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[The Elder King]

I want a mage with the mindset of a Malcolm Hawke as the leader. But I doubt we'll get it.
Excellent post, MisterJB. You described the role of Asunder's characters that trigger the war perfectly.

Modifié par hhh89, 02 février 2014 - 04:02 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

I have no idea who that is.

[Lulupab]

duckley wrote...
I have a few questions OP - not sure you know the answer

1. In Asunder, did you get the feeling that there was there a chance for a more peaceful movement towards Mage "freedom"?
2. What was Wynne and Leliana's point of view regarding the Devine, and was this imparted to Fiona?
3. Was  the Devine not a potential ally who could change the manner in which Mages were treated? Did the fraternities know this?
4. Why did that Mage in Asunder try to kill the Devine?
5. Is Fiona a bit Anders-like in her zeal?

Thanks

I numbered your questions for easier answering. Also I can't promise giving a correct answer but I will try.

1. Maybe but given how stubborn Lambert and Templars were in not giving mages any more freedom I doubt anything peaceful was possible. Templars indirectly shouted shut up and be content with what you have.

2. Leliana and Wynne wanted peace over anything so naturally they supported the Divine but Leliana was part of the group that freed the mages, if they didn't do it the Templars might have killed most of Enchanters along with Fiona so I believe although they wanted peace they acknowledged the problems of mages.

3. The Divine was somewhat more kind towards mages, much more than the other Divines, that's for sure. But as far as I know she did not support the separation of circles, only wanted to investigate the tranquility cure more and defended mages agains the Templars.

4. To further their plan to free the cricles of course. The Divine would never support the separation and with her out of the way things would go much better for mages.

5. Fiona is like a better version of Anders. She is not possessed by a spirit and does not blow up the chantry. She precisely knows what strings to pull to reach her goal. She could have gone anywhere and do whatever she wanted but she went back to the cricle, the place she hates most only to free other mages. She is one of those few elves who doesn't hate humans despite her childhood experience. She however doesn't trust any nobility, maric was an exception. She certainly has zeal and devotion in what she does, but I believe its in a positive way. The people she is facing are not any less devoted to bring mages back to the circle.

[Vinitchz]

I think Adrian would be a more likely choice to lead the mages rebellion, even not agreeing with what she did in Asunder.

[Br3admax]

Yes all twelve of her fans, gather here!

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: what MisterJB is saying is that it wasn't smart to ask for the separation when they were surrounded by templars. And Fiona's 'success' was heavily based on Adrian's actions. Without Adrian I doubt that the conflict would've started, and the mages wouldn't have separated.

You're right, how could I forget Adrian. Fiona relied on Adrian's actions where as Anders just did what he wanted and Fiona merely used it to her advantage.

[AresKeith]

Br3ad wrote...

Yes all twelve of her fans, gather here!

Your being too nice

Even though I consider her slightly better than Anders, only slightly

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...

2. Leliana and Wynne wanted peace over anything so naturally they supported the Divine but Leliana was part of the group that freed the mages, if they didn't do it the Templars might have killed most of Enchanters along with Fiona so I believe although they wanted peace they acknowledged the problems of mages.

5. Fiona is like a better version of Anders. She is not possessed by a spirit and does not blow up the chantry. She precisely knows what strings to pull to reach her goal. She could have gone anywhere and do whatever she wanted but she went back to the cricle, the place she hates most only to free other mages. She is one of those few elves who doesn't hate humans despite her childhood experience. She however doesn't trust any nobility, maric was an exception. She certainly has zeal and devotion in what she does, but I believe its in a positive way. The people she is facing are not any less devoted to bring mages back to the circle.

2.Yeah so leliana wanted peace and started killing templars... if she wanted peace she would let templars keep mages no thanks to her stupid ass we have war and my inq will have clean that knowing life... but at least i can see profits if we play cards right for my inq.

5.Yeah right good luck another nutsie what thinks that is morally superior...

Rassler wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler:
what MisterJB is saying is that it wasn't smart to ask for the
separation when they were surrounded by templars. And Fiona's 'success'
was heavily based on Adrian's actions. Without Adrian I doubt that the
conflict would've started, and the mages wouldn't have
separated.

You're right, how could I forget Adrian. Fiona
relied on Adrian's actions where as Anders just did what he wanted and
Fiona merely used it to her advantage.

Yes her ass (and other mages as well) was wiping the floor with templars help if not divine stupidity her
advantage would be in prison...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 02 février 2014 - 04:20 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Wothen wrote...

0 pro-templar threads
3000 pro-mage threads

Oh man bioware made such a good job in making both sides look grey in their games

They made both black still templars are lighter sade of black comparing to mages...

Besides there is a little argument to side with mages beyond just plaing nuts or being naive... i mean most problems that thedas have is caused by mages...

*Facepalm.
If you think that you have not been paying attention. Are you forgetting about the pro-circle mages?
And no the problems of Thedusis not becase of mages.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 02 février 2014 - 04:35 .

[Karlone123]

AresKeith wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Yes all twelve of her fans, gather here!

Your being too nice

Even though I consider her slightly better than Anders, only slightly

I think a sidequest for DAI should be Anders and Fiona making babies, they are perfect for each other.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

We've done it sir. We've gathered the mage cancer all to one place.

Begin exterminatus purge.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I have to admit I am interested in seeing Fiona ingame though, both for her as well as I finally want to meet Alistair's mother. It would be cool that if Alistair is alive the two meet up.

[leaguer of one]

Karlone123 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Yes all twelve of her fans, gather here!

Your being too nice

Even though I consider her slightly better than Anders, only slightly

I think a sidequest for DAI should be Anders and Fiona making babies, they are perfect for each other.

How is a Zombie able to make Babies?

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Wothen wrote...

0 pro-templar threads
3000 pro-mage threads

Oh man bioware made such a good job in making both sides look grey in their games

They made both black still templars are lighter sade of black comparing to mages...

Besides there is a little argument to side with mages beyond just plaing nuts or being naive... i mean most problems that thedas have is caused by mages...

*Facepalm.
If you think that you have not been paying attention. Are you forgetting about the pro-circle mages?
And no the problems of Thedusis not becase of mages.

Small difference because hello circles didn't worked and won't and procircle or pro-freedom doesn't matter both will be that same abomnation.
Yes lets see blight , almost every place with thin veil that we saw was cuased by mages , connor , kirkwall , zathrian , tevinter , abomnations and blood mages rampaging pretty much a lot of that only other problem for thedas i can think about are qunari... 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 02 février 2014 - 04:40 .

[leaguer of one]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

We've done it sir. We've gathered the mage cancer all to one place.

Begin exterminatus purge.

*Ice cone.
*Stone fist.

Ok, moving along....

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Anders X Fiona is a horrible pairing for horrible people. Also I think it could tell as pedophilia.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Wothen wrote...

0 pro-templar threads
3000 pro-mage threads

Oh man bioware made such a good job in making both sides look grey in their games

They made both black still templars are lighter sade of black comparing to mages...

Besides there is a little argument to side with mages beyond just plaing nuts or being naive... i mean most problems that thedas have is caused by mages...

*Facepalm.
If you think that you have not been paying attention. Are you forgetting about the pro-circle mages?
And no the problems of Thedusis not becase of mages.

Small difference because hello circles don't work and procircle or pro-freedom doesn't matter both will be that same abomnation.
Yes lets see blight , almost every place with thin veil that we saw was cuased by mages , connor , kirkwall , zathrian , tevinter , abomnations and blood mages rampaging pretty much a lot of that only other problem for thedas i can think about are qunari... 

1. They would work if Templar did not abuse their power and do it in a manner mages right are taken in mind. No procircle mage want attack anyone till the templars tried to jail us in our own tower.

2. The veil tears because of alot of death in the area, not just because mage involvement. And their other horrilbe things that happen in DA that don't involve mages.

[leaguer of one]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

Anders X Fiona is a horrible pairing for horrible people. Also I think it could tell as pedophilia.

Techniclly it would be necrophilia.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You'll have better luck squeezing water from molten lava than convincing Kommandor that mages aren't evil, leaguer.

[Karlone123]

leaguer of one wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Yes all twelve of her fans, gather here!

Your being too nice

Even though I consider her slightly better than Anders, only slightly

I think a sidequest for DAI should be Anders and Fiona making babies, they are perfect for each other.

How is a Zombie able to make Babies?

Bioware has the holy divine power of resurrection.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Karlone123 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Yes all twelve of her fans, gather here!

Your being too nice

Even though I consider her slightly better than Anders, only slightly

I think a sidequest for DAI should be Anders and Fiona making babies, they are perfect for each other.

How is a Zombie able to make Babies?

Bioware has the holy divine power of resurrection.

And Bioware has confirmed that a dead Anders will stay as a dead Anders.

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

I want a mage with the mindset of a Malcolm Hawke as the leader. But I doubt we'll get it.
Excellent post, MisterJB. You described the role of Asunder's characters that trigger the war perfectly.

Can't say I don't agree but as Grand Enchanter Fiona is default leader of Rebellion unless devs change it in the future. For now we can assume Fiona is the leader.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

1. They would work if Templar did not abuse their power and do it in a manner mages right are taken in mind. No procircle mage want attack anyone till the templars tried to jail us in our own tower.

2. The veil tears because of alot of death in the area, not just because mage involvement. And their other horrilbe things that happen in DA that don't involve mages.

1.L®ight... *coughs*  circle mages in ferdelden *hidden and secret message* shhh my friend there is place where mages are threated good it is called tevinter and it sucks:bandit: *end of message* I will take that as win on naive theory if templars will be good for mages mages will show love and we will have eternal peace:devil: if not enough examples i always have more...

2.Mostly because of magic or at least caused by mages as far we have only orphanage caused by non-mages.

[superdeathdealer14]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

You'll have better luck squeezing water from molten lava than convincing Kommandor that mages aren't evil, leaguer.

Shut up and take my +1