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[thetinyevil]

Veruin wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
"All mages are evil and need to be killed"

There I've summed up all yours as well.

The funny part is he never advocated killing them all.  You must be confusing him with TKS.

And I have never said everyone hates mages. I have said the Circle system as is, is evil as is the templar ORDER. Oh and the Chantry sucks and I hate them. But I never said everyone hates mages. 

[TK514]

Veruin wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
"All mages are evil and need to be killed"

There I've summed up all yours as well.

The funny part is he never advocated killing them all.  You must be confusing him with TKS.

Shh.  She doesn't need your silly 'facts' getting in the way of her unsupported assertions.

[thetinyevil]

MisterJB wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

"Everyone thinks mages are evil and everyone is horrible for it."

There, I've just summed up all of thetinyevil's posts

"All mages are evil and need to be killed"

There I've summed up all yours as well.

Find me a single post where I have ever said all mages are evil or advocated killing them. Because there is one where you claimed a character sees all mages as monsters on this very page.
Go on. Actually back up your claims for once.

A character. One. Fenris wasn't. And he does unless you get him to soften his stance oh and Meredith. Two characters. Who are documented in the games to hate mages. So you stated **** that wasn't true and so did I.

[Veruin]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

By 'in anyway', do you mean 'a system in which those with magical capabilities are given a place to learn how to control their talents'?

Anything that would give them restrictions.  Be it integration into society with special laws, be it a circle similar to now, or them living in their own village.

[thetinyevil]

TK514 wrote...

Veruin wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
"All mages are evil and need to be killed"

There I've summed up all yours as well.

The funny part is he never advocated killing them all.  You must be confusing him with TKS.

Shh.  She doesn't need your silly 'facts' getting in the way of her unsupported assertions.

And neither does he huh?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Veruin wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

By 'in anyway', do you mean 'a system in which those with magical capabilities are given a place to learn how to control their talents'?

Anything that would give them restrictions.  Be it integration into society with special laws, be it a circle similar to now, or them living in their own village.

That is pretty close to what I think would work best, yes. I've always called that view set as Pro-Compromise. 

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 06 février 2014 - 11:13 .

[Veruin]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

That mostly fits what I think would work best, yes. I've always called that view set as Pro-Compromise. 

Then you are a filthy mage hater and support being terrible.  Turn in your faux pro-mage badge.

Modifié par Veruin, 06 février 2014 - 11:14 .

[Hellion Rex]

@LDS DArth Revan, you filthy Pro-Templar. I strip you of your pro mage status.

[Veruin]

eluvianix wrote...

@LDS DArth Revan, you filthy Pro-Templar. I strip you of your pro mage status.

Go find your own double agent.  This one's mine. 

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

@LDS DArth Revan, you filthy Pro-Templar. I strip you of your pro mage status.

Go find your own double agent.  This one's mine. 

I'll fight you for him, Templar dog.

[Lulupab]

Martyr1777 wrote...

She changed her opinion of him after being forced through a very extreme experience with him and Maric earning all their respect in a fight.

Lets look at it this way, human noble families have mages to. How is Fiona going to treat them? Mages that have gathered with the rest of them and haven't had a chance to earn that respect in a difficult situation? What about interacting with the nobility on behalf of the mages. They can't exist in their own little universe, they will need to interact with other groups, either seeking aid for the war or simply not pissing off nobles as they travel through their lands.

If it can be shown that Fiona is no longer as judgemental without seeing the whole picture then I would say she has passion that many other pages lack. But everything I've seen from her is anger, not passion. Aidan is like the exact same, they don't think or consider things, just do what they think they should.

Personally, I would never follow a leader like that, why do you think they wanted/needed Rhys (?) to join their faction, they need someone with a more controled moderate personality because noone trusts the hot heads. If Fiona wasn't still the same then she would easily gain all the followeres they could possibly want on their side.

You mean the mages who are automatically a disgrace to their families and cause great scandal among nobles? More likely these mages from noble families will symphatize with Fiona.

Basically all you said was your personal opinion of Fiona acompanied by 'If' (s). Because we don't enter Fiona's thoughts to notice whether she strategize or think before hand so you can't claim she just acts without thinking.

Fiona is one of the few elves that does not hate humans and treat them quite equally, her problems had been with nobility not humans. Her ideas about nobles are either changed completely or she sees them less of threat and would work with them if necessary. So far she has shown that she is willing to go as far as morality allows to achieve her goal making her one of the good ones. I'm quite sure in fact that if working with nobles would help mage's cause she would agree to it in a heartbeat.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hmm, how to respond to eluvianix's and Veruin's fight over which team I'm on...

[Veruin]

I represent Cherry pie and Eluvian represents Key Lime pie. Choose wisely.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The bait has been unleashed.

[MisterJB]

thetinyevil wrote...
A character. One. Fenris wasn't. And he does unless you get him to soften his stance oh and Meredith. Two characters. Who are documented in the games to hate mages. So you stated **** that wasn't true and so did I.

thetinyevil wrote...
She is a mage, is isn't allowed to judge a group becasue of one bad experince, ignoring the fact that most nobles aren't actually all the noble.

thetinyevil wrote...
Yeah the mages are so thankless, how dare they wish to be treated like people. Silly mages you aren't people, your tools.

Here's you implying pro-Templars treat mages in an universal manner as tools. Twice

thetinyevil wrote...Leliana is as anti-mage as you can get. Listen to what she has to say when you talk to her during Sebastian quest. She blames the mages completely for what going on in Kirkwall and wants the Exlated March as much as Meredith wants the R.O.A

Here's you accusing Leliana of being anti-mage and wanting an Exalted March.

thetinyevil wrote...
Well for one Fiona did change her opinion even if it was just a little. Meredith refused to see mages as nothing but blood mages and monsters.

Here's you accusing Meredith of thinking of mages as nothing but monsters.

thetinyevil wrote...
In both games I seen a total of two templars who didn't think this way, no wait maybe three. Don't say Greagoir he thinks the way the Qunair handle their mages is the way to go.

Here's you accusing Gregoir of the same plus claiming that you've only seen two Templars who don't think this way.

thetinyevil wrote...

They pretty much did say "Haha, stupid mage. Carry on Ser Alrik!".

Here's you accusing Templars of supporting Ser Alrik.

 Hell Cullen didn't care about the Harrowed mages being made Tranquil in fact he wanted to use Alrik's "Tranquil Solution".

Here's you accusing Cullen of supporting the Tranquil Solution.

thetinyevil wrote...
They aren't treated like people, they aren't even seen as people.

Here's you accusing the Chantry of not seeing the mages as people.

There's more but I think I've made my point.

[TK514]

thetinyevil wrote...

A character. One. Fenris wasn't. And he does unless you get him to soften his stance oh and Meredith. Two characters. Who are documented in the games to hate mages. So you stated **** that wasn't true and so did I.

Meredith doesn't hate Mages.  There a scene where she outright begs Hawke, begs him, to give her a reason for lenience.  

Another scene where she explicitly states to a Mage Hawke that she knew he was an Apostate and specifically did not have him brought into the Circle because of the good he did.

Now, she certainly didn't trust Mages, and she was strict (moving into insanely paranoid due to Red Lyrium), but she did not hate them.  If she had hated them, she was in a position to make their lives ever so much more, shall we say, Tranquil.  Yet she didn't.  She was in a position to completely ignore Orsino, yet she didn't.  There are so many things she could have done had she actually hated them, and yet she didn't.

of course, in the end she goes lyrium crazy and tries to kill everyone, but at that point I think we can safely say she wasn't herself.

[Cainhurst Crow]

@thetinyevil

Take this, you're gonna need it.

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...
Meredith doesn't hate Mages.  There a scene where she outright begs Hawke, begs him, to give her a reason for lenience. 

Another scene where she explicitly states to a Mage Hawke that she knew he was an Apostate and specifically did not have him brought into the Circle because of the good he did.

Now, she certainly didn't trust Mages, and she was strict (moving into insanely paranoid due to Red Lyrium), but she did not hate them.  If she had hated them, she was in a position to make their lives ever so much more, shall we say, Tranquil.  Yet she didn't.  She was in a position to completely ignore Orsino, yet she didn't.  There are so many things she could have done had she actually hated them, and yet she didn't.

of course, in the end she goes lyrium crazy and tries to kill everyone, but at that point I think we can safely say she wasn't herself.

Bolded 1. I actually really liked that bit of dialogue.
Bolded 2. I don't remember that scene though.

[Cainhurst Crow]

She tells you this when she summons you in act 3, I think.

[Hellion Rex]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

She tells you this when she summons you in act 3, I think.

Oh, gotcha. It's been a while since I've played DA2.

[Cainhurst Crow]

No problem.

[Lulupab]

Meh, Meredith threatens apostate Hawke that she will change his opinion of him/her in an instant if Hawke refuses to help following up with rest of quest giving you no choice not to refuse. (act 3)

[thetinyevil]

MisterJB wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
A character. One. Fenris wasn't. And he does unless you get him to soften his stance oh and Meredith. Two characters. Who are documented in the games to hate mages. So you stated **** that wasn't true and so did I.

thetinyevil wrote...
She is a mage, is isn't allowed to judge a group becasue of one bad experince, ignoring the fact that most nobles aren't actually all the noble.

thetinyevil wrote...
Yeah the mages are so thankless, how dare they wish to be treated like people. Silly mages you aren't people, your tools.

Here's you implying pro-Templars treat mages in an universal manner as tools. Twice.

Well that is what was said. Fiona couldn't judge all nobles harshly becasue why? Because she is an elf no, Fenris is an elf and gets away with it. Is it because she is a woman, nope Meredith is a women. That leaves one reason why she can't distrust nobles. Becasue she is a mage.

As for the mages not being people, well they live in a hell hole where the only thing they know for sure is that a templar can cut them down call them a blood mage and than go back to work as if nothing happened. And supporting this system that does dehumanize people and treats them as tools what else should I think?

thetinyevil wrote...Leliana is as anti-mage as you can get. Listen to what she has to say when you talk to her during Sebastian quest. She blames the mages completely for what going on in Kirkwall and wants the Exlated March as much as Meredith wants the R.O.A

Here's you accusing Leliana of being anti-mage and wanting an Exalted March.

She is and does. Listen to her what she says. She is really anti mage nd wanted the Exlated March. 

thetinyevil wrote...
Well for one Fiona did change her opinion even if it was just a little. Meredith refused to see mages as nothing but blood mages and monsters.

Here's you accusing Meredith of thinking of mages as nothing but monsters.

Did you even play DA2? Meredith hated mages and though they were nothing but monsters. What **** do you think and abmonation is? A puppy?

thetinyevil wrote...
In both games I seen a total of two templars who didn't think this way, no wait maybe three. Don't say Greagoir he thinks the way the Qunair handle their mages is the way to go.

Here's you accusing Gregoir of the same plus claiming that you've only seen two Templars who don't think this way.

And I only seen two templars who didn't hate mages. Karen and Thrask. In both games those were the only two. Well the names ones who died during that quest.

thetinyevil wrote...

They pretty much did say "Haha, stupid mage. Carry on Ser Alrik!".

Here's you accusing Templars of supporting Ser Alrik.

How the hell else did he get away with it for SIX YEARS? Someone had to have noticed something was wrong when Harrowed Mages who were protected by Chantry law were being made tranquil. Are you saying that every templar in the Gallows was completely incompotent? 

 Hell Cullen didn't care about the Harrowed mages being made Tranquil in fact he wanted to use Alrik's "Tranquil Solution".

Here's you accusing Cullen of supporting the Tranquil Solution.

Listen to his diolouge after Disent. He supports it.

thetinyevil wrote...
They aren't treated like people, they aren't even seen as people.

Here's you accusing the Chantry of not seeing the mages as people.

There's more but I think I've made my point.

Your point is not made. You have take most everything out of context so no your point is not made.

[Cainhurst Crow]

We're going to need more burn heal for tinyevil is this keeps up.