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[EmperorSahlertz]

Veruin wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Maybe it IS yesterdays Anders thread, and you are stuck in a timeloop.

Not enough Rassler and earthshifted goalposts.

Timeloop paradox then. Aha... The plot thickens.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Veruin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
I guess i never will understand why guy is so much hated.

If you ignore the rape part, it's generally the same reason people hate the "douchebag" stereotype in real life.  He's a smug, self centered ****.

To be honest at least few characters in da would be described that way and many in video games so i guess rape part still don't get why peoples do big hallo about it when we see plenty murderers and sadist and deal with can be profitable.

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
I do. They die as well.
Because to most people, rape is a terrible thing. But to sociopaths like you I guess it doesn't matter. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Well you know that they are just small part so it doesn't matter and you react very emotionally  so i guess murder , torture and genocide aren't that terrible because peoples still doesn't hate so much characters that are doing that .Great now im sociopath again just for being voice of reason and seeing  opportunity.

[KaiserShep]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

To be honest at least few characters in da would be described that way and many in video games so i guess rape part still don't get why peoples do big hallo about it when we see plenty murderers and sadist and deal with can be profitable.

1. Trick Kendells into giving up the key
2. Kill him
3. Profit!

[EmperorSahlertz]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Great now im sociopath again [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie] just for being voice of reason and seeing  opportunity. 

Most of the "oppertunities" you see are extremely self-serving, and usually comes at the cost of other people's happiness or lives. Yep, that is sociopathic.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 06 février 2014 - 06:20 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

KaiserShep wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

To be honest at least few characters in da would be described that way and many in video games so i guess rape part still don't get why peoples do big hallo about it when we see plenty murderers and sadist and deal with can be profitable.

1. Trick Kendells into giving up the key
2. Kill him
3. Profit!

Yes you can do that but you won't gain his voice in landsmeet and at this point we shouldn't know that hardly matters. So you wasted his voice just to kill him gaining nothing...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Great now im sociopath again [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie] just for being voice of reason and seeing  opportunity. 

Most
of the "oppertunities" you see are extremely self-serving, and usually
comes at the cost of other people's happiness or lives. Yep, that is
sociopathic.

How defeating blight is self-serving many things comes at cost of other peoples happiness and many other peoples do that to improve their lifes doesn't mean they are sociopaths...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 06 février 2014 - 06:23 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Veruin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
I guess i never will understand why guy is so much hated.

If you ignore the rape part, it's generally the same reason people hate the "douchebag" stereotype in real life.  He's a smug, self centered ****.

To be honest at least few characters in da would be described that way and many in video games so i guess rape part still don't get why peoples do big hallo about it when we see plenty murderers and sadist and deal with can be profitable.

LDS Darth Revan wrote...
I do. They die as well.
Because to most people, rape is a terrible thing. But to sociopaths like you I guess it doesn't matter. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Well you know that they are just small part so it doesn't matter and you react very emotionally  so i guess murder , torture and genocide aren't that terrible because peoples still doesn't hate so much characters that are doing that .Great now im sociopath again just for being voice of reason and seeing  opportunity.

Again? This is the first time I've called you such.

And why shouldn't I react emotionally to one of the worst things a person can do to another? And I do not condone torture(actually spoke up against it in the "We want torture in DAI" thread) or genocide either.

[Lulupab]

Veruin wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Maybe it IS yesterdays Anders thread, and you are stuck in a timeloop.

Not enough Rassler and earthshifted goalposts.

Miss me already?

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


Again? This is the first time I've called you such.

And why shouldn't I react emotionally to one of the worst things a person can do to another? And I do not condone torture(actually spoke up against it in the "We want torture in DAI" thread) or genocide either.

You yes but in another forum this title was throwed at me as well.

Worst? Doubt that it is worse than torture or murder for victim... but many try justify as something necessary things like this but then rape oh no just horrible i won't deal with that person...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


Again? This is the first time I've called you such.

And why shouldn't I react emotionally to one of the worst things a person can do to another? And I do not condone torture(actually spoke up against it in the "We want torture in DAI" thread) or genocide either.

You yes but in another forum this title was throwed at me as well.

Worst? Doubt that it is worse than torture or murder for victim... but many try justify as something necessary things like this but then rape oh no just horrible i won't deal with that person...

Oh, I thought you were saying I called you that so I was like .

One of the worst I said, though I say it easily falls under torture considering the psychological trauma a victim would incure from the incident.

[KaiserShep]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Yes you can do that but you won't gain his voice in landsmeet and at this point we shouldn't know that hardly matters. So you wasted his voice just to kill him gaining nothing...

Lol, what the hell do I care about getting his voice at the Landsmeet anyway? No army is going to turn tail and run from the Blight because the no good son of a dead arl is trapped or dead in his own dungeon. That's likely to have as much impact on the war effort as making a hurricane change course by farting in its general direction. I giveth no fecal matter, my good man.

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...


Oh, I thought you were saying I called you that so I was like .

One of the worst I said, though I say it easily falls under torture considering the psychological trauma a victim would incure from the incident.

Nah just your emotional reaction make you think that certainly you would classify thas as torture but rather "softer" one as this left psychological scars there are much worse kind of tortures than that.And death is final. 

KaiserShep wrote...


Lol, what the hell do I care about
getting his voice at the Landsmeet anyway? No army is going to turn
tail and run from the Blight because the no good son of a dead arl is
trapped or dead in his own dungeon. That's likely to have as much impact
on the war effort as making a hurricane change course by farting in its
general direction. I giveth no fecal matter, my good man.

Well maybe you don't care but nobles ,ferelden and traditions do he was arl of denerim son and now his successor so his voice was useful and point of landsmeet was kick out loghain from ruling position so we could successfully kill archdemon and blight if failed army will just follow loghain and they will lost. 

[KaiserShep]

No one cares. His disappearance went largely unnoticed. Howe took over the estate and everyone else was far more concerned about the Blight and who should lead the charge against the darkspawn. The idea that this one fool could be the fulcrum of the war against the Blight would make even Sten laugh. It doesn't matter. My lack of faith in his significance is vindicated by his absence continuing to go unnoticed once the Landsmeet is concluded.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 06 février 2014 - 06:59 .

[thetinyevil]

To answer the original prompt: I think Fiona will make a good leader for the mages. She spent years working within the system to change it and listened to her fellow mages no matter their vote, such as the first vote to separate which was voted down. She didn't choose the best time to take the second vote but I understand why she did it than, she had no idea if they would be allowed to convene again if ever. Her background with the Wardens will also give her some idea how to organize the mages into an army.

[TheKomandorShepard]

KaiserShep wrote...

No one cares. His disappearance went largely unnoticed. Howe took over the estate and everyone else was far more concerned about the Blight and who should lead the charge against the darkspawn. The idea that this one fool could be the fulcrum of the war against the Blight would make even Sten laugh. It doesn't matter. My lack of faith in his significance is vindicated by his absence continuing to go unnoticed once the Landsmeet is concluded.

As i said his disappearance doesn't matter but his presence yes by ferelden law he is new arl of denerim and having voice of arl of denerim is useful especially that you killed previous like it or not his voice matters on landsmeet so killing him because he is rapist (and you don't know that in that point) isn't very practical choice but rather emotional response like alistair on loghain choice.

[thetinyevil]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

No one cares. His disappearance went largely unnoticed. Howe took over the estate and everyone else was far more concerned about the Blight and who should lead the charge against the darkspawn. The idea that this one fool could be the fulcrum of the war against the Blight would make even Sten laugh. It doesn't matter. My lack of faith in his significance is vindicated by his absence continuing to go unnoticed once the Landsmeet is concluded.

As i said his disappearance doesn't matter but his presence yes by ferelden law he is new arl of denerim and having voice of arl of denerim is useful especially that you killed previous like it or not his voice matters on landsmeet so killing him because he is rapist (and you don't know that in that point) isn't very practical choice but rather emotional response like alistair on loghain choice.

Not really, especailly if you could get the Queen on your side. Then the ****** ant rapist vote doesn't matter.

[KaiserShep]

Kendells' voice is about as useful as a hurlock's jock strap.

[TheKomandorShepard]

thetinyevil wrote...


Not really, especailly if you could get the Queen on your side. Then the ****** ant rapist vote doesn't matter.

And what queen only gives you voice but having queen doesn't mean that you will win besides at this point you don't know if you will get her support every voice matters like it or no you need at least 5 voices in landsmeet to win with loghain.And still 5 voices are better than 4 and 6 better than 5.  

KaiserShep wrote...

Kendells' voice is about as useful as a hurlock's jock strap.

Not rly every voice matters in landsmeet as long you are in position to vote and he was...

[Sir JK]

Jeez... this threads grows quickly.

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@Sir JK: Well, the mages will almost definitely rely on guerrilla tactics in their fight, since they don't have the numbers or strength to face the Templars in a straight up fight.

Indeed. One wonders if this was planned for ahead of time though, or if they're making it up as they go. Moreover, most succesful guerilla warfare is done around home where you can hide among friends and family and feed yourself...

Where will the mages hide? What will they eat? They're strangers everywhere.

I'm terribly curious what the answer to that question is.

Rassler wrote...

Well
Fiona indeed manipulates the system but not to get what she wants but
to get what most mages want. Biggest mage fraternities Liberitarians and
Aequitarians back her up, that is like close to 70% of all mages.

If the majority of the mages wants it, why did she lose the vote though?

I don't pretend Circles are perfect or even that great to live in. An aura of palpable fear can't be anything but unbearable, regardless of a full stomach, good clothing and decent bedding. But the last time the college of magi in it's entirety voted they voted not to secede. When she won the vote only the heads of the fraternities cast their votes for their entire groups (and in praxis, whatever Rhys would have voted for would have won).

It's possibly they voted the way they did the first time out of fear, sure. It's possible that she honestly thought the circumstances had changed enough to warrant the vote being redone (probably due to the college being shut down, rather than the Tranquility cure). It's also possible she intentionally made sure the mages would vote as she desired, regardless of whether most mages wanted to or not.

I don't know which. I am terribly curious to finidng out what kind of politician she is. I'm fairly certain she has the well being of mages as her first priority. I'm just wondeirng how clean a game she plays.

[EmperorSahlertz]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Great now im sociopath again [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie] just for being voice of reason and seeing  opportunity. 

Most
of the "oppertunities" you see are extremely self-serving, and usually
comes at the cost of other people's happiness or lives. Yep, that is
sociopathic.

How defeating blight is self-serving many things comes at cost of other peoples happiness and many other peoples do that to improve their lifes doesn't mean they are sociopaths...

Yes, yes it does. That is exactly what it means. They may not be full blown sociopaths, but the pursuit of self-interests at the cost of others and with no regard to others, is a sociopathic tellsign.

[thetinyevil]

It is politics, it is never a clean game.

[TheKomandorShepard]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Great now im sociopath again [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie] just for being voice of reason and seeing  opportunity. 

Most
of the "oppertunities" you see are extremely self-serving, and usually
comes at the cost of other people's happiness or lives. Yep, that is
sociopathic.

How defeating blight is self-serving many things comes at cost of other peoples happiness and many other peoples do that to improve their lifes doesn't mean they are sociopaths...

Yes, yes it does. That is exactly what it means. They may not be full blown sociopaths, but the pursuit of self-interests at the cost of others and with no regard to others, is a sociopathic tellsign.

Are we talking about humans or only about sociopaths? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sir JK wrote...

Jeez... this threads grows quickly.

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

@Sir JK: Well, the mages will almost definitely rely on guerrilla tactics in their fight, since they don't have the numbers or strength to face the Templars in a straight up fight.

Indeed. One wonders if this was planned for ahead of time though, or if they're making it up as they go. Moreover, most succesful guerilla warfare is done around home where you can hide among friends and family and feed yourself...

Where will the mages hide? What will they eat? They're strangers everywhere.

I'm terribly curious what the answer to that question is.

I'm sure they had at least a basic idea of what to do before they started. But by nature guerrilla tactics have to be fluid, so I say it's half they have a plan already and half they'll alter the plan depending on circumstances. 

Instead of hiding among family, chances are they'll hide in remote regions, like deep in the forest or mountains, both of which provide plenty of cover to hide and sustenance to eat. Just look at the Dalish. They've been doing it for centuries.

[SgtSteel91]

It all depends if you want to take a chance with winning the Landsmeet with less favorable odds (no matter how small they seem to you) to bring street justice to Kendells or if winning the Landsmeet matters more than personal feelings.

I rescued Kendells. But I believe Hardened King Alistair isn't going to let Kendells get away with what he could during Calin's rule.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 06 février 2014 - 08:02 .

[Sir JK]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I'm sure they had at least a basic idea of what to do before they started. But by nature guerrilla tactics have to be fluid, so I say it's half they have a plan already and half they'll alter the plan depending on circumstances. 

Instead of hiding among family, chances are they'll hide in remote regions, like deep in the forest or mountains, both of which provide plenty of cover to hide and sustenance to eat. Just look at the Dalish. They've been doing it for centuries.

The thing about remote regions is that there's usually a reason they're remote. It's usually tied to limited means to acquire food. Places with easily acquired tend to be settled. But maybe the mages are few enough in numbers for that not to be a problem.

Of course... this raises another two interesting questions... will the Dalish accept competing over the same areas as the mages? What will the mages have to hit in order to actually hurt the templars if they're hiding in remote regions?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sir JK wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I'm sure they had at least a basic idea of what to do before they started. But by nature guerrilla tactics have to be fluid, so I say it's half they have a plan already and half they'll alter the plan depending on circumstances. 

Instead of hiding among family, chances are they'll hide in remote regions, like deep in the forest or mountains, both of which provide plenty of cover to hide and sustenance to eat. Just look at the Dalish. They've been doing it for centuries.

The thing about remote regions is that there's usually a reason they're remote. It's usually tied to limited means to acquire food. Places with easily acquired tend to be settled. But maybe the mages are few enough in numbers for that not to be a problem.

Of course... this raises another two interesting questions... will the Dalish accept competing over the same areas as the mages? What will the mages have to hit in order to actually hurt the templars if they're hiding in remote regions?

I figured that they would break into small cells, so that's not a real problem. Once set up, the mages primary targets should be the supply chains, especially the lyrium ones. Take away the lyrium, and a Templar is just a guy with a sword as Alistair put it, but also suffering withdrawls and thus easier to hit.

As for the Dalish, that's the interesting part. Will they leave the mages alone, or will the concurrent civil unrest with the elves cause the two to work together in an 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' situation.