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[The Baconer]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Seeing as how we never needed a boat to get here, I doubt it.

That's how you get there during the last quest. You can even see it across the water at the docks.

And what does that have to do with anything? If we can get there at any time, even during a rite of annulement, what makes you think others couldn't get there as well? As strong as the templars and mages are, if the whole city turns on them, they'll both be screwed and overrrun.

I thought protecting the mages from society was also part of their job? Why shouldn't the largest military body in the city, which is already powerful enough to override the standard governmental process, be able to protect a fortress that can only be reached by boat or secret tunnels?

Then meredith will use the idol, and orsino will use his blood magic, and the entire city of kirkwall will be completely destroyed as thousands of citizen rioters are massacured by the two.

meh, Kirkwall.

[Cainhurst Crow]

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[Cainhurst Crow]

And how come when we talk about a few hundred mages dying everyone gets up in arms about it and saying how it's horrible and we need to stop it, but when the thought of thousands of people in kirkwall being slaughtered wholesay, innocent men, women, and children from all walks of life, people just go meh?

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are.

[BlueMagitek]

Because mages are special and "oppressed" by the religious faction, so people transfer existing issues over against the system?

[Veruin]

C'mon man.  You  should know how the BSN works.  Humans are terrible while mages and elves are the downtrodden underdogs and are as pure as the driven snow.  Meanwhile the dwarves are the ones actually suffering and no one gives a damn.

BlueMagitek wrote...

Because mages are special and "oppressed" by the religious faction, so people transfer existing issues over against the system?

Also this.  It's not even limited to just mages.

Modifié par Veruin, 07 février 2014 - 01:20 .

[The Baconer]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

And how come when we talk about a few hundred mages dying everyone gets up in arms about it and saying how it's horrible and we need to stop it, but when the thought of thousands of people in kirkwall being slaughtered wholesay, innocent men, women, and children from all walks of life, people just go meh?

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are.

Why would children be trying to lynch mages? Why would you even call a lynch-mob innocent?

Modifié par The Baconer, 07 février 2014 - 01:20 .

[The Hierophant]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

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"Whoever wins, we all lose." - Movie Narrator Guy

[BlueMagitek]

Veruin wrote...

C'mon man.  You  should know how the BSN works.  Humans are terrible while mages and elves are the downtrodden underdogs and are as pure as the driven snow.  Meanwhile the dwarves are the ones actually suffering and no one gives a damn.

So few threads about improving the casteless.  Or how horrid the caste system is in general.  Oh, and the darkspawn and the inevitable decline of the dwarves through attrition.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The Baconer wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

And how come when we talk about a few hundred mages dying everyone gets up in arms about it and saying how it's horrible and we need to stop it, but when the thought of thousands of people in kirkwall being slaughtered wholesay, innocent men, women, and children from all walks of life, people just go meh?

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are.

Why would children be trying to lynch mages? Why would you even call a lynch-mob innocent?

Because you can't judge them for wanting to exact revenge on people who they think are responsible and people tend to band together and find satefy in numbers? And let's not pretend children haven't been part of some horrific mob incidents.

And If the goddamn circle and the fist enchanter was killed by a single rogue templar because he wanted mages to die, what do you think their reaction would be? Civil discussion of the issue or a banning together to kill all the templars out of vengence?

[Veruin]

BlueMagitek wrote...

So few threads about improving the casteless.  Or how horrid the caste system is in general.  Oh, and the darkspawn and the inevitable decline of the dwarves through attrition.

Aren't they at a bigger risk for extinction than the elves?  If I recall correctly, they're down to their last two strongholds.

[MisterJB]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Veruin wrote...

C'mon man.  You  should know how the BSN works.  Humans are terrible while mages and elves are the downtrodden underdogs and are as pure as the driven snow.  Meanwhile the dwarves are the ones actually suffering and no one gives a damn.

So few threads about improving the casteless.  Or how horrid the caste system is in general.  Oh, and the darkspawn and the inevitable decline of the dwarves through attrition.

Well, that's because those threads just wouldn't go anywhere.

"Boy, that caste system sure is horrible, unjust and wasteful specially while the dwarves are almost extinct. Someone should do something about it.

Oh yeah, definitively.

I agree completely.

Maybe the Inquisitor will have the opportunity of doing something about it.

I hope so."

And that's probably it.

[BlueMagitek]

Veruin wrote...

Aren't they at a bigger risk for extinction than the elves?  If I recall correctly, they're down to their last two strongholds.

I'm not an expert on the dwarves, but I believe they're down to Kal-Sharok and Orzammar, but there was a reference to the Stone Under Orlais in the Leliana DLC, so there might be a few more outposts.  And it sounds like Kal-Sharok had to do some really extreme things to survive the darkspawn, but I don't know how true that is.

But yes, dwarves are basically in constant battle with darkspawn. 

None of the above matters, however, because we have to talk about elves interbreeding with humans leading to only more humans.

[Heimdall]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Veruin wrote...

C'mon man.  You  should know how the BSN works.  Humans are terrible while mages and elves are the downtrodden underdogs and are as pure as the driven snow.  Meanwhile the dwarves are the ones actually suffering and no one gives a damn.

So few threads about improving the casteless.  Or how horrid the caste system is in general.  Oh, and the darkspawn and the inevitable decline of the dwarves through attrition.

There are so few threads because people generally AGREE those are bad thins.  What would they argue about? 

[BlueMagitek]

MisterJB wrote...

Well, that's because those threads just wouldn't go anywhere.

"Boy, that caste system sure is horrible, unjust and wasteful specially while the dwarves are almost extinct. Someone should do something about it.

Oh yeah, definitively.

I agree completely.

Maybe the Inquisitor will have the opportunity of doing something about it.

I hope so."

And that's probably it.

Ah yes, I forgot how everyone runs on vitrol. 

Edit:

To Lord A, you can always argue about the means and how to best deal with the constant blight. 

Modifié par BlueMagitek, 07 février 2014 - 01:29 .

[Veruin]

Lord Aesir wrote...
There are so few threads because people generally AGREE those are bad thins.  What would they argue about? 

Different suggestions to improve it. :innocent:

But then of course, since everyone is on the same page, no one can get their feeling of being morally superior like they do in the other threads.

[LobselVith8]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

And how come when we talk about a few hundred mages dying everyone gets up in arms about it and saying how it's horrible and we need to stop it, but when the thought of thousands of people in kirkwall being slaughtered wholesay, innocent men, women, and children from all walks of life, people just go meh?

What a bunch of hypocrites you all are.

Is that a reference to opposition to the Chantry controlled Circles? I don't think opposing the templars having "dominion over mages by divine right" means that those people support the senseless slaughter of innocent people.

[Cainhurst Crow]

This whole conversation turn feels like a bad allegory, but I don't want to say for what.

[addiction21]

BlueMagitek wrote...


Ah yes, I forgot how everyone runs on vitrol. 

Not me. Waffles and cynicism in the morning and maybe a side of melodrama from the BSN in the morning.

[BlueMagitek]

addiction21 wrote...

Not me. Waffles and cynicism in the morning and maybe a side of melodrama from the BSN in the morning.

You have time for breakfast?  Lucky.  I get by on crackers and water. 

[The Baconer]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
Because you can't judge them for wanting to exact revenge on people who they think are responsible and people tend to band together and find satefy in numbers? And let's not pretend children haven't been part of some horrific mob incidents.

Just because they have their reasons doesn't mean they deserve to be placated, especially if that means letting them indescriminately kill people of a certain group. And given actual events that have occured of this nature, I'm surprised you would even say this without any shred of irony.

And If the goddamn circle and the fist enchanter was killed by a single rogue templar because he wanted mages to die, what do you think their reaction would be? Civil discussion of the issue or a banning together to kill all the templars out of vengence?

If they decided to band together and kill all the templars on sight, then I'd imagine they would be annulled, as they should be in this case.

Modifié par The Baconer, 07 février 2014 - 01:48 .

[MisterJB]

Plus if, right now, I made a thread entitled "What should the dwarves do to survive against the Darkspawn" someone would suggest "They should make a deal with the mages."
And it would only go downhill from there.

Modifié par MisterJB, 07 février 2014 - 01:40 .

[SgtSteel91]

MisterJB wrote...

Plus if, right now, I made a thread entitled "What should the dwarves do to survive against the Darkspawn" someone would suggest "They should make a deal with the mages."
And it would only go downhill from there.

My first thought was "make golems." Not sure if that's better than dealing with mages or not.

[BlueMagitek]

Oh, I forgot, there's also a horde of Flesh Golems infesting the Deep Roads now.

Thanks, Tevinter. :/

[Veruin]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

My first thought was "make golems." Not sure if that's better than dealing with mages or not.

Then the morally superiority arguments start up again, despite the idea of it probably being the dwarves best chance for salvation.

BlueMagitek wrote...

Oh, I forgot, there's also a horde of Flesh Golems infesting the Deep Roads now.

Thanks, Tevinter. :/

Tevinter made those/drew up the plans?  I thought they were Dwarven experiments gone wrong.

Modifié par Veruin, 07 février 2014 - 01:43 .

[BlueMagitek]

It was a Tevinter Mage who created the Lyrium Well in the first place, and then sealed the spirit in the flesh-golem.

Though I suppose you could blame both of them.

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