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[Lulupab]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

You remind me of someone. A certain lord who used to frequent these parts a lot.

I hated him.

Hating someone just because they like Anders and Justice is wrong on so many levels.

[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

You remind me of someone. A certain lord who used to frequent these parts a lot.

I hated him.

Hating someone just because they like Anders and Justice is wrong on so many levels.

He didn't say that he hated him because of Anders and Justice. He said that he hated him and that you remind him because of your love for Anders and Justice. He didn't specify why he hated him.
By the way, as far as I know Lord Raijin is still here.

[Veruin]

Rassler wrote...

Hating someone just because they like Anders and Justice is wrong on so many levels.

That's not why people hated him/found him annoying.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Rassler wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

You remind me of someone. A certain lord who used to frequent these parts a lot.

I hated him.

Hating someone just because they like Anders and Justice is wrong on so many levels.

No, it wasn't that. They would spam screencaps in threads, make inaccurate statements about Templars and mages to try and make the mages seem like innocent children and Templars the abusive child molesters, and then make death threats/called people genocide accomplishes and rapists if they didn't side with mages. Also there was the whole debacle where they claimed mages were no different from the jews and political prisoners of Germany and Russia were the same as the mage/Templar conflict and wouldn't counter anyones points against him before he just made another statement like that, again.

He really was a douche tbh, and you remind me of him.

Modifié par The Flying Grey Warden, 03 février 2014 - 07:22 .

[Lulupab]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Rassler wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

You remind me of someone. A certain lord who used to frequent these parts a lot.

I hated him.

Hating someone just because they like Anders and Justice is wrong on so many levels.

No, it wasn't that. They would spam screencaps in threads, make inaccurate statements about Templars and mages to try and make the mages seem like innocent children and Templars the abusive child molesters, and then make death threats/called people genocide accomplishes and rapists if they didn't side with mages. Also there was the whole debacle where they claimed mages were no different from the jews and political prisoners of Germany and Russia were the same as the mage/Templar conflict and wouldn't counter anyones points against him before he just made another statement like that, again.

He really was a douche tbh, and you remind me of him.

I am pro Anders first before being pro anything. That being said killing blood mages and evil mages in general made me as happy as killing bad Templars, so there is that.

Karras however was indeed evil. Wasn't he the one who abused Alain? Knowing this I allowed him to live but he called mages "robes". That was too much.

Also I have never tried to do the stuff you mentioned about Jews and rapists etc... Templars have failed, and of course this doesn't mean all of them are evil but they need a good spanking nonetheless. They need to care more about who they recruit because evil people can indeed join the Templars. The only requirement for being a Templar is being able to fight, nothing more. 

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Rassler wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Rassler wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

You remind me of someone. A certain lord who used to frequent these parts a lot.

I hated him.

Hating someone just because they like Anders and Justice is wrong on so many levels.

No, it wasn't that. They would spam screencaps in threads, make inaccurate statements about Templars and mages to try and make the mages seem like innocent children and Templars the abusive child molesters, and then make death threats/called people genocide accomplishes and rapists if they didn't side with mages. Also there was the whole debacle where they claimed mages were no different from the jews and political prisoners of Germany and Russia were the same as the mage/Templar conflict and wouldn't counter anyones points against him before he just made another statement like that, again.

He really was a douche tbh, and you remind me of him.

I am pro Anders first before being pro anything. That being said killing blood mages and evil mages in general made me as happy as killing bad Templars, so there is that.

Karras however was indeed evil. Wasn't he the one who abused Alain? Knowing this I allowed him to live but he called mages "robes". That was too much.

Also I have never tried to do the stuff you mentioned about Jews and rapists etc... Templars have failed, and of course this doesn't mean all of them are evil but they need a good spanking nonetheless. They need to care more about who they recruit because evil people can indeed join the Templars. The only requirement for being a Templar is being able to fight, nothing more. 

It really was the screencap posting, something he was notorious for doing. I had to do a double take to see if your avi/username wasn't his. But yeah, he legitimately made a huge ass post talking about a concentration camp survivors story and saying how it was the same as blood mages struggle against the circle and chantry. Also said terrorism was good if it was against the chantry or the priests, and that blowing up chantrys was morally required to be a good person and that all blood magic was justified and morally correct. If you ever find yourself drifting too close to the dark side, just remember, nobody likes this guy and that's not a good thing.

Anyway, good luck with whatever you do. I'll be here in the middle/muggle leaning side of things. I think everything would be fixed with some simple standardization and more rigorous oversight.

[Lulupab]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

It really was the screencap posting, something he was notorious for doing. I had to do a double take to see if your avi/username wasn't his. But yeah, he legitimately made a huge ass post talking about a concentration camp survivors story and saying how it was the same as blood mages struggle against the circle and chantry. Also said terrorism was good if it was against the chantry or the priests, and that blowing up chantrys was morally required to be a good person and that all blood magic was justified and morally correct. If you ever find yourself drifting too close to the dark side, just remember, nobody likes this guy and that's not a good thing.

Anyway, good luck with whatever you do. I'll be here in the middle/muggle leaning side of things. I think everything would be fixed with some simple standardization and more rigorous oversight.

I have more than dozen times acknowledged how gray Anders is and never defended him as a saint. I liked him very much because as a girl I found him attractive and recognized him as a troubled man. Despite his actions he really loves hawke if romanced and there is still much of humanity in him, even he recognizes his crime and is willing to pay for it. Backstabbing him was not the way to fix things. He actually talks like Awakening Anders at the end of the game before fighting Meredith. This sudden change of attitude in Anders made me think we will hear more of him in Inquisition if he is alive that is.

[AresKeith]

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Hating someone just because they like Anders and Justice is wrong on so many levels.

That's not why people hated him/found him annoying.

That reminded me of the Anders/Carver banter 

[Mr.House]

Isn't that Anders/Justice screenshot when he is about to kill that innocent girl?

[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

Isn't that Anders/Justice screenshot when he is about to kill that innocent girl?

I think it was from the beginning of the fight, right before combat begins.

[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Isn't that Anders/Justice screenshot when he is about to kill that innocent girl?

I think it was from the beginning of the fight, right before combat begins.

So like I said? Since he tries to kill her right aftert he fight.

[Lulupab]

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Isn't that Anders/Justice screenshot when he is about to kill that innocent girl?

I think it was from the beginning of the fight, right before combat begins.

So like I said? Since he tries to kill her right aftert he fight.

Not defending Anders really but we should remember that Justice was in full control and it was really foolish of Ella to shout "get away from me demon". If he was really a demon, should you really anger him further? 

[Mr.House]

Rassler wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Isn't that Anders/Justice screenshot when he is about to kill that innocent girl?

I think it was from the beginning of the fight, right before combat begins.

So like I said? Since he tries to kill her right aftert he fight.

Not defending Anders really but we should remember that Justice was in full control and it was really foolish of Ella to shout "get away from me demon". If he was really a demon, should you really anger him further? 

How was she foolish? She is looking at a mage with fglowing eyes, glowing veins and has a loud booming demonic vocie. To anyone who does not know Anders, it IS demon.

[HiroVoid]

Rassler wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Isn't that Anders/Justice screenshot when he is about to kill that innocent girl?

I think it was from the beginning of the fight, right before combat begins.

So like I said? Since he tries to kill her right aftert he fight.

Not defending Anders really but we should remember that Justice was in full control and it was really foolish of Ella to shout "get away from me demon". If he was really a demon, should you really anger him further? 

Victim blaming Rassler?  Really?

....But yes, it was just an emotional reaction to what Anders was.

[Lulupab]

Mr.House wrote...

How was she foolish? She is looking at a mage with fglowing eyes, glowing veins and has a loud booming demonic vocie. To anyone who does not know Anders, it IS demon.

She could have just ran or said thank you to Hawke. I'm not blaming Ella, thats just ridiculous thing to do but she did at least provoke him a little bit.

Also please refrain from shoving your view point as fact. Audacity is a demon, Justice is not. The best term right now is former spirit. Together Anders and Justice have formed a gray personality. Until confirmed by devs, Justice is not a demon. He simply does not match any demon's personality aka he does not want to kill everyone in sight, he does not plot to gain more power, he does not create more abomination etc. According to very definition of demon and abomination in Thedas Anders and justice are neither. He is very much like Loghain in his grayness.

[The Elder King]

Ella's reaction was normal, expecially considering her emotional state (she was already terrified of nearly becoming a tranquil). It's not her fault Ander wasn't able to keep his demon in check, and that Justice/Vengeance was completely insane. No matter her reaction, it was about to kill one o the people it wanted to avenge.

[AresKeith]

*claims to not be blaming Ella, but calls her foolish*

Yea ok

[The Elder King]

@Rassler: Anders himself called it a demon, both in the game and in the short story.

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

How was she foolish? She is looking at a mage with fglowing eyes, glowing veins and has a loud booming demonic vocie. To anyone who does not know Anders, it IS demon.

She could have just ran or said thank you to Hawke. I'm not blaming Ella, thats just ridiculous thing to do but she did at least provoke him a little bit.

Also please refrain from shoving your view point as fact. Audacity is a demon, Justice is not. The best term right now is former spirit. Together Anders and Justice have formed a gray personality. Until confirmed by devs, Justice is not a demon. He simply does not match any demon's personality aka he does not want to kill everyone in sight, he does not plot to gain more power, he does not create more abomination etc. According to very definition of demon and abomination in Thedas Anders and justice are neither. He is very much like Loghain in his grayness.

She was backed in a corner, scared to death. You have got to be sh*tting me, Rassler. When you are faced with what looks like a demon, you don't move, because Vengeance could tear her apart, or interpret her attempt at running as something more malevolent.

[Lulupab]

AresKeith wrote...

*claims to not be blaming Ella, but calls her foolish*

Yea ok

The reaction was foolish, she was not. Justice just killed a dozen of templars right in front of her, she can see that he is VERY ANGRY. That was not the best reaction and was provoking, especially the fact that Anders had lost control was the important factor here. Is it really wise to provoke someone who has lost control?

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

*claims to not be blaming Ella, but calls her foolish*

Yea ok

The reaction was foolish, she was not. Justice just killed a dozen of templars right in front of her, she can see that he is VERY ANGRY. That was not the best reaction and was provoking, especially the fact that Anders had lost control was the important factor here. Is it really wise to provoke someone who has lost control?

And what better way to provoke a corrupted spirit/demon/whatever the hell you want to call Vengeance than to try running away from him?

[dragonflight288]

hhh89 wrote...

@dragonflight288: I forgot to talk about Fiona. My point was that the Warden asked for the Circle to be free in different condition and in a relatively safe way for the mages, while Fiona demanded i a situation of tension and she put the mages of the conclave in danger. Though I think that without Adrian's actions it wouldn't have come to conflict. I think Wynne would've resolved the situation.

I think she would've as well. Like I said, Fiona was loud and I don't really like her that much, but she was the Chair, and she did have the right to put it on the table. And I also think Wynne would've resolved it without conflict, had not Adrian framed Rhys for murder and Lambert used it as an excuse to cancel the whole meeting, outright declared he had no intention of following the Divine's commands, and ordered an attack.

It was a tense and complicated situation, but I blame Lambert's fanaticism more than I do Fiona's hot-headedness. But she does share some blame too. 

As for your point on dwarves that as in another post that I haven't responded to yet, I think the dwarves might be willing to learn templar talents if there was a Circle in Orzammar, for their own security as well as a way to deal with Emissaries, which is a real constant danger on the front lines of the Deep Roads.

And yes, I know some people say that if there was a circle in Orzammar, they would be Exalted Marched. My response is to chuckle becase at present the Chantry is in no position to Exalted March anybody. 

Just a thought.

[General TSAR]

Don't you understand people? Anders and Vengeance can do no wrong.

[AresKeith]

Anders fanboyism is a dangerous thing

Anyway: Fiona is a terrible choice for leadership

[LobselVith8]

Funny, I could have sworn this was a thread about Fiona...