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[Lotion Soronarr]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Lambert wouldn't have been successful in villifying mages among templars, who swore fealty to the Chantry after roughly 700 years of service if there hadn't already been a desire to kill mages.

I think it's been established, both in Origins as Duncan clearly states, what Irving says about the Chantry punishing its own, Alrik's actions and the silent consent/lack of investigation by his superiors, some of the radical lines by Cullen and so on, that the Chantry merely tolerates magic.

I disagree.

Both on your views on Labert, the templars and the Chantry.

There is a desire to contain mages, not to kill them.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 07 février 2014 - 12:42 .

[leaguer of one]

Jaison1986 wrote...

They thought that in the Soldier Keep DLC. The wardens used demons to fight their enemies and they started to attack both enemies and allies alike. Even if they try, I think it would take a single war to realize how much of an mistake that is. I don't really believe this notion that the Chantry needs to be involved to make sure mages are controlled. I believe in trying new things. We can't know untill we try.

And thats the problem. All it takes is a SINGLE war. Do you know how much damage would happen. We learnt our lesson on how horrible unregulated war can be in WW1 and the damage from that to dacades to recover from and became another second war. It almost happened again with the cold war.

The issue here is once is too much.

It's not the the chantry is the only one that is need to regulate mages, it that they are the only ones avalible for now.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Chantry sucks when it comes about controling mages i think that we have more than 1 prove...
We need someone harsher much harsher and that only in case when we asume that mages can be controled in which i doubt that... 

crap i hope that in the end i can turn inquisition into new anti-magical order that hunts and kill mages...

[Jaison1986]

*Sketch voice* I think the templars should stop hunting mages in order to hunt whatever TheKomanderShepard is.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Jaison1986 wrote...

*Sketch voice* I think the templars should stop hunting mages in order to hunt whatever TheKomanderShepard is.

I can't blow up entire city or destroy nation and well i doubt that i would find that profitable unless it would be ,mages (abomnations) can do that and don't need any reason so better for them to still hunt mages...  

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 07 février 2014 - 02:09 .

[leaguer of one]

Jaison1986 wrote...

*Sketch voice* I think the templars should stop hunting mages in order to hunt whatever TheKomanderShepard is.

Agreed.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

*Sketch voice* I think the templars should stop hunting mages in order to hunt whatever TheKomanderShepard is.

I can't blow up entire city or destroy nation and well i doubt that i would find that profitable unless it would be ,mages (abomnations) can do that and don't need any reason so better for them to still hunt mages...  

Neather can mages. Ander's only blows up a chantry with science/alchemy anyone can use.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Chantry sucks when it comes about controling mages i think that we have more than 1 prove...
We need someone harsher much harsher and that only in case when we asume that mages can be controled in which i doubt that... 

crap i hope that in the end i can turn inquisition into new anti-magical order that hunts and kill mages...

That harshness is the cause of the problem. Making it more harsh will make it worse.

[Veruin]

leaguer of one wrote...
Neather can mages. Ander's only blows up a chantry with science/alchemy anyone can use.

I'm going to call bullsh-t if you are telling me that bomb isn't magical in nature.

Modifié par Veruin, 07 février 2014 - 02:24 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

*Sketch voice* I think the templars should stop hunting mages in order to hunt whatever TheKomanderShepard is.

I can't blow up entire city or destroy nation and well i doubt that i would find that profitable unless it would be ,mages (abomnations) can do that and don't need any reason so better for them to still hunt mages...  

Neather can mages. Ander's only blows up a chantry with science/alchemy anyone can use.

Well city that will meet  abomnation = ashes of course if it isn't weak type of abomnation like rage demon with weak and untrained mage... so yep they can.

So he detonated that remotely with just alchemy?

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Chantry sucks when it comes about controling mages i think that we have more than 1 prove...
We need someone harsher much harsher and that only in case when we asume that mages can be controled in which i doubt that... 

crap i hope that in the end i can turn inquisition into new anti-magical order that hunts and kill mages...

That harshness is the cause of the problem. Making it more harsh will make it worse.

Eee? Not rly problem is that chantry was incompetent and circles were too lax so mages escaped if circles was at least capable of control mages many problems would be gone even fact that mages escaped from circles is good way to see how great they were in controling them.

[SgtSteel91]

What is that bomb anyway? Are we going to see more of its kind in Inquisition?

[Veruin]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

What is that bomb anyway? Are we going to see more of its kind in Inquisition?

Don't know, but I can tell you it's nothing remotely similiar to the grenades the poison-making wardens could make.

[leaguer of one]

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Neather can mages. Ander's only blows up a chantry with science/alchemy anyone can use.

I'm going to call bullsh-t if you are telling me that bomb isn't magical in nature.

Look at the material gathered by Anders...
Sela Petrae,found in the sewers of Darktown.
Drakestone

You need to be a mage to make poop and dragon droppings into a bomb?

Modifié par leaguer of one, 07 février 2014 - 02:36 .

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...
Look at the material gathered by Anders...
Sela Petrae,found in the sewers of Darktown.
Drakestone

You need to be a mage to make poop and dragon droppings into a bomb?

You are joking, right? That was one of the biggest magical blasts we have ever seen. An alchemical bomb would have simply exploded. This thing had what looks like red lightning swirl around it, then everything gathered up in the sky, before disintegrating.
The materials required hardly mean that the bomb wasn't magical in nature either.

Modifié par eluvianix, 07 février 2014 - 02:40 .

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

*Sketch voice* I think the templars should stop hunting mages in order to hunt whatever TheKomanderShepard is.

I can't blow up entire city or destroy nation and well i doubt that i would find that profitable unless it would be ,mages (abomnations) can do that and don't need any reason so better for them to still hunt mages...  

Neather can mages. Ander's only blows up a chantry with science/alchemy anyone can use.

Well city that will meet  abomnation = ashes of course if it isn't weak type of abomnation like rage demon with weak and untrained mage... so yep they can.

So he detonated that remotely with just alchemy?

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Chantry sucks when it comes about controling mages i think that we have more than 1 prove...
We need someone harsher much harsher and that only in case when we asume that mages can be controled in which i doubt that... 

crap i hope that in the end i can turn inquisition into new anti-magical order that hunts and kill mages...

That harshness is the cause of the problem. Making it more harsh will make it worse.

Eee? Not rly problem is that chantry was incompetent and circles were too lax so mages escaped if circles was at least capable of control mages many problems would be gone even fact that mages escaped from circles is good way to see how great they were in controling them.

1. You clearly don't know what blowing up an entire city means.
2.The entire issue happen because the templars imposed on mages rights after the divine to the templars not to.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Veruin wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
Neather can mages. Ander's only blows up a chantry with science/alchemy anyone can use.

I'm going to call bullsh-t if you are telling me that bomb isn't magical in nature.

Look at the material gathered by Anders...
Sela Petrae,found in the sewers of Darktown.
Drakestone

You need to be a mage to make poop and dragon droppings into a bomb?

You are joking, right? That was one of the biggest magical blasts we have ever seen. An alchemica bomb would have simply exploded. This thing had what looks like red lightning swirl around it, then everything gathered up in the sky, before disintegrating.

Look it up... http://dragonage.wik.../Justice_(Quest)
I'm not joking. The explotion is from poop and dragon droppings. Note it was extremly concentrates of the elements in the poop and dragon dropping but that was still a bomb made form poop and dragon droppings.

The only thing magical about the bomb was the animal the materials came from.

Modifié par leaguer of one, 07 février 2014 - 02:43 .

[Veruin]

So, those are the only two ingredients in it? I think not. If I recall, Anders says those are the two he has trouble getting.

The crystallized ****** has issues since the Templars check out the sewers now that the mage underground was dissolved.

The Drake stone because he has to deal with dragons.

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...
1. You clearly don't know what blowing up an entire city means.
2.The entire issue happen because the templars imposed on mages rights after the divine to the templars not to.

1.No? 1 mage blowed huge building what can do powerful abomnation with city?
2.Not rly because mages wanted freedom and many were power hungry if templars did their job correctly they would stop mages so their methods of control failed.See qunari methods and somehow that works not always thats why i want kill mages but just compare templars and qunari hah qunari win... 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Chantry sucks when it comes about controling mages i think that we have more than 1 prove...
We need someone harsher much harsher and that only in case when we asume that mages can be controled in which i doubt that... 

crap i hope that in the end i can turn inquisition into new anti-magical order that hunts and kill mages...

That harshness is the cause of the problem. Making it more harsh will make it worse.

Yeah. As Varric explains in his transition from Act 2 to Act 3.

"The more she squeezed the mages, the more they resisted. The more they resisted, the tighter she squeezed. After three years of that, it all came crashing down."

So the entire Kirkwall situation started by Meredith being harsh on the mages. And when she made it harsher, the worse it got.

[Veruin]

If it's in transition from act 2 to 3, doesn't Meredith have her lyrium weapon of awsum?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
1. You clearly don't know what blowing up an entire city means.
2.The entire issue happen because the templars imposed on mages rights after the divine to the templars not to.

1.No? 1 mage blowed huge building what can do powerful abomnation with city?
2.Not rly because mages wanted freedom and many were power hungry if templars did their job correctly they would stop mages so their methods of control failed.See qunari methods and somehow that works not always thats why i want kill mages but just compare templars and qunari hah qunari win... 

Anders is an abomination, last I checked. He's not just 1 mage.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Veruin wrote...

If it's in transition from act 2 to 3, doesn't Meredith have her lyrium weapon of awsum?

Yes, but regardless of cause the reaction is the same. The more your rights are opposed, the more you'll want to resist. The problem is unlike the city Elves or Casteless Dwarves, the mages actually have the power to fight back.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...
1. You clearly don't know what blowing up an entire city means.
2.The entire issue happen because the templars imposed on mages rights after the divine to the templars not to.

1.No? 1 mage blowed huge building what can do powerful abomnation with city?
2.Not rly because mages wanted freedom and many were power hungry if templars did their job correctly they would stop mages so their methods of control failed.See qunari methods and somehow that works not always thats why i want kill mages but just compare templars and qunari hah qunari win... 

1. That was done with alchemy. Anyone can do alchemy.
2. None, where power hungery. They just wanted normal rights.

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Yeah. As Varric explains in his transition from Act 2 to Act 3.

"The more she squeezed the mages, the more they resisted. The more they resisted, the tighter she squeezed. After three years of that, it all came crashing down."

So the entire Kirkwall situation started by Meredith being harsh on the mages. And when she made it harsher, the worse it got.

yeah because ferelden circle proved otherwise ups you lost my friend
It was prove that templars were incompetent because mages fled continuously from circles if security measures were good mages never would escape from circles and other times templars were just too soft like thrask who helped escape mages and bum who mages were abomnations... 

[Veruin]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Yes, but regardless of cause the reaction is the same. The more your rights are opposed, the more you'll want to resist. The problem is unlike the city Elves or Casteless Dwarves, the mages actually have the power to fight back.

I understand that, but I wanted to know why she suddenly started squeezing.