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[DKJaigen]

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...
He thinks war with Templars is wrong when the only reason for war is change yet he suggests changes? We both know Templars would not change under any circumstance. During a thousand year they have made it worse and worse for the mages. 

Are we getting back the the double standard of "generalize all Templars, but don't do it to mages"?

That is not a double standard. templars share a common political and ideological view while mages are simply born as mages and currently share 6 distinct political  views. And i can and will blame all templars for the current mess the thedas is in currently.

[DKJaigen]

MisterJB wrote...

Rassler wrote...
Please, I wouldn't go and dig others post even if it was an order from god itself. 

You cannot hate someone you don't know and the only known mage you didn't hate so far is Wynne. I've seen you hate all the other mages known to us. Though after events of Asunder I suspect you like Wynne much less.

So, you accuse me of something and when I ask for your evidence, you refuse to present it.
Right...

First, you can definitely hate someone you don't know. There are tons of groups out there that hate groups of people in general despite not knowing every single person in said group.

Second, I'd ask you for evidence that the only mage I don't hate is Wynne but I already know you won't present it.
So, I'll just say there are more mages that I don't hate than those that I do hate. Would it surprise you to know that my favorite character is Morrigan and that my Canon Warden had her as an LI and performed the Dark Ritual?

But you do show some concern that mages will dominate the mundanes. that the mundanes become second class citizens. it is my opnion irrelevant  because humans are not created equal in real either and intelligent will rule over those who are not intelligent. thats the fact of live.

[spirosz]

DKJaigen wrote...
That is not a double standard. templars share a common political and ideological view while mages are simply born as mages and currently share 6 distinct political  views. And i can and will blame all templars for the current mess the thedas is in currently.

Yes because the Templars are the only ones to go extreme levels.  

[Volus Warlord]

DKJaigen wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...
He thinks war with Templars is wrong when the only reason for war is change yet he suggests changes? We both know Templars would not change under any circumstance. During a thousand year they have made it worse and worse for the mages. 

Are we getting back the the double standard of "generalize all Templars, but don't do it to mages"?

That is not a double standard. templars share a common political and ideological view while mages are simply born as mages and currently share 6 distinct political  views. And i can and will blame all templars for the current mess the thedas is in currently.

:pinched:

You're so funny.

[Veruin]

DKJaigen wrote...

That is not a double standard. templars share a common political and ideological view while mages are simply born as mages and currently share 6 distinct political  views. And i can and will blame all templars for the current mess the thedas is in currently.

The funniest part about this post is that it has nothing to do with what I said.

[Br3admax]

DKJaigen wrote...

But you do show some concern that mages will dominate the mundanes. that the mundanes become second class citizens. it is my opnion irrelevant  because humans are not created equal in real either and intelligent will rule over those who are not intelligent. thats the fact of live.

I would like to turn in my pro-mage card now. I tried, I really did, but I just can't do this anymore. 

[Billy-the-Squid]

DKJaigen wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...
He thinks war with Templars is wrong when the only reason for war is change yet he suggests changes? We both know Templars would not change under any circumstance. During a thousand year they have made it worse and worse for the mages. 

Are we getting back the the double standard of "generalize all Templars, but don't do it to mages"?

That is not a double standard. templars share a common political and ideological view while mages are simply born as mages and currently share 6 distinct political  views. And i can and will blame all templars for the current mess the thedas is in currently.

Hold on to your skirts Gentlemen, here we go.

[Veruin]

Br3ad wrote...
I would like to turn in my pro-mage card now. I tried, I really did, but I just can't do this anymore. 

Are you sure?  Two more hole punches and you get a cheesesteak!

Modifié par Veruin, 02 février 2014 - 10:29 .

[Rotward]

Nope. If she didn't even make it into the games, she's not worth anything.

[wsandista]

Druids are better than mages.

[Dave of Canada]

wsandista wrote...

Druids are better than mages.

Celtic priests are mundanes and thus inherently superior to mages.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 02 février 2014 - 10:42 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Rassler wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...
He thinks war with Templars is wrong when the only reason for war is change yet he suggests changes? We both know Templars would not change under any circumstance. During a thousand year they have made it worse and worse for the mages. 

Are we getting back the the double standard of "generalize all Templars, but don't do it to mages"?

Not generalize. The condition of cirlces has been getting worse duirng the thousand year of Templar rule. This is a fact. Circles were much better at the beginning. So either the majority of Templars or some of their leaders applied harsher methods and the potentional good ones who came after did not revert them.

Heres another fact for you cheiffy. Templars haven't been running th circles for a thousand years. I dont think the chantry circles have been around that long. The imperial circles of old would probably be a thousand years of at least, but the two are vastly different and so comparing the two would be disingenuous. 

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Br3ad wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

But you do show some concern that mages will dominate the mundanes. that the mundanes become second class citizens. it is my opnion irrelevant  because humans are not created equal in real either and intelligent will rule over those who are not intelligent. thats the fact of live.

I would like to turn in my pro-mage card now. I tried, I really did, but I just can't do this anymore. 

Goddammit DJ, This the kind of based **** people talk about son.

[OdanUrr]

What's Fury One?

[Silfren]

wsandista wrote...

Druids are better than mages.

Yes they are.  But Aes Sedai are better than both!

[Hellion Rex]

Silfren wrote...

wsandista wrote...

Druids are better than mages.

Yes they are.  But Aes Sedai are better than both!

I hated that book series..

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Psionic > Magic

[The Hierophant]

Silfren wrote...

Yes they are.  But Aes Sedai are better than both!

Meh. Morraine, Verin, Nynaeve, Cadsuane, and Siuan are the only worthwhile Sedai. The rest are just ugh.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 02 février 2014 - 11:08 .

[leaguer of one]

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@leaguer of one: he was joking. I stated in this very thread that I'd burn Fiona and Adrian. That doesn't mean I'd do it, and I'm neutral on the mage-templar scale.

Oh you were joking?

I was quite serious.

I'm neutral and I would definitly kill Adrian

I'm still debating on Fiona

I would help kill Adrian.

[leaguer of one]

DKJaigen wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...
He thinks war with Templars is wrong when the only reason for war is change yet he suggests changes? We both know Templars would not change under any circumstance. During a thousand year they have made it worse and worse for the mages. 

Are we getting back the the double standard of "generalize all Templars, but don't do it to mages"?

That is not a double standard. templars share a common political and ideological view while mages are simply born as mages and currently share 6 distinct political  views. And i can and will blame all templars for the current mess the thedas is in currently.

I'm going to say this one more time...Mages and templars have to work TOGETHER!!!!!!

How is that going to happen if you have a mindset like that?

[wsandista]

Silfren wrote...

Yes they are.  But Aes Sedai are better than both!

Paladins > All other classes > Mages.

[Lulupab]

wsandista wrote...

Silfren wrote...

Yes they are.  But Aes Sedai are better than both!

Paladins > All other classes > Mages.

Basically Paladins use magic.

[Banxey]

 I read this whole thread. Instead of making a giant quote-filled post I'm just going to make a list. 

1. Fiona isn't the leader of the mages. She's may be a president of sorts, but she is still controlled by a democracy. 

2. I like Fiona, and I can empathise with her. But her rage makes her a bad choice to be in charge of anything. 

3. I blame Adrian for my video game Grandma #1 - Wynne's death. So I hate her.

4. Not all apostates are Malificar. Some are capable of living outside of the circle within Andrastan laws while policing themselves (Mages Collective).

5. Kirkwall and DA2 are a special case, so the increased abomination activity there is shaky ground to argue on. "The mages of Kirkwall have a more troubled history than those in other Circles. A greater percentage of them do not survive the Harrowing, and a greater percentage turn to blood magic—almost double that of Starkhaven or Ostwick."

6. Dairsmuid was essentially out of Chantry control, it is also the capital of Rivain. Yet you never heard of them having any problem until a bunch of Templars decided to kill them all.

7. I am not Anti-Circle, Anti-Chantry or Anti-Templar, but think they're all partially to blame. Corruption by power doesn't seem to be limited to mages. But..

8. Justinia V said it best: “..The Chant of Light says, ‘Magic exists to serve mankind, and not to rule over him.’ And so it has been. The mages have served us well, in many wars over many centuries, yet in times of peace how well have we served them? We mean them no harm, yet have we not harmed them even so?”

9. Telling a group of adults that you don't trust them to police themselves within their own home is kind of ridiculous. I realise there needs to be some form of cooperation between the Templars, Chantry, and Circle. But I don't believe they need to be watched over 24/7 by armed men in plate. 

Modifié par Banxey2, 03 février 2014 - 12:06 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

hhh89 wrote...

I agree with Veruin, MisterJB, eluvianix and league of one. The Circle system needs changes, but the templars have to stay in the tower.

Hey, I said they needed to as well, but no more than how a city guard patrols the streets of their city.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 03 février 2014 - 01:18 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I like how you immediately assume that the mages will immediately want to turn the tables and encroach on people's freedoms like their's were. Some will, definitely, but as a whole, no. They'd realize that creating a second Tevinter would justify every fear people had of them.

Wanting something more is part of human nature and that will be in mages cases first freedom then position and then im better than you so i should rule who will stop me if i can mind control... And as far we already had plenty candidates on magisters... and thats all is required. 

"They'd realize that creating a second Tevinter would justify every fear people had of them."

Pretty much same we could say about blood magic and yet...

While true, another part of human nature is self-preservation. If you were a mage and wanted to create Second Tevinter, you would be hunted down for it. Remember, the mage-hunting Templars still exist and the majority of mages do not like the few who want what you think they want.

As for the Blood Magic, you mean the school of magic even the Circle forbids studying and if you are caught doing so you are killed or turned Tranquil?