1033 réponses à ce sujet

[cjones91]

Most mages see the Circle as a punishment though,I feel like this whole conflict could be avoided if mages were'nt treated like potential monsters but that's just me.

[Veruin]

Tinyevil, please do go on with your delusions about mages being tools and weapons. When everyone was preparing defences at Ostagar, there were a total of 7 (9? I know it was less than 10.) that were sent. Out of an entire tower of them, that's how many they sent.

[thetinyevil]

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...

I agree but its not heaven lol. You HAVE to face a demon, succeed or become tranquil. It reminds of the Qun. Mages who don't want to be harrowed shouldn't be made tranquil, instead they should be watched closely and never be promoted to higher ranks or any rank for that matter in their hierarchy. They should be able to live a quiet life in circle, just living as a person.

No one claims the current system is the epitome of perfection.  We all say there are ways it could be improved.  However, the gross exaggeration of mages being treated like sh-t is getting old, when we are shown otherwise it is not the case.

You've read Asunder right? You seen how badly the mage were treated right? Oh do you think they like being hit with a big ass metal gauntlet warn by a man who sepends a good amount of time swing around a heavy ass sword. Oh how about the First Enchanter being ordered around by a LT and unable to do anything about it. 

[Veruin]

thetinyevil wrote...
You've read Asunder right? You seen how badly the mage were treated right? Oh do you think they like being hit with a big ass metal gauntlet warn by a man who sepends a good amount of time swing around a heavy ass sword. Oh how about the First Enchanter being ordered around by a LT and unable to do anything about it.

I haven't.  But  I want context of the situations and not from you.  You have a terrible habit of glossing over anything that doesn't support your shallow point of view.  

Also considering we have other pro mages that have read Asunder and never seem to bring that up, it doesn't help your point much.

Modifié par Veruin, 06 février 2014 - 04:55 .

[TK514]

thetinyevil wrote...

The stardard of living isn't a rosie and wonderful as you seem to think. If they didn't use their powers then what good would they be? Mages are tools and weapons for the Chantry use as they see fit. Without the vast libraries, that likely has about much fiction as a dictionary, is for learning, so they wouldn't be useful. There are no private rooms, even the Enchanters had to share rooms, I think the only mage who gets a private room is the First Enchanter. They make the robes so not so expensive and they only were enchanted robs outside when they are put on the front lines of a war, they also make their own staves there and they aren't expensive. Their staffs aren't made of rare woods or metals. Their clothes aren't silk, their cotten or wool and not the good cottor or wool either. 

The alchemical apparatus, that's to make stuff to sell not use on the mages. Why waste goods on tools and weapons that are easy to replace. Their "hierarchy" is a joke. That is just to make the mages think they actually have a voice to keep them plaicated and in their place. Their representation has as much say in what happens to the cirlce as a five year old mageling fresh to the circle.

I'd ask where these inexpensive enchantments to make enchanted clothing and staves come from, you know, the ones that require the use of the most expensive substance in the world to make, but what would be the point?  when you ignore directly what we see in-game and dismiss obvious luxuries unknown to the majority of the population as irrelevant, you move into the 'ranting paranoid' pile.

[thetinyevil]

Veruin wrote...

Tinyevil, please do go on with your delusions about mages being tools and weapons. When everyone was preparing defences at Ostagar, there were a total of 7 (9? I know it was less than 10.) that were sent. Out of an entire tower of them, that's how many they sent.

That is how many Greagoir allowed to go. It would have taken to many templars away from the Circle to send more then a handful of mages. Besides only allowing seven to know what fresh air and sunshine feels like is better then 20, with 20 he could have a real problem on is hands. Like Uldrd one of the mages he sent to Ostagar. 

Alsl I want to know what do you call mages? They aren't treated like people, they aren't even seen as people. They are only let out of the tower when they can be of use? That is if they actually earned the right to be outside. I'm actually surprised they just don't put black bags over their heads and toss them into the back of a wagon to transport them anywhere. Besides when they let one mage out they have to send at least half a platoon to kill the mage if s/he suddenly goes bat**** crazy and decides to kill everyone, because that's what mages do. 

[thetinyevil]

TK514 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

The stardard of living isn't a rosie and wonderful as you seem to think. If they didn't use their powers then what good would they be? Mages are tools and weapons for the Chantry use as they see fit. Without the vast libraries, that likely has about much fiction as a dictionary, is for learning, so they wouldn't be useful. There are no private rooms, even the Enchanters had to share rooms, I think the only mage who gets a private room is the First Enchanter. They make the robes so not so expensive and they only were enchanted robs outside when they are put on the front lines of a war, they also make their own staves there and they aren't expensive. Their staffs aren't made of rare woods or metals. Their clothes aren't silk, their cotten or wool and not the good cottor or wool either. 

The alchemical apparatus, that's to make stuff to sell not use on the mages. Why waste goods on tools and weapons that are easy to replace. Their "hierarchy" is a joke. That is just to make the mages think they actually have a voice to keep them plaicated and in their place. Their representation has as much say in what happens to the cirlce as a five year old mageling fresh to the circle.

I'd ask where these inexpensive enchantments to make enchanted clothing and staves come from, you know, the ones that require the use of the most expensive substance in the world to make, but what would be the point?  when you ignore directly what we see in-game and dismiss obvious luxuries unknown to the majority of the population as irrelevant, you move into the 'ranting paranoid' pile.

The majority of their enchantments are sold to pay for "the most expensive substance in the world". So they get a few chairs and a bet that looks about as comfortable as a dirt road and it is an obvious luxury. Yes you're right, not being allowed to make a single dissions on your own is such a luxury. So wonderful. The tower wasn't all the luxurious and the Gallows was a ****ing converted slave prision what luxuries would you find in that hell hole, also by the Act 3 mages weren't allowed to use their magic, study, use the tomes and their staffs had been taken away and spent the majority of the time in their cells, which most likely were about as big as a small closet,(the room size is just a guess) but everything else is mentioned in game.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Veruin wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
You've read Asunder right? You seen how badly the mage were treated right? Oh do you think they like being hit with a big ass metal gauntlet warn by a man who sepends a good amount of time swing around a heavy ass sword. Oh how about the First Enchanter being ordered around by a LT and unable to do anything about it.

I haven't.  But  I want context of the situations and not from you.  You have a terrible habit of glossing over anything that doesn't support your shallow point of view.  

Also considering we have other pro mages that have read Asunder and never seem to bring that up, it doesn't help your point much.

The only mages in the Circle, BEFORE the entire ****storm started, that were treated poorly, were the ones in the dungeons. Medieval dungeons weren't nice places.

[EmperorSahlertz]

thetinyevil wrote...

TK514 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

The stardard of living isn't a rosie and wonderful as you seem to think. If they didn't use their powers then what good would they be? Mages are tools and weapons for the Chantry use as they see fit. Without the vast libraries, that likely has about much fiction as a dictionary, is for learning, so they wouldn't be useful. There are no private rooms, even the Enchanters had to share rooms, I think the only mage who gets a private room is the First Enchanter. They make the robes so not so expensive and they only were enchanted robs outside when they are put on the front lines of a war, they also make their own staves there and they aren't expensive. Their staffs aren't made of rare woods or metals. Their clothes aren't silk, their cotten or wool and not the good cottor or wool either. 

The alchemical apparatus, that's to make stuff to sell not use on the mages. Why waste goods on tools and weapons that are easy to replace. Their "hierarchy" is a joke. That is just to make the mages think they actually have a voice to keep them plaicated and in their place. Their representation has as much say in what happens to the cirlce as a five year old mageling fresh to the circle.

I'd ask where these inexpensive enchantments to make enchanted clothing and staves come from, you know, the ones that require the use of the most expensive substance in the world to make, but what would be the point?  when you ignore directly what we see in-game and dismiss obvious luxuries unknown to the majority of the population as irrelevant, you move into the 'ranting paranoid' pile.

The majority of their enchantments are sold to pay for "the most expensive substance in the world". So they get a few chairs and a bet that looks about as comfortable as a dirt road and it is an obvious luxury. Yes you're right, not being allowed to make a single dissions on your own is such a luxury. So wonderful. The tower wasn't all the luxurious and the Gallows was a ****ing converted slave prision what luxuries would you find in that hell hole, also by the Act 3 mages weren't allowed to use their magic, study, use the tomes and their staffs had been taken away and spent the majority of the time in their cells, which most likely were about as big as a small closet,(the room size is just a guess) but everything else is mentioned in game.

The mere fact that they even have a bed should be proof that they aren't treated as prisoners.

Did you wilfully compeltely ignore EVERY other prison we witnessed throughout the games? Did you notice ANY beds in the cells? Libraries? Larders? ANY sort of comftable living conditions? No, you didn't. But you choose to ignore this fact, because that will make you look like an idiot saying what you are saying.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

thetinyevil wrote...
and the Gallows was a ****ing converted slave prision what luxuries would you find in that hell hole, also by the Act 3 mages weren't allowed to use their magic, study, use the tomes and their staffs had been taken away and spent the majority of the time in their cells, which most likely were about as big as a small closet,(the room size is just a guess) but everything else is mentioned in game.

Word of advice: Don't use Kirkwall as a basis for all Circles. You're describing the Circle watched by the paranoid Meredith who every day is made worse thanks to the Red Lyrium sword she wields on her back.

[Veruin]

Out of all the mages sent, the only templars we see are the ones in front of the magi camp while they are in the fade, so a total of 2. So 2 Templars for 7 mages, (Possibly more, but the only ones I remember seeing were those two templars. I don't remember seeing any inside the camp itself.), so going on that. For what I would assume to be a sizeable army of 49 mages, that would equal 14 templars.

If they weren't treated like people, they wouldn't be kept in the circles in the first place. Look at the casteless dwarves if you want an example of people not being treated like people.

You're only surprised because your blatant biased nature towards the chantry allows it to be so.

Again, the mages used to be allowed outside, in groups with an escort of course, but Anders screwed that up for them.

EmperorSahlertz wrote...
The only mages in the Circle, BEFORE the entire ****storm started, that were treated poorly, were the ones in the dungeons. Medieval dungeons weren't nice places.

Thank you.  I had suspicions she wasn't telling me the whole story.  Dungeons aren't nice places in general.  Just listen/watch the opening scene of Fort Drakon.  Abuse against people in dungeons isn't limited to mages.

Modifié par Veruin, 06 février 2014 - 05:17 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

thetinyevil wrote...


The majority of their enchantments are sold to pay for "the most expensive substance in the world". So they get a few chairs and a bet that looks about as comfortable as a dirt road and it is an obvious luxury. Yes you're right, not being allowed to make a single dissions on your own is such a luxury. So wonderful. The tower wasn't all the luxurious and the Gallows was a ****ing converted slave prision what luxuries would you find in that hell hole, also by the Act 3 mages weren't allowed to use their magic, study, use the tomes and their staffs had been taken away and spent the majority of the time in their cells, which most likely were about as big as a small closet,(the room size is just a guess) but everything else is mentioned in game.

Your going into rage mode again... not their enchantments only tranquil so it is even good reason for tranquil mages ass was kicked and they lost they got a lot as for loosers when chantry wasn't obliged to do that and could just slain them as im suggesting.Meredith despite being crazy nut was right about mages 99 % were blood mages so locking them was even good idea and well you can hear that only from mages who try look like victims for entire game just to turn to be insane blood mage... 

[thetinyevil]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

TK514 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

The stardard of living isn't a rosie and wonderful as you seem to think. If they didn't use their powers then what good would they be? Mages are tools and weapons for the Chantry use as they see fit. Without the vast libraries, that likely has about much fiction as a dictionary, is for learning, so they wouldn't be useful. There are no private rooms, even the Enchanters had to share rooms, I think the only mage who gets a private room is the First Enchanter. They make the robes so not so expensive and they only were enchanted robs outside when they are put on the front lines of a war, they also make their own staves there and they aren't expensive. Their staffs aren't made of rare woods or metals. Their clothes aren't silk, their cotten or wool and not the good cottor or wool either. 

The alchemical apparatus, that's to make stuff to sell not use on the mages. Why waste goods on tools and weapons that are easy to replace. Their "hierarchy" is a joke. That is just to make the mages think they actually have a voice to keep them plaicated and in their place. Their representation has as much say in what happens to the cirlce as a five year old mageling fresh to the circle.

I'd ask where these inexpensive enchantments to make enchanted clothing and staves come from, you know, the ones that require the use of the most expensive substance in the world to make, but what would be the point?  when you ignore directly what we see in-game and dismiss obvious luxuries unknown to the majority of the population as irrelevant, you move into the 'ranting paranoid' pile.

The majority of their enchantments are sold to pay for "the most expensive substance in the world". So they get a few chairs and a bet that looks about as comfortable as a dirt road and it is an obvious luxury. Yes you're right, not being allowed to make a single dissions on your own is such a luxury. So wonderful. The tower wasn't all the luxurious and the Gallows was a ****ing converted slave prision what luxuries would you find in that hell hole, also by the Act 3 mages weren't allowed to use their magic, study, use the tomes and their staffs had been taken away and spent the majority of the time in their cells, which most likely were about as big as a small closet,(the room size is just a guess) but everything else is mentioned in game.

The mere fact that they even have a bed should be proof that they aren't treated as prisoners.

Did you wilfully compeltely ignore EVERY other prison we witnessed throughout the games? Did you notice ANY beds in the cells? Libraries? Larders? ANY sort of comftable living conditions? No, you didn't. But you choose to ignore this fact, because that will make you look like an idiot saying what you are saying.

They had mattress not beds but still something to lay on. So the **** what they have libraries already covered this. With the the libraries the mages would be useless why keep a bunch of useless people around? The tower did not seem all the comfortable to me, it was sufficating and made me want to scrub my skin off after getting to the end of the mage origin.

[Veruin]

She's getting angry. Only a matter of time before the foam and chest pains happen.



I dunno about you guys, but this looks like a bed to me.

Modifié par Veruin, 06 février 2014 - 05:20 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Of the origins, I say the Circle was the third most uncomfortable feeling for me. The Alienage and Dust Town made the Circle look like a vacation resort in comparison.

[thetinyevil]

Yes the circle is a wonderful place. How could I be so wrong. No mages aren't beaten or raped. No mages aren't abused and if they suck up enough and scrape their belly's on the ground after sixty or so years they will be allowed outside. So wonderful. I'm sorry I was so wrong.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Veruin wrote...

She's getting angry. Only a matter of time before the foam and chest pains happen.



I dunno about you guys, but this looks like a bed to me.

buuttt noooo you don't see invisible chains that hold the warden made by templars this and this only looks like bed but rly it is templars torture device that every day they abuse poor innocent mages oh their plight terrible just terrible

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 06 février 2014 - 05:23 .

[Veruin]

thetinyevil wrote...

Yes the circle is a wonderful place. How could I be so wrong. No mages aren't beaten or raped. No mages aren't abused and if they suck up enough and scrape their belly's on the ground after sixty or so years they will be allowed outside. So wonderful. I'm sorry I was so wrong.

I think you're wrong when we have pro-mages that disagree with you.

You are literally the only person who sees the circle this way. Now, is this going to become a case of you being a special snowflake where you see it for what it truly it and everyone is idiotic sheep? I'd wager it probably will.

Modifié par Veruin, 06 février 2014 - 05:25 .

[thetinyevil]

Veruin wrote...

She's getting angry. Only a matter of time before the foam and chest pains happen.



I dunno about you guys, but this looks like a bed to me.

Never said didn't have beds. Just not comforable ones. That does not look comfortable.

[TK514]

thetinyevil wrote...

Yes the circle is a wonderful place.

*some irrelevant stuff snipped*

I'm sorry I was so wrong.

We forgive you.  The first step is admitting you're wrong, and I, for one, am proud of you for taking it.

[Veruin]

thetinyevil wrote...
Never said didn't have beds. Just not comforable ones. That does not look comfortable.

thetinyevil wrote...
They had mattress not beds but still something to lay on. So the **** what

I am now trying to decide between asking you to create realisitic and comfortable beds in Origins (while keeping RAM, GPU and engine limitations in mind) or make a snappy remark about Origins art style.

Modifié par Veruin, 06 février 2014 - 05:28 .

[thetinyevil]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Of the origins, I say the Circle was the third most uncomfortable feeling for me. The Alienage and Dust Town made the Circle look like a vacation resort in comparison.

They were really bad. They wanted to make scrap my skin off too. I was all to happy to kill perverted bastard,

[thetinyevil]

TK514 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Yes the circle is a wonderful place.

*some irrelevant stuff snipped*

I'm sorry I was so wrong.

We forgive you.  The first step is admitting you're wrong, and I, for one, am proud of you for taking it.

Right and I will now imbrace the Qun and cut the tongues out of magelings.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

thetinyevil wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Of the origins, I say the Circle was the third most uncomfortable feeling for me. The Alienage and Dust Town made the Circle look like a vacation resort in comparison.

They were really bad. They wanted to make scrap my skin off too. I was all to happy to kill perverted bastard,

Even in my non City Elf playthroughs, I murderknife him when he is in Howe's dungeon. I don't need his vote at the Landsmeet that badly. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I would say that mages outside nobles are in best situation in thedas at least they were in circles...