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[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

You evil betrayer bastards. You are a disgrace to all mages. (that is if you plan on immolating them with magic not explosives)

Oh no. Don't worry. I have a lightning bolt for Adrian and an Inferno for Fiona.

On a serious note now that I think about it Fiona has done nothing immoral. She does not even want pure mage freedom she just want the circles to rule themselves and be free of Templars. I actually think that system could work with some tweaks here and there.

Rly you want tell me that system that sucks already when it comes about providing security will work if you make it more lax?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rassler wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

You evil betrayer bastards. You are a disgrace to all mages. (that is if you plan on immolating them with magic not explosives)

Oh no. Don't worry. I have a lightning bolt for Adrian and an Inferno for Fiona.

On a serious note now that I think about it Fiona has done nothing immoral. She does not even want pure mage freedom she just want the circles to rule themselves and be free of Templars. I actually think that system could work with some tweaks here and there.

I have to admit as far as in-lore options go, Fiona's is one of the better ones. Letting mages be people yet still see the necessity of the Circles to help them. There'd have to be some restrictions of course but then all people have restrictions. They're called laws.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 02 février 2014 - 08:07 .

[Lulupab]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Rly you want tell me that system that sucks already when it comes about providing security will work if you make it more lax?

That was her intention, there is no saying that she will follow after that or what mages will agree to. In the event that things go in mage's favor there will be some sort of vote or something to determine how mages will live.

Modifié par Rassler, 02 février 2014 - 08:08 .

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...

You evil betrayer bastards. You are a disgrace to all mages. (that is if you plan on immolating them with magic not explosives)

Oh no. Don't worry. I have a lightning bolt for Adrian and an Inferno for Fiona.

On a serious note now that I think about it Fiona has done nothing immoral. She does not even want pure mage freedom she just want the circles to rule themselves and be free of Templars. I actually think that system could work with some tweaks here and there.

The thing is that you can't nix the Templars from the equation. As long as the threat of demonic possession remains, you still need Templars to keep watch.

[In Exile]

MisterJB wrote...
The only reason there is a rebellion is because of Adrian and Lambert. And the only reason that rebellion didn't die right then and there on the White Spire was because of Wynne, Evangeline and the Divine.

If Lambert succeeded in killing or imprisoning everyone there, it would just have flanned the flames of rebellion in the same way. 

Rassler wrote...
The whole idea "templars are good against darkspawn magic" is pure bs. As br3ad meantionsed lorewise Darkspawn magic is very different. Also there are two known Templars who were grey wardens. Alistair who was not even a full Templar yet and Rolan who was recruited with strings being pulled only to watch over Anders. The chantry would never let any Templar go as Alistair firmly confirms it.

Duncan's saying that Alistair as a templar would be useful against the mages is not something Duncan means, because at that point he's also covering for Alistair's identity. Duncan was cagey, and recruiting Alistair gave him the Theirin heir if something happened to Cailain (which it did). 

We know that (a) blood magic can't be countered by templars effectively and ( the taint is something that is super effective against demons. That's not to say this is a hierarchy of effectiveness or anything, but it would seem strange if templars (without the taint) could somehow be able to counter the taint when they can't even counter BM. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Rly you want tell me that system that sucks already when it comes about providing security will work if you make it more lax?

That was her intention, there is no saying that she will follow after that or what mages will agree to. In the event that things go in mage's favor there will be some sort of vote or something to determine how mages will live.

At best i would be second tevinter origin at worst end of the world concept for naive peoples nothing more... even thinking that mages can win that war when they can't win 1 battle is ridiculous. 

[TK514]

I look forward to the moment I get to make Fiona Tranquil.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I like how you immediately assume that the mages will immediately want to turn the tables and encroach on people's freedoms like their's were. Some will, definitely, but as a whole, no. They'd realize that creating a second Tevinter would justify every fear people had of them.

[Lulupab]

eluvianix wrote...
The thing is that you can't nix the Templars from the equation. As long as the threat of demonic possession remains, you still need Templars to keep watch.

Who said nix them out? They could stand watch outside of circle, having absolutely no contact or say with whats happening in circle but in event of disaster they would be the ones to fight it, along with surviving mages. No more blind annulments and closed doors. 

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...

I look forward to the moment I get to make Fiona Tranquil.

No, no, no. I would much rather her be consumed by a demon of Pride or upper-tier Rage.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Rassler wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
The thing is that you can't nix the Templars from the equation. As long as the threat of demonic possession remains, you still need Templars to keep watch.

Who said nix them out? They could stand watch outside of circle, having absolutely no contact or say with whats happening in circle but in event of disaster they would be the ones to fight it, along with surviving mages. No more blind annulments and closed doors. 

I'd say they still at least patrol the tower, like how guards patrol city streets. That way if/when an incident occurs, they are there to stop it almost immediately.

[AresKeith]

Rassler wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
The thing is that you can't nix the Templars from the equation. As long as the threat of demonic possession remains, you still need Templars to keep watch.

Who said nix them out? They could stand watch outside of circle, having absolutely no contact or say with whats happening in circle but in event of disaster they would be the ones to fight it, along with surviving mages. No more blind annulments and closed doors. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

I like how you immediately assume that the mages will immediately want to turn the tables and encroach on people's freedoms like their's were. Some will, definitely, but as a whole, no. They'd realize that creating a second Tevinter would justify every fear people had of them.

Wanting something more is part of human nature and that will be in mages cases first freedom then position and then im better than you so i should rule who will stop me if i can mind control... And as far we already had plenty candidates on magisters... and thats all is required. 

"They'd realize that creating a second Tevinter would justify every fear people had of them."

Pretty much same we could say about blood magic and yet...

[Lulupab]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Rly you want tell me that system that sucks already when it comes about providing security will work if you make it more lax?

That was her intention, there is no saying that she will follow after that or what mages will agree to. In the event that things go in mage's favor there will be some sort of vote or something to determine how mages will live.

At best i would be second tevinter origin at worst end of the world concept for naive peoples nothing more... even thinking that mages can win that war when they can't win 1 battle is ridiculous. 

Dear you understimate the mages. All circle mages successfuly break out of Templar control except the Dairsmuid circle where mages were killed. Actually in all battles that the games show us mages always win the 1st battle before Templar reinforcement arrive from the city or somewhere else. Its by numbers that the Templar usually win not by their strength.

Modifié par Rassler, 02 février 2014 - 08:25 .

[TK514]

Rassler wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
The thing is that you can't nix the Templars from the equation. As long as the threat of demonic possession remains, you still need Templars to keep watch.

Who said nix them out? They could stand watch outside of circle, having absolutely no contact or say with whats happening in circle but in event of disaster they would be the ones to fight it, along with surviving mages. No more blind annulments and closed doors. 

I think it is a fantastic idea to have an armed force, comprised of people with reasons to distrust and hate you, surrounding your enclave(s) with the freedom to do whatever they want, whenever they want.  This is definitely the sort of compromise that Mages should be seeking.

eluvianix wrote...

TK514 wrote...

I look forward to the moment I get to make Fiona Tranquil.

No, no, no. I would much rather her be consumed by a demon of Pride or upper-tier Rage.

But think of it.  If we make her Tranquil, we can still call her the Grand Enchanter.

Modifié par TK514, 02 février 2014 - 08:26 .

[MisterJB]

Mages ruling the Circles equals pure mage freedom unless you first establish rules and means of enforcing them which I have not seen Fiona even attempt to do. She just spouts self righteous speeches about the "right thing".
Good thing Fiona is around to tell me what is right and what is wrong in this complex moral dilemma. It's something she has in common with Anders.
I dread to imagine what their spawn baby would act like. Probably a bit like Tumblr actually.

[Hellion Rex]

TK514 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

TK514 wrote...

I look forward to the moment I get to make Fiona Tranquil.

No, no, no. I would much rather her be consumed by a demon of Pride or upper-tier Rage.

But think of it.  If we make her Tranquil, we can still call her the Grand Enchanter.

Ah, that is deliciously evil...I approve.

[Lulupab]

TK514 wrote...

I think it is a fantastic idea to have an armed force, comprised of people with reasons to distrust and hate you, surrounding your enclave(s) with the freedom to do whatever they want, whenever they want.  This is definitely the sort of compromise that Mages should be seeking.

Not sure if sarcasm.

TK514 wrote...

But think of it.  If we make her Tranquil, we can still call her the Grand Enchanter.

I'm sure someone as relentless and devoted as Fiona will cure herself like Pharamond did. I actually admire her zeal. She never gave up not in fighting brood mothers and not in freeing mages from Templar control.

Modifié par Rassler, 02 février 2014 - 08:30 .

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

Mages ruling the Circles equals pure mage freedom unless you first establish rules and means of enforcing them which I have not seen Fiona even attempt to do. She just spouts self righteous speeches about the "right thing".
Good thing Fiona is around to tell me what is right and what is wrong in this complex moral dilemma. It's something she has in common with Anders.
I dread to imagine what their spawn baby would act like. Probably a bit like Tumblr actually.

Hey now. Don't be hating on us Tumblr users.

I would rather have an Aequitarian like Rhys or Wynne (RIP) in charge of reforming the Circles, along with Templars like Greagoir.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Rassler wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Rassler wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Rly you want tell me that system that sucks already when it comes about providing security will work if you make it more lax?

That was her intention, there is no saying that she will follow after that or what mages will agree to. In the event that things go in mage's favor there will be some sort of vote or something to determine how mages will live.

At best i would be second tevinter origin at worst end of the world concept for naive peoples nothing more... even thinking that mages can win that war when they can't win 1 battle is ridiculous. 

Dear you understimate the mages. All circle mages successfuly break out of Templar control except the Dairsmuid circle where mages were killed. Actually in all battles that the games show us mages always win the 1st battle where Templars have no reinforcements. Its by numbers that the Templar usually win not by their strength.

I don't know in what game you played but as far i renember templars were kicking mages in back parts...
As far only successful (semi) of mages were in ferelden circle and only because they turned into abomnations...
And to be honest i don't know even how explain mages broke from circles it is nothing more than plot idiocy if mages could so easily just beat templars either templars are ultimate fools and incompetent or ass pull was used...

and well not rly

[MisterJB]

TK514 wrote...

But think of it.  If we make her Tranquil, we can still call her the Grand Enchanter.

[leaguer of one]

MisterJB wrote...

Mages ruling the Circles equals pure mage freedom unless you first establish rules and means of enforcing them which I have not seen Fiona even attempt to do. She just spouts self righteous speeches about the "right thing".
Good thing Fiona is around to tell me what is right and what is wrong in this complex moral dilemma. It's something she has in common with Anders.
I dread to imagine what their spawn baby would act like. Probably a bit like Tumblr actually.

How can they have time to do that with the Templar stopping any actionsthe mages do before it happens out of fear?

When will you get it that mages and Templars need to work together?

[Veruin]

Rassler wrote...
Who said nix them out? They could stand watch outside of circle, having absolutely no contact or say with whats happening in circle but in event of disaster they would be the ones to fight it, along with surviving mages. No more blind annulments and closed doors. 

So, instead of slaying them as they come into the world, they should stay outside so they lose their advantage, then charge head on into a glorious battle. 

Have you been taking lessons from Cailan?

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Mages ruling the Circles equals pure mage freedom unless you first establish rules and means of enforcing them which I have not seen Fiona even attempt to do. She just spouts self righteous speeches about the "right thing".
Good thing Fiona is around to tell me what is right and what is wrong in this complex moral dilemma. It's something she has in common with Anders.
I dread to imagine what their spawn baby would act like. Probably a bit like Tumblr actually.

Hey now. Don't be hating on us Tumblr users.

I would rather have an Aequitarian like Rhys or Wynne (RIP) in charge of reforming the Circles, along with Templars like Greagoir.

^This human undersands.

[leaguer of one]

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote...
Who said nix them out? They could stand watch outside of circle, having absolutely no contact or say with whats happening in circle but in event of disaster they would be the ones to fight it, along with surviving mages. No more blind annulments and closed doors. 

So, instead of slaying them as they come into the world, they should stay outside so they lose their advantage, then charge head on into a glorious battle. 

Have you been taking lessons from Cailan?

I also agree wiith Veruin on this.