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[thetinyevil]

TK514 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

A character. One. Fenris wasn't. And he does unless you get him to soften his stance oh and Meredith. Two characters. Who are documented in the games to hate mages. So you stated **** that wasn't true and so did I.

Meredith doesn't hate Mages.  There a scene where she outright begs Hawke, begs him, to give her a reason for lenience.  

Another scene where she explicitly states to a Mage Hawke that she knew he was an Apostate and specifically did not have him brought into the Circle because of the good he did.

Now, she certainly didn't trust Mages, and she was strict (moving into insanely paranoid due to Red Lyrium), but she did not hate them.  If she had hated them, she was in a position to make their lives ever so much more, shall we say, Tranquil.  Yet she didn't.  She was in a position to completely ignore Orsino, yet she didn't.  There are so many things she could have done had she actually hated them, and yet she didn't.

of course, in the end she goes lyrium crazy and tries to kill everyone, but at that point I think we can safely say she wasn't herself.

You thought she actually meant that? She did hated mages even before the idol, does the name Karl ring a bell? She knew about that and what did she do? Set up a trap. Yeah she just loved mages.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Okay. Strap in folks. We're heading into conspiracy theory territory now.

Word of caution, once this ride starts it never ends, and so refunds are pretty much out of the question, dig?

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 07 février 2014 - 12:09 .

[thetinyevil]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Okay. Strap in folks. We're heading into conspiracy theory territory now.

WTF does this even mean?

[Hellion Rex]

thetinyevil wrote...

You thought she actually meant that? She did hated mages even before the idol, does the name Karl ring a bell? She knew about that and what did she do? Set up a trap. Yeah she just loved mages.

In regards to Karl....

[Heimdall]

thetinyevil wrote...

You thought she actually meant that? She did hated mages even before the idol, does the name Karl ring a bell? She knew about that and what did she do? Set up a trap. Yeah she just loved mages.

Setting a trap for a loose abomination running the streets unhindered...  Yeah, I don't think that qualifies as an act of hatred.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 07 février 2014 - 12:12 .

[BlueMagitek]

I believe you're being accused of throwing out ideas with little truth behind them.

[Dave of Canada]

thetinyevil wrote...

You thought she actually meant that? She did hated mages even before the idol, does the name Karl ring a bell? She knew about that and what did she do? Set up a trap. Yeah she just loved mages.

Woah, a mage is planning an escape with a wanted apostate/abomination/grey warden deserter and the abusive under-handed Templar known as Alrik--known for going behind Meredith's back and doing illegal tranquilities--does an illegal tranquility behind Meredith's back?

I'm shocked. SHOCKED.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 07 février 2014 - 12:15 .

[Heimdall]

eluvianix wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

You thought she actually meant that? She did hated mages even before the idol, does the name Karl ring a bell? She knew about that and what did she do? Set up a trap. Yeah she just loved mages.

In regards to Karl....

Huh, that explains a lot.

[Cainhurst Crow]

thetinyevil wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Okay. Strap in folks. We're heading into conspiracy theory territory now.

WTF does this even mean?

you're pretty much saying events in the game aren't true because your ideas of a character don't match what was presented in game.

That sounds like conspiracy territory to me.

[Lulupab]

Lord Aesir wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

You thought she actually meant that? She did hated mages even before the idol, does the name Karl ring a bell? She knew about that and what did she do? Set up a trap. Yeah she just loved mages.

In regards to Karl....

Huh, that explains a lot.

Many players miss that letter, its lootable from a templar during the fight in chantry but after all of the Templars are killed the game instantly goes to the scenes and you leave the chantry, if you go back the corpses are not there. You need ro loot it during the fight.

[thetinyevil]

Lord Aesir wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

You thought she actually meant that? She did hated mages even before the idol, does the name Karl ring a bell? She knew about that and what did she do? Set up a trap. Yeah she just loved mages.

Setting a trap for a loose abomination running the streets unhindered...  Yeah, I don't think that qualifies as an act of hatred.

She didn't know he was an abomination though. Just a mage. Who was doing more for the poor and the refugees than she or the Chantry was.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Veruin wrote...

I represent Cherry pie and Eluvian represents Key Lime pie. Choose wisely.

Umm...

[thetinyevil]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Okay. Strap in folks. We're heading into conspiracy theory territory now.

WTF does this even mean?

you're pretty much saying events in the game aren't true because your ideas of a character don't match what was presented in game.

That sounds like conspiracy territory to me.

Interperting a character a different way isn't saying it isn't true. Its saying I heard that line differently.

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...
Many players miss that letter, its lootable from a templar during the fight in chantry but after all of the Templars are killed the game instantly goes to the scenes and you leave the chantry, if you go back the corpses are not there. You need ro loot it during the fight.

Exactly. I never knew about this letter until about a month ago, when Raijin found it.

[MisterJB]

thetinyevil wrote...
Your point is not made. You have take most everything out of context so no your point is not made.

I accuse you of the majority of your posts being about how you think everyone hates mages and present proof.
Then, you actually try to defend your position of why you think all those people you mentioned hate mages thus proving my point.

Also, I don't think you understand how "context" works. If I say "You think Leliana hates mages" and your response is "She totally does" then you are basically telling me I got the context right since the context is "You think Leliana hates mages."

[Cainhurst Crow]

thetinyevil wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Okay. Strap in folks. We're heading into conspiracy theory territory now.

WTF does this even mean?

you're pretty much saying events in the game aren't true because your ideas of a character don't match what was presented in game.

That sounds like conspiracy territory to me.

Interperting a character a different way isn't saying it isn't true. Its saying I heard that line differently.

You said she was lying and that it wasn't true, that she was faking and was surprised people believed her.

[Lulupab]

 Fiona  come back to the topic.

[thetinyevil]

MisterJB wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...
Your point is not made. You have take most everything out of context so no your point is not made.

I accuse you of the majority of your posts being about how you think everyone hates mages and present proof.
Then, you actually try to defend your position of why you think all those people you mentioned hate mages thus proving my point.

Also, I don't think you understand how "context" works. If I say "You think Leliana hates mages" and your response is "She totally does" then you are basically telling me I got the context right since the context is "You think Leliana hates mages."

What am I supposed to back peddle and say that's not what I mean. I know I said these people hate mages. And I think they do and I will not change my opion nor will I apologize for it. I don't like Leliana, not even in Origins. Her dialouge was really anti-mage and seemed to support the Exalted March and I will stick to this belief. 

And I stick with my thoughts that if you are pro-templar you are anti-mage. Because their is no way someone can support the templars and not hate mages. I have stated that plainly several time.

[LobselVith8]

Veruin wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

So we're vilifying Fiona because she distrusted human nobles, after being repeatedly raped, abused, tortured, and dehumanized for years by one?

More like seeing it as idiotic.  Or is it ok to hate everyone because one guy screwed you over?  Everyone should remember this next time a mage screws up.  Then they can hate them all.

I'm not in the habit of condemning rape victims for still dealing with their traumatic experiences. I also don't consider them idiots for it, either. Fiona was from Orlais, after all.

Veruin wrote...

Of course, I'm not sure why I'm bothering.  You've shown elves are basically justified to do whatever because humans are bad. 

Try addressing reality the next time you speak about me.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 07 février 2014 - 12:28 .

[Hellion Rex]

Ok. Fine. Let's return to topic, ladies and gents. Who likes Fiona? Who want to kill her? Who could care less? Discuss.

[MisterJB]

And thus we go back to my original post:
"Everyone hates mages and everyone is horrible for it". composes 99% of tinyevil's posts.

Could you at least change the avatar? You're ruining Miranda for me.

[AresKeith]

eluvianix wrote...

Ok. Fine. Let's return to topic, ladies and gents. Who likes Fiona? Who want to kill her? Who could care less? Discuss.

I'd rather make her tranquil

Now Adrian on the other hand...

[thetinyevil]

MisterJB wrote...

And thus we go back to my original post:
"Everyone hates mages and everyone is horrible for it". composes 99% of tinyevil's posts.

Could you at least change the avatar? You're ruining Miranda for me.

No to both.

Modifié par thetinyevil, 07 février 2014 - 12:33 .

[MisterJB]

see next post.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 février 2014 - 12:38 .

[LobselVith8]

Martyr1777 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

So we're vilifying Fiona because she distrusted human nobles, after being repeatedly raped, abused, tortured, and dehumanized for years by one?

You said it yourself... ONE.

I hate an number of people, I don't go around assuming people with even a remotely similar background should be hated because of that.

Yes its very easy to see how a person could feel that way... The point isn't that she does feel that way and she should or shouldn't be like that.

But that is not the case at all. The real point is a person with those kind of feelings is a terrible leader because they let their feelings control them not their heads. 

So Fiona is a terrible leader because she was repeatedly raped and abused until she killed her attacker, she was then confined to a Circle Tower that she wanted to be freed from, she was still dealing with her years of abuse and torture when she met Maric, and she overcome her issues on her own?

Let's just say I strongly disagree.