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[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

But guys as grand enchanter Fiona is default leader of mage rebellion. Unless this changes some time in the game, until then Fiona is leading the war. I did not make this thread to suggest make her the leader because she is already the leader with first enchanter Adrian and senior enchanter Rhys as 2nd in commands, probably.

Unless the mages decided to elect a new leader, the first 'free' leader of the mages. Or the might decide to form a council. We don't have a clue of what the mages will do betwen Asunder and DAI.
The fact that she's the GE at the end of the book doesn't mean she'll maintain the title.

Modifié par hhh89, 03 février 2014 - 08:55 .

[Mr.House]

AresKeith wrote...

Was it even stated that she was leading the Mages?

If mages want to live, they better not take orders from Fiona or her scumbag friend.

[AresKeith]

Mages need people like this to lead them





But they aren't worthy of such an honor

[Lulupab]

Mr.House wrote...

It does not matter what her title is, the leader should go to the person who deserves it. Fiona and Adrian are bloodthirsty idiots.

Well Adrian is indeed an idiot but Fiona is one of the good ones. She has done nothing immoral yet and all she has done was representing what Liberitarians and Aequitarians want. She is not even a gray character, she is white. 

Fiona's ruthlessness is matched by Templar's who would do anything to draw mages back to their chains. She has outdone herself many times during the time she was a grey warden. So you might think she is emotional or whatever but she actually has skills when it comes to war.

[Iron Fist]

What is Fiona's personality like?

[LobselVith8]

eluvianix wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

That said, I wonder how the (attempted) Magi Boon might influence Thedas post-Circle emancipation. Perhaps Fiona might be leading some mages in the nation. 

Well, the Magi Boon backfired did it not, with the Divine contemplating another "Exalted March". I doubt Fiona would lead the mages in Ferelden though. If she was smart, she would deal with Mage politics in Val Royeaux, post MT War, since she's gonna have to work closely with Justinia to make sure mages don't get steam rolled. That being said, I would rather have an Aequitarian like Rhys or someone like Wynne, to help reconstitute magical policy in Thedas. 

An Exalted March against the independent Circle of Orzammar, but the ramifications of the Magi Boon are never properly addressed for Ferelden. I'm also not sure why Fiona should work with Justina when the Chantry has lost control of their militant arm.

[Hellion Rex]

MevenSelas wrote...

What is Fiona's personality like?

Headstrong, emotional, impulsive.

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

Mages need people like this to lead them





But they aren't worthy of such an honor

Totally debating semantics, but Gandalf isn't a mage...

[Lulupab]

eluvianix wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

What is Fiona's personality like?

Headstrong, emotional, impulsive.

Yet almost all none-Templar none-seeker people who came in contact with her liked her. Hmm... makes you think doesn't it?

I'm more interested in the rumor what if grey wardens send her to do this? I think no one hates the circle like Fiona does yet she goes back only to free mages? meh, there is a bigger scheme here.

[TK514]

Mr.House wrote...
When the templars come into the Gallows during the battle, a bunch of mages just stay in a long hallway, not using magic and backing up slowly. All the mages in that hallway die. 

Hey now, they were practicing the time honored "Throw yourself on their sword and die screaming" defense.  If they 'd had a couple hundred more people with them, it might have even worked.  A little.

as for the Spirit/Demon semantic discussion, I thought it was obvious that all demons are spirits, but not all spirits are demons.  Demon is just a subset of Spirit.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I see Fiona being something like a general, since she does have combat experience. However, the diplomatic leader I think will be someone else.

[AresKeith]

eluvianix wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mages need people like this to lead them

*snip*
But they aren't worthy of such an honor

Totally debating semantics, but Gandalf isn't a mage...

Neither is Darth Marr 

Modifié par AresKeith, 03 février 2014 - 09:04 .

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mages need people like this to lead them

*snip*
But they aren't worthy of such an honor

Totally debating semantics, but Gandalf isn't a mage...

Neither is Darth Marr 

Meh, Gandalf is more like an angel lol. So comparing him to a Thedosian mage is bit of an insult lol.

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

What is Fiona's personality like?

Headstrong, emotional, impulsive.

Yet almost all none-Templar none-seeker people who came in contact with her liked her. Hmm... makes you think doesn't it?

I'm more interested in the rumor what if grey wardens send her to do this? I think no one hates the circle like Fiona does yet she goes back only to free mages? meh, there is a bigger scheme here.

She completely cut ties with the Wardens though. She has nothing to gain by still working for them as an inside agent. Besides, what in the world would the Wardens have to gain?

[TK514]

eluvianix wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mages need people like this to lead them

*snip*

But they aren't worthy of such an honor

Totally debating semantics, but Gandalf isn't a mage...

EDIT: Beaten to it.  Alas.

Fiona is a terrible leader, backed by seconds who are traitors, incompetents, or unrepentant backstabbing murderers.  She's like a dog chasing cars with no idea what she was going to do when she caught one.  Anyone with half a brain could see that an attempted breakaway by the Mages would be met with Templar resistance under the most peaceful circumstances, yet she did nothing to prepare, nothing to mitigate the response, and nothing to salvage any part of the situation she found herself in.  Nope, she just ran blindly forward with her agenda, completely oblivious, until she ran face first into the bumper.

An actual leader would have made plans, stockpiled resources, picked her ground, and adapted to the changing situation.  An actual leader would have bided her time until the Templars were complacent, or at least quiescent, or would have worked to bring that state of affairs about.  An actual leader would have been able to convince her peers on the basis of her argument alone, instead of requiring the death of her strongest opponent in order to get her vote passed.

Wynne was a leader.  Fiona is an opportunist with poor timing and who's strongest supporters have shown themselves to be either self-interested or inconstant in their beliefs.

Modifié par TK514, 03 février 2014 - 09:27 .

[The Baconer]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I see Fiona being something like a general, since she does have combat experience. However, the diplomatic leader I think will be someone else.

There's a difference between being a good killer and having the skills to lead others or oversee an army. I can`t imagine having a background in fighting the Darkspawn, who outside of extraordinary circumstances, don't really apply strategy or tactics to anything they do, versus an organized army. Especially considering that this army in question is composed of people specifically trained to disable and kill mages. In my opinion, giving this responsibility to Fiona would probably be a disaster.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Baconer wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I see Fiona being something like a general, since she does have combat experience. However, the diplomatic leader I think will be someone else.

There's a difference between being a good killer and having the skills to lead others or oversee an army. I can`t imagine having a background in fighting the Darkspawn, who outside of extraordinary circumstances, don't really apply strategy or tactics to anything they do, versus an organized army. Especially considering that this army in question is composed of people specifically trained to disable and kill mages. In my opinion, giving this responsibility to Fiona would probably be a disaster.

While you have valid points, it is still better than nothing since most mages have no combat experience whatsoever. Better to have someone who actually learned and experienced such things in person as well as booksrather than someon who at best has knowledge solely from a book.

[The Baconer]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

While you have valid points, it is still better than nothing since most mages have no combat experience whatsoever. Better to have someone who actually learned and experienced such things in person as well as booksrather than someon who at best has knowledge solely from a book.

True. It's very unlikely that someone with those qualifications would be available to them.

[Sir JK]

LobselVith8 wrote...

An Exalted March against the independent Circle of Orzammar, but the ramifications of the Magi Boon are never properly addressed for Ferelden. I'm also not sure why Fiona should work with Justina when the Chantry has lost control of their militant arm.

To pick up the pieces of the world once the fighting ceases?

Given that the chantry is not, first and foremost, an army the loss of their militant arm will not on it's own render them an insignificant political force. As such, unless the mages intend to wage war on the rets of Thedas once they no longer fight the templars... working with Justinia (or her successor) will eventually be a neccessity. If only just to figure out what place mages will have in southern thedas.

[TK514]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
 While you have valid points, it is still better than nothing since most mages have no combat experience whatsoever. Better to have someone who actually learned and experienced such things in person as well as booksrather than someon who at best has knowledge solely from a book.

The Mages already have better than nothing.  They have a former Templar Abomination in their ranks.

If given the choice between listening to the administrator who used to grub around in the dirt with Darkspawn or the warrior trained in warfare and Templar unit tactics, I know who I'd want on the job developing and executing my battle plans.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
As for the second half, you must be joking. Nothing good can come from that level of magical stagnation and oppression.

They do have the most advanced technology in Thedas and we've never heard of their mages rebelling.
Their methods may be brutal but they get results.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TK514 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
 While you have valid points, it is still better than nothing since most mages have no combat experience whatsoever. Better to have someone who actually learned and experienced such things in person as well as booksrather than someon who at best has knowledge solely from a book.

The Mages already have better than nothing.  They have a former Templar Abomination in their ranks.

If given the choice between listening to the administrator who used to grub around in the dirt with Darkspawn or the warrior trained in warfare and Templar unit tactics, I know who I'd want on the job developing and executing my battle plans.

There is a third option. Use both. I never said Fiona would be THE general, only A general. 
Evangeline will also be a great candidate for leading the mage's military.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 03 février 2014 - 09:46 .

[Lvl20DM]

Wild speculation on my part, but I think it may be possible that Fiona is an early casualty of the Veil Tear in Inquisition. This is based on the idea that the Veil Tear kills most everyone at a peace conference - I suspect that Fiona as Grand Enchanter is likely to be at the conference, as would Justinia.

Of course, that would also remove a potentially dynamic character from the narrative very early, so maybe not.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

AresKeith wrote...

Mages need people like this to lead them





But they aren't worthy of such an honor

Uh... those are kind of very different people.