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[Dave of Canada]

eluvianix wrote...

Ok. Fine. Let's return to topic, ladies and gents. Who likes Fiona? Who want to kill her? Who could care less? Discuss.

Have her quartered infront of the White Spire along with the Divine and Adrian to celebrate the coronation of a new Divine and an end of the conflict, renewing people's confidence in the Chantry and Templar as they unite to fight against the Fade tears.

[Lulupab]

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Ok. Fine. Let's return to topic, ladies and gents. Who likes Fiona? Who want to kill her? Who could care less? Discuss.

I'd rather make her tranquil

Now Adrian on the other hand...

Meh, suit yourself. But wanna bet she will cure herself? That woman is RELENTLESS.

Also inb4 Fiona is actually very good looking and thanks to engine we get to see the details. Fanboys piling up. Damaged beautiful elf possibily leading a rebellion? too good to resist.

I won't kill Adrian personally but she deserves whatever you guys want to do with her.

Modifié par Rassler, 07 février 2014 - 12:41 .

[MisterJB]

thetinyevil wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

And thus we go back to my original post:
"Everyone hates mages and everyone is horrible for it". composes 99% of tinyevil's posts.

Could you at least change the avatar? You're ruining Miranda for me.

No to both.

I was wondering if you were being brave enough on your previous post to own up to your beliefs and stick by them regardless of what I think or whether you're just not intelligent enough to realize you have been proving me more and more right with each response.

Clearly, it's option B.
And with that, I'm done with you.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 février 2014 - 12:37 .

[Dave of Canada]

Rassler wrote...

Also inb4 Fiona is actually very good looking and thanks to engine we get to see the details. Fanboys piling up. Damaged beautiful elf possibily leading a rebellion? too good to resist.

Fanboys--least on the BSN--only like their waifus pure as driven snow.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 07 février 2014 - 12:38 .

[thetinyevil]

MisterJB wrote...

I was wondering if you were being brave enough on your previous post to own up to your beliefs and stick by them regardless of what I think or whether you're just not intelligent enough to realize you have been proving me more and more right with each response.

Clearly, it's option B.

I don't think everyone one hates mages and are horrible for it. I think only some people hate mages and are horrible for it. Not everyone there is a difference there. 

Modifié par thetinyevil, 07 février 2014 - 12:42 .

[LobselVith8]

thetinyevil wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I wonder if all those forumites who claim Meredith is unfit to lead because of her negative past experiences with mages would say the same about Fiona.

Well for one Fiona did change her opinion even if it was just a little. Meredith refused to see mages as nothing but blood mages and monsters. I don't think Meredith would have had a child with a mage. Do you? 

Frankly, Fiona never attempted to commit genocide against an entire population of people for something they didn't do. Fiona's behavior with Maric doesn't put her in the same level as the Knight-Commander who had a death squad killing people in broad daylight, like the civilian who fed her starved and tortured mage cousin. Fiona overcomes her issues. Meredith, on the other hand, ordered hundreds of men, women, and children killed to appease a hypothetical mob who would want mages killed simply for being mages.

[Cainhurst Crow]

All this talk about tranquility and such, do the tranquil have a right of choice in whether they remain tranquil? Like, we may see it as curing them, but what do they see it as? Would they view it like a recovered addict being made to take drugs again? The highs of euphoria and satisfaction that drugs illicit within the brain could be seen as the same type of altered state tranquil become when they are cured.

So would it be morally acceptable if a tranquil didn't want to be cured, but were cured regardless?

[thetinyevil]

MisterJB wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

And thus we go back to my original post:
"Everyone hates mages and everyone is horrible for it". composes 99% of tinyevil's posts.

Could you at least change the avatar? You're ruining Miranda for me.

No to both.

I was wondering if you were being brave enough on your previous post to own up to your beliefs and stick by them regardless of what I think or whether you're just not intelligent enough to realize you have been proving me more and more right with each response.

Clearly, it's option B.
And with that, I'm done with you.

Oh God NO!! I really am sobbing right now. Big tears so sad I may end my own life in my grief.

[AresKeith]

Rassler wrote...

Meh, suit yourself. But wanna bet she will cure herself? That woman is RELENTLESS.

If you say so

[thetinyevil]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

All this talk about tranquility and such, do the tranquil have a right of choice in whether they remain tranquil? Like, we may see it as curing them, but what do they see it as? Would they view it like a recovered addict being made to take drugs again? The highs of euphoria and satisfaction that drugs illicit within the brain could be seen as the same type of altered state tranquil become when they are cured.

So would it be morally acceptable if a tranquil didn't want to be cured, but were cured regardless?

I don't think the tranquil would have much of an opinion in the matter.

[Hellion Rex]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

All this talk about tranquility and such, do the tranquil have a right of choice in whether they remain tranquil? Like, we may see it as curing them, but what do they see it as? Would they view it like a recovered addict being made to take drugs again? The highs of euphoria and satisfaction that drugs illicit within the brain could be seen as the same type of altered state tranquil become when they are cured.

So would it be morally acceptable if a tranquil didn't want to be cured, but were cured regardless?

I'm just going off of what I saw from both Karl and Pharamond, I would cure them in a heartbeat. However, if they had legitimate reason for being made Tranquil, like hurting others with magic, or using blood magic for nefarious purposes, than I would keep them Tranquil.

[The Hierophant]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Meredith, on the other hand, ordered hundreds of men, women, and children killed to appease a hypothetical mob who would want mages killed simply for being mages.

Is this pre lyrium idol Meredith?

[Veruin]

The Hierophant wrote...
Is this pre lyrium idol Meredith?

Of course not.  She's human and a templar.  The purest form of evil.  Doesn't even need a lyrium idol.

[Cainhurst Crow]

LobselVith8 wrote...

thetinyevil wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I wonder if all those forumites who claim Meredith is unfit to lead because of her negative past experiences with mages would say the same about Fiona.

Well for one Fiona did change her opinion even if it was just a little. Meredith refused to see mages as nothing but blood mages and monsters. I don't think Meredith would have had a child with a mage. Do you? 

Frankly, Fiona never attempted to commit genocide against an entire population of people for something they didn't do. Fiona's behavior with Maric doesn't put her in the same level as the Knight-Commander who had a death squad killing people in broad daylight, like the civilian who fed her starved and tortured mage cousin. Fiona overcomes her issues. Meredith, on the other hand, ordered hundreds of men, women, and children killed to appease a hypothetical mob who would want mages killed simply for being mages.

I think you mean simply for blowing up the most important building in the whole city and everyone in it. As far as the common man knows, a mage blew up the chantry because they wanted all mages to be free. Any people, mages, nonmages, dwarves, elves, humans, even qunari, would be wanting blood if such a travesty was done to them, and the first peoeple they'd look for revenge would be those who this act was theoretically for. You can argue her method for doing this is wrong, but you can't say she did it for ****s and giggles.

So really meredith might be entirely correct in fearing the reaction that the common folk will feel after the chantry blew up. A lot of people make fun of sebastion but his reaction is probably the most realisitc and normal out of everyone there.

[MisterJB]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Frankly, Fiona never attempted to commit genocide against an entire population of people for something they didn't do. Fiona's behavior with Maric doesn't put her in the same level as the Knight-Commander who had a death squad killing people in broad daylight, like the civilian who fed her starved and tortured mage cousin. Fiona overcomes her issues. Meredith, on the other hand, ordered hundreds of men, women, and children killed to appease a hypothetical mob who would want mages killed simply for being mages.

I'm not asking whether their behavior is on the same level. I am asking that if one denies Meredith a position of authority due to her negative past experiences with mages, why wouldn't one also do the same to Fiona due to her negative past experiences with normal people?

Oh and Fiona was only willing to start a continental war. At least Meredith has the Red Lyrium as an excuse.

[Cainhurst Crow]

thetinyevil wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

All this talk about tranquility and such, do the tranquil have a right of choice in whether they remain tranquil? Like, we may see it as curing them, but what do they see it as? Would they view it like a recovered addict being made to take drugs again? The highs of euphoria and satisfaction that drugs illicit within the brain could be seen as the same type of altered state tranquil become when they are cured.

So would it be morally acceptable if a tranquil didn't want to be cured, but were cured regardless?

I don't think the tranquil would have much of an opinion in the matter.

They seem to have an opinion whenever someone criticizes that they feel sorry for them or don't think of them as people. In fact in DAO you could get into a decent philisophical debate with owain over being a tranquil and whether that's good or not.

[LobselVith8]

thetinyevil wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

I was wondering if you were being brave enough on your previous post to own up to your beliefs and stick by them regardless of what I think or whether you're just not intelligent enough to realize you have been proving me more and more right with each response.

Clearly, it's option B.

I don't think everyone one hates mages and are horrible for it. I think only some people hate mages and are horrible for it. Not everyone there is a difference there. 

I take it a Knight-Commander who illegally seizes political power and who commits genocide against hundreds of innocent people falls in that category?

When an entire population of mages can legally be killed simply for being mages, I think someone like Fiona would take a stand against another millennia of mages living in servitude to the Chantry.

[Heimdall]

I thought Fiona was alright in the Calling. I was not as enchanted by her uncompromising character in Asunder. Never been a fan of people that throw negotiation aside to rush into a war, especially knowing how many innocent Mage will be killed by a decision they have no part in, not to mention doing it in the presence of he Lord Seeker.

To the chopping block... Or maybe drawn an quartered? Impalement? So many options now that Tranquility's out...

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Aesir wrote...

I thought Fiona was alright in the Calling. I was not as enchanted by her uncompromising character in Asunder. Never been a fan of people that throw negotiation aside to rush into a war, especially knowing how many innocent Mage will be killed by a decision they have no part in, not to mention doing it in the presence of he Lord Seeker.

To the chopping block... Or maybe drawn an quartered? Impalement? So many options now that Tranquility's out...

Well...as of now Rhys is the only one who knows the ritual, but then again, with demons crossing through the shredded tears, all it might require is physical contact with a Tranquil, and then poof!

[The Hierophant]

Veruin wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Is this pre lyrium idol Meredith?

Of course not.  She's human and a templar.  The purest form of evil. Doesn't even need a lyrium idol.

Can't argue with this logic. lulz

[LobselVith8]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Frankly, Fiona never attempted to commit genocide against an entire population of people for something they didn't do. Fiona's behavior with Maric doesn't put her in the same level as the Knight-Commander who had a death squad killing people in broad daylight, like the civilian who fed her starved and tortured mage cousin. Fiona overcomes her issues. Meredith, on the other hand, ordered hundreds of men, women, and children killed to appease a hypothetical mob who would want mages killed simply for being mages. 

I think you mean simply for blowing up the most important building in the whole city and everyone in it. As far as the common man knows, a mage blew up the chantry because they wanted all mages to be free. Any people, mages, nonmages, dwarves, elves, humans, even qunari, would be wanting blood if such a travesty was done to them, and the first peoeple they'd look for revenge would be those who this act was theoretically for. You can argue her method for doing this is wrong, but you can't say she did it for ****s and giggles.

So really meredith might be entirely correct in fearing the reaction that the common folk will feel after the chantry blew up. A lot of people make fun of sebastion but his reaction is probably the most realisitc and normal out of everyone there. 

Except all those people aren't responsible for Anders' actions, so they are all being condemned to death for being mages. Meredith says, time and again, that they need to die because the people "will demand blood".

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

Veruin wrote...

I hope they can keep lyrium supply lines cut off for months. Since Gaider said that the abilties are active for quite awhile after.

"Although as Alistair proves, they can use the ability for a long time afterwards."

They can keep their abilites for months, but can the Templars keep their cool when they are not feeding their addiction?

My guess is that if caught early enough, you could probably wean (sp?) a Templar off. But for an experienced Templar, the lyrium is just as much as a power boost as it is to keep their sanity.

Prolonged use of Lyrium has an adverse effect on the Templars sanity. The usage of Lyrium does nothing to prevent that.
However, Lyrium is an addictive substance, so it will take discipline and strength of character to overcome it. Luckily the Tempars are taught a whole deal of discipline, so only the weaker Templars will ever succumb to the withdrawal.

[Banxey]

Does anyone know why Meredith wanted the red lyrium in the first place? I can't remember if it was mentioned. It would have been expensive and she must have known there was a potential danger to having it around.

[BlueMagitek]

LobselVith8 wrote...

So Fiona is a terrible leader because she was repeatedly raped and abused until she killed her attacker, she was then confined to a Circle Tower that she wanted to be freed from, she was still dealing with her years of abuse and torture when she met Maric, and she overcome her issues on her own?

Let's just say I strongly disagree.

You are aware that those don't display leadership abilities, right?

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Frankly, Fiona never attempted to commit genocide against an entire population of people for something they didn't do. Fiona's behavior with Maric doesn't put her in the same level as the Knight-Commander who had a death squad killing people in broad daylight, like the civilian who fed her starved and tortured mage cousin. Fiona overcomes her issues. Meredith, on the other hand, ordered hundreds of men, women, and children killed to appease a hypothetical mob who would want mages killed simply for being mages. 

I'm not asking whether their behavior is on the same level. I am asking that if one denies Meredith a position of authority due to her negative past experiences with mages, why wouldn't one also do the same to Fiona due to her negative past experiences with normal people?

Fiona overcame her issues, and she represented fellow mages when she returned to the Circle - unlike Meredith, who ruled over mages who were at her mercy.

MisterJB wrote...

Oh and Fiona was only willing to start a continental war. At least Meredith has the Red Lyrium as an excuse.

Fiona wanted to free her people from an oppressive institution condemned by some as slavery =/= committing genocide against hundreds who are innocent of Anders' actions.