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[spirosz]

Rassler wrote...
Is it really wise to provoke someone who has lost control?

Is it really wise to become a host for a spirit in the first place?  

[Hellion Rex]

spirosz wrote...

Rassler wrote...
Is it really wise to provoke someone who has lost control?

Is it really wise to become a host for a spirit in the first place?  

Not really, except for Wynne, who didn't have much choice.

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: Anders himself called it a demon, both in the game and in the short story.

No. Anders does not call Justice a demon in short story. Did you check it before posting this? I did. He just mentions this is not my friend Justice.

Also he does not call justice a demon in game. Anders says he has become the very reason mages should not be free. The word "demon" was not used once again in reference to himself. or Justice.

Modifié par Rassler, 03 février 2014 - 08:29 .

[Lulupab]

Ah I just remembered something that will end this discussion and enable us to go back to Fiona topic. The demon in the fade acknowledges the fact that Justice is a spirit not a demon. You'd think a demon would recognize its own kind.

[spirosz]

Justice is like a doubled bladed sword.

Anders is the handle.

Modifié par spirosz, 03 février 2014 - 08:33 .

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

Ah I just remembered something that will end this discussion and enable us to go back to Fiona topic. The demon in the fade acknowledges the fact that Justice is a spirit not a demon. You'd think a demon would recognize its own kind.

Well, technically all demons are spirits too lol, so at this point, we are debating semantics.

[Lulupab]

spirosz wrote...

Justice is like a doubled bladed sword.

Anders is the handle.

Couldn't have made a better reference myself 

[LobselVith8]

Rassler wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: Anders himself called it a demon, both in the game and in the short story.

No. Anders does not call Justice a demon in short story. Did you check it before posting this? I did. He just mentions this is not my friend Justice.

The short story where Anders became an invincible cannibal, and where the narrative acted as though a mage had never before become a Grey Warden? There are too many things with the short story that simply make little to no sense for me to take it seriously.

Given Greagoir publicly capitulating to the new ruler's decree that the Circle of Ferelden should be given it's freedom (in the US Ending), I doubt he would push the issue of Anders becoming a Grey Warden. And I highly doubt a pro-mage Warden-Commander would acqquiese to allowing a templar spy into their midst.

That said, I wonder how the (attempted) Magi Boon might influence Thedas post-Circle emancipation. Perhaps Fiona might be leading some mages in the nation.

Rassler wrote...

Also he does not call justice a demon in game. Anders says he has become the very reason mages should not be free. The word "demon" was not used once again in reference to himself. 

The kingdom of Rivain might be an opportune place for Anders to go to better understand his symbiosis with Justice, given the tradition of seers communing and bonding with spirits for over a millennia.

[Silfren]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Ah I just remembered something that will end this discussion and enable us to go back to Fiona topic. The demon in the fade acknowledges the fact that Justice is a spirit not a demon. You'd think a demon would recognize its own kind.

Well, technically all demons are spirits too lol, so at this point, we are debating semantics.

Yeah, and I think it needs to be considered that what demons and spirits think of themselves probably is significantly different from what the Chantry teaches.  There needs to be some recognition that there may well be a disconnect between what is generally THOUGHT to be true and what is factually true.

Modifié par Silfren, 03 février 2014 - 08:37 .

[The Baconer]

I think the mages will probably need a military leader. For all their talk and magical prowess I doubt Adrian or Fiona know how to wage war.

[Lulupab]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Ah I just remembered something that will end this discussion and enable us to go back to Fiona topic. The demon in the fade acknowledges the fact that Justice is a spirit not a demon. You'd think a demon would recognize its own kind.

Well, technically all demons are spirits too lol, so at this point, we are debating semantics.

Well that has never happened before. The term spirit has always been used for "good spirits" and demons for "evil spirits. Since it has never happened before its quite safe to assume its correct. So semantics and ingame codex suggests demons were spirits, they are no longer one. But in truth yes Demons are some kind of spirits but are no longer called spirits by anyone in Thedas anymore.

If Justice was a demon, Torpor, the other demon would have called him a demon instead of spirit. To be exact he called him tiresome little spirit.

[Hellion Rex]

LobselVith8 wrote...

That said, I wonder how the (attempted) Magi Boon might influence Thedas post-Circle emancipation. Perhaps Fiona might be leading some mages in the nation.

Well, the Magi Boon backfired did it not, with the Divine contemplating another "Exalted March". I doubt Fiona would lead the mages in Ferelden though. If she was smart, she would deal with Mage politics in Val Royeaux, post MT War, since she's gonna have to work closely with Justinia to make sure mages don't get steam rolled. That being said, I would rather have an Aequitarian like Rhys or someone like Wynne, to help reconstitute magical policy in Thedas.

[Mr.House]

The Baconer wrote...

I think the mages will probably need a military leader. For all their talk and magical prowess I doubt Adrian or Fiona know how to wage war.

The hallway part from DA2 comes to mind.

[Hellion Rex]

Mr.House wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

I think the mages will probably need a military leader. For all their talk and magical prowess I doubt Adrian or Fiona know how to wage war.

The hallway part from DA2 comes to mind.

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[Mr.House]

eluvianix wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

The Baconer wrote...

I think the mages will probably need a military leader. For all their talk and magical prowess I doubt Adrian or Fiona know how to wage war.

The hallway part from DA2 comes to mind.

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When the templars come into the Gallows during the battle, a bunch of mages just stay in a long hallway, not using magic and backing up slowly. All the mages in that hallway die.

[Veruin]

Mr.House wrote...
When the templars come into the Gallows during the battle, a bunch of mages just stay in a long hallway, not using magic and backing up slowly. All the mages in that hallway die.

The sad part is you can't even justify it by saying their magic was neutralized, since a few of them did end up doing spells.

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
When the templars come into the Gallows during the battle, a bunch of mages just stay in a long hallway, not using magic and backing up slowly. All the mages in that hallway die.

The sad part is you can't even justify it by saying their magic was neutralized, since a few of them did end up doing spells.

I felt bad for some of those mages, who didn't even try to defend themselves. The Battle in the Gallows was a mess, pure and simple. So much needless death, on both sides.

[Br3admax]

Veruin wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
When the templars come into the Gallows during the battle, a bunch of mages just stay in a long hallway, not using magic and backing up slowly. All the mages in that hallway die.

The sad part is you can't even justify it by saying their magic was neutralized, since a few of them did end up doing spells.

I'm not saying that it was Hawke's fault, I'm just sayig that this was DA ][. 

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Ah I just remembered something that will end this discussion and enable us to go back to Fiona topic. The demon in the fade acknowledges the fact that Justice is a spirit not a demon. You'd think a demon would recognize its own kind.

Well, technically all demons are spirits too lol, so at this point, we are debating semantics.

Well that has never happened before. The term spirit has always been used for "good spirits" and demons for "evil spirits. Since it has never happened before its quite safe to assume its correct. So semantics and ingame codex suggests demons were spirits, they are no longer one. But in truth yes Demons are some kind of spirits but are no longer called spirits by anyone in Thedas anymore.

The Dalish do, like Merrill. She said it best, "There is no such thing as a good spirit. There never was."

[GreyLycanTrope]

People dislike characters who blow up buildings filled with people without warning? What a novel concept.

[Lulupab]

But guys as grand enchanter Fiona is default leader of mage rebellion. Unless this changes some time in the game, until then Fiona is leading the war. I did not make this thread to suggest make her the leader because she is already the leader with first enchanter Adrian and senior enchanter Rhys as 2nd in commands, probably.

[Mr.House]

Rassler wrote...

But guys as grand enchanter Fiona is default leader of mage rebellion. Unless this changes some time in the game, until then Fiona is leading the war. I did not make this thread to suggest make her the leader because she is already the leader with first enchanter Adrian and senior enchanter Rhys as 2nd in commands, probably.

It does not matter what her title is, the leader should go to the person who deserves it. Fiona and Adrian are bloodthirsty idiots.

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

But guys as grand enchanter Fiona is default leader of mage rebellion. Unless this changes some time in the game, until then Fiona is leading the war. I did not make this thread to suggest make her the leader because she is already the leader with first enchanter Adrian and senior enchanter Rhys as 2nd in commands, probably.

Not necessarily. She still needed a collective vote to get the ball rolling at Asunder's end. If she runs the show alone, she's gonna lead them to death pretty quickly. It ought to be run similar to the vote, with the Fraternity collectively coming to make a decision.

[Lulupab]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Ah I just remembered something that will end this discussion and enable us to go back to Fiona topic. The demon in the fade acknowledges the fact that Justice is a spirit not a demon. You'd think a demon would recognize its own kind.

Well, technically all demons are spirits too lol, so at this point, we are debating semantics.

Well that has never happened before. The term spirit has always been used for "good spirits" and demons for "evil spirits. Since it has never happened before its quite safe to assume its correct. So semantics and ingame codex suggests demons were spirits, they are no longer one. But in truth yes Demons are some kind of spirits but are no longer called spirits by anyone in Thedas anymore.

The Dalish do, like Merrill. She said it best, "There is no such thing as a good spirit. There never was."

The Demons and humans don't which are the group present in the fade and since we are talking about this event what this group call spirits and demons matters not the Dalish. While merril might be right some spirits are not outright evil if not good. The evidence so far suggests Justice is not a demon, he is not good but he is not a demon.

[AresKeith]

Was it even stated that she was leading the Mages?