, Fiona will find it.

So what do you think of her role in DA:I? 

I have a few questions OP - not sure you know the answer

In Asunder, did you get the feeling that there was there a chance for a more peaceful movement towards Mage "freedom"?
What was Wynne and Leliana's point of view regarding the Devine, and was this imparted to Fiona?
Was  the Devine not a potential ally who could change the manner in which Mages were treated? Did the fraternities know this?
Why did that Mage in Asunder try to kill the Devine?
Is Fiona a bit Anders-like in her zeal?

Thanks

[AresKeith]

Oh look

[The Elder King]

@Rassler: what MisterJB is saying is that it wasn't smart to ask for the separation when they were surrounded by templars. And Fiona's 'success' was heavily based on Adrian's actions. Without Adrian I doubt that the conflict would've started, and the mages wouldn't have separated.

[MisterJB]

No, Fiona didn't "know precisely where and when to strike". She tried to convince a dozen of mages who were surrounded by hundred of Templars that they should, somehow, stand up against them.
First, the situation itself would help dissuade most mages from rebelling in the first place and even if they had, there was nothing they could do because they were ridiculously outnumbered.

The only reason there is a rebellion is because of Adrian and Lambert. And the only reason that rebellion didn't die right then and there on the White Spire was because of Wynne, Evangeline and the Divine.

So far, Fiona has shown to have the cunning the Maker has granted a goose. If you want her as your faction's leader, be my guest.