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thetinyevil wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
No,Rassler is right. If you read JB's comments on mages before you'll know he is really anti mage.


TKS is anti-mage.  MisterJB is not.

Yes he is and if I read you posts correctly so are you.

Unless you think that being a pro-templar makes one automatically an anti-mage, you're wrong on both Veruin and MisterJB. And considering that you once thought eluvianix (that is pro-mage) was anti-mage, I'd say you're reading their posts uncorrectly.
edit: see you're later post about pro-Circle. You do know that there are a lot of pro-mages that are pro-Circle too? 

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Saints944 wrote...

Has anyone stated that they are a fan of Fiona yet?

I have. If I haven't, I'm saying it now. ^_^

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thetinyevil wrote...

IMO if someone is pro-circle then they are by defualt anti-mage.


I don't think most would describe me as anti-mage.

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[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]Rassler wrote...
I said Templars will be a door away not a mile and patrolling the cricle but they have absolutely no say in how the cricle works. Its like a government that chooses its ways but its police is independant.[/quote]
The police can only act based upon what the government decides is a crime or not and you just determined that mages rule themselves which means that only mages can determine if, for instance, summoning demons with the blood of the innocents is a crime or not. That is pure mage freedom because only mages can determine the restrictions imposed upon them.

Plus, it's entirely ineffective for the reasons I have already stated. mages are dangerous beyond the threat of demons.

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She wished separation. Had the Templars and Seekers accepted it there would have been no war.[/quote]
Right, so if I suddenly decide my home is an independent state and buy a tank to defend its borders, it is somehow the police's fault for arresting me.
The citizens can't just up and decide they are no longer part of the "country". She knew full well that what she suggested would lead to a war. She just didn't care.
 
[quote]She is like 50% responsible for the war.[/quote]
 Which still makes her actions quite immoral.


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Lol the fact that you compare Fiona to those says a lot, too much in fact.[/quote]
 
See my previous post.

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You see improvement of mage lives as an evil thing which its not.[/quote]
It is when it is done at the expense of the rest of the world.

[quote]Fiona is best freedom fighter written by Bioware yet,[/quote]
 I will NOT have you insult Bioware's writers in that manner. Apologize to David Gaider now!

[quote]ahe is like author's favorite[/quote]
 No, she is your favorite. Don't put words into other people's mouths.

[quote]You can have your opinion of course but it doesn't change the fact that Fiona is not evil not even a little bit.[/quote]
Good and evil are subjective to begin with and now you want to factually state who is good and who is evil.
Ask the people who die in this war whether they consider Fiona evil or not.

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As I said before Lambert, Templars and Seekers are as responsible for the war as Fiona and the mages.[/quote]
Which doesn't change the fact she is also responsible for the WAR!
She's not a saint who has never done a thing wrong in her life.

[quote]When a seeker angers the divine in treatment of mages you know something is wrong.[/quote]
With the Divine.

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Your posts suggest otherwise.
[/quote]
To you.

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Fiona is NOT self-righteous. You cannot shove this as fact, you simply can't.[/quote]
Sure I can. To be self-righteous is to be of one's own righteousness.
Fiona says she is not willing to wait for the Divine to do what is "right". Therefore, she is self-righteous.
 
[quote]The biggest mage fraternities agree with her that is 70% of mages. She is not Anders, she is representing what all mages want, not what she wants. 
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The warmongers won by a vote. 49 out of 100 mages didn't  want this war. She is not representing what they want.
And that has nothing to with being self-righteous.[/quote]
If he isn't anti-mage, than I'm a five hundred pound black bear wearing a tutu riding a unicycle.

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thetinyevil wrote...

IMO if someone is pro-circle then they are by defualt anit-mage. After all circles are prisons where victims are punshed and abusers are rewarded

Ok...I am pro mage all the freaking way. And yet, I also support reformed Circles.
I have played 10 Origins campaigns, all Amells or Suranas.
I have 7 of DA2, 6 as a mage, 1 as a warrior.
I am as about pro mage as you can get.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Has anyone stated that they are a fan of Fiona yet?

I have. If I haven't, I'm saying it now. ^_^


But...why?
:(

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hhh89 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
No,Rassler is right. If you read JB's comments on mages before you'll know he is really anti mage.


TKS is anti-mage.  MisterJB is not.

Yes he is and if I read you posts correctly so are you.

Unless you think that being a pro-templar makes one automatically an anti-mage, you're wrong on both Veruin and MisterJB. And considering that you once thought eluvianix (that is pro-mage) was anti-mage, I'd say you're reading their posts uncorrectly.
edit: see you're later post about pro-Circle. You do know that there are a lot of pro-mages that are pro-Circle too? 


That is just my opinion on it. I just can't see how someone who is pro-Circle can be pro-mage. I just can't see it. And being a pro-templar does automatically some an anti-mage. You can't support templars without hating mages and wanting them to be little more then mindless tools to point at your enemy to make them go away. How can someone not be anti-mage and be pro-templar, they can't.

Modifié par thetinyevil, 06 février 2014 - 03:30 .


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thetinyevil wrote...

IMO if someone is pro-circle then they are by defualt anit-mage. After all circles are prisons where victims are punshed and abusers are rewarded.


The new character Vivienne will be an aggressively pro-circle mage.

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Can you point out what in that post makes MisterJB an anti-mage?

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eluvianix wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Has anyone stated that they are a fan of Fiona yet?

I have. If I haven't, I'm saying it now. ^_^


But...why?
:(

Why is anyone a fan of anybody? They like the character and hope them well.

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Has anyone stated that they are a fan of Fiona yet?

I have. If I haven't, I'm saying it now. ^_^


But...why?
:(

Why is anyone a fan of anybody? They like the character and hope them well.

Touche. I bear you no ill will. Your world's Fiona may live, while mine will get a fireball to the face.
Everyone's happy.
:wizard:

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@thetinyevil: I understand that is your opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that both here and in-game there are (and there'll be) pro-mages that are pro-Circle.

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hhh89 wrote...

Can you point out what in that post makes MisterJB an anti-mage?

I did a few post up. 

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hhh89 wrote...

@thetinyevil: I understand that is your opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that both here and in-game there are (and there'll be) pro-mages that are pro-Circle.


Hell, even Wynne was pro mage.

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eluvianix wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Saints944 wrote...

Has anyone stated that they are a fan of Fiona yet?

I have. If I haven't, I'm saying it now. ^_^


But...why?
:(

Why is anyone a fan of anybody? They like the character and hope them well.

Touche. I bear you no ill will. Your world's Fiona may live, while mine will get a fireball to the face.
Everyone's happy.
:wizard:

Exactly. Don't approve of the use of 'fire to the face' but yeah, it's your game.
:wizard:

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I think Tinyevil just doesn't understand the Chantry, the game, and the lore very well. Like, at all.

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@eluvianix: I don't care that much about Fiona, but when we talked about Asunder's characters (before I read the book on December) I recall that you didn't have an opinion that negative of Fiona. Did something change? Or did I misread your posts?

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LDS Darth Revan wrote...
Exactly. Don't approve of the use of 'fire to the face' but yeah, it's your game.
:wizard:

No? Perhaps blood boiling? Lightning bolt to the chest? Ice spike through the heart?
:lol:

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hhh89 wrote...

@thetinyevil: I understand that is your opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that both here and in-game there are (and there'll be) pro-mages that are pro-Circle.

I still can't see it. I mean when I see pro-Circle I think of the old system that pretty much made mages subhuman slaves. I can see it if some supports Circle reform but when ever I see pro-Circle is see the old system. I am trying to break that habbit but it is not easy.

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eluvianix wrote...

No? Perhaps blood boiling? Lightning bolt to the chest? Ice spike through the heart?
:lol:


I approve ice magic of all forms. :wizard:  Ice spikes sounds good, but I'd personally freeze her from the inside out.

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Veruin wrote...

I think Tinyevil just doesn't understand the Chantry, the game, and the lore very well. Like, at all.

I understand them all just fine. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't understand the game, lore or the Chantry.

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thetinyevil wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Can you point out what in that post makes MisterJB an anti-mage?

I did a few post up. 



I don't see a post like that in the last tree pages of the thread. I'll check it up  further back later.
Edit: Nevermind,  I didn't see your edit.

Modifié par hhh89, 06 février 2014 - 03:38 .


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hhh89 wrote...

@eluvianix: I don't care that much about Fiona, but when we talked about Asunder's characters (before I read the book on December) I recall that you didn't have an opinion that negative of Fiona. Did something change? Or did I misread your posts?

RIght now, Fiona seems like she might run the mages straight into the ground, especially with a firebrand like Adrian whispering in her ear. Fiona is all power and emotion, no temperance and restraint. She may be "Grand Enchanter", but that doesn't make her a good leader, at all. But I will reserve judgment until I meet her in game, if she's still alive at that point.

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thetinyevil wrote...

I understand them all just fine. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't understand the game, lore or the Chantry.


If you understand it, you would be able to understand at a minimum that you can be pro-circle and still be pro-mage.  This has nothing to do with you agreeing with me.

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eluvianix wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@thetinyevil: I understand that is your opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that both here and in-game there are (and there'll be) pro-mages that are pro-Circle.


Hell, even Wynne was pro mage.

I hated Wynne. I would have left her at the tower if I didn't need a healer. She annoyed the hell out of me.