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[TheKomandorShepard]

See that why my plan is so perfect

mages will be free as dead peoples and non-mages will have safety from mages
everyone got what they wanted

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

Mages ruling the Circles equals pure mage freedom unless you first establish rules and means of enforcing them which I have not seen Fiona even attempt to do. She just spouts self righteous speeches about the "right thing".
Good thing Fiona is around to tell me what is right and what is wrong in this complex moral dilemma. It's something she has in common with Anders.
I dread to imagine what their spawn baby would act like. Probably a bit like Tumblr actually.

And what is wrong with that freedom? An an event of disaster like what happened to the cricle of Ferelden it will be mages who will die not the mundanes and the Templars will be there to stop it. 

Also this is hate by very definition of dictionary. Fiona does nothing immoral, nothing at all. She is the better version of Anders, granting the freedom mages deserves by proper ways. You should change your signature to anti-mage and proud. Let me guess, you think Lambert is the best character in entire series? Of course. Lambert is Fiona turned Templar. You cannot call one of them self righteous without calling the other one as well. They both fight for what they believe is right and based on point of view both of them are right. 

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

TK514 wrote...

But think of it.  If we make her Tranquil, we can still call her the Grand Enchanter.

Look into my eyes.

Ringed a bell?

Modifié par Rassler, 02 février 2014 - 08:44 .

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...
And what is wrong with that freedom? An an event of disaster like what happened to the cricle of Ferelden it will be mages who will die not the mundanes and the Templars will be there to stop it.

Not necessarily. We had a Pride demon level abomination running the show there. What if it had managed to escape? Heck, recall the story of why Annulments were made. An abomination got out and ravaged the countryside. So non mages are at even greater risk.

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

See that why my plan is so perfect

mages will be free as dead peoples and non-mages will have safety from mages
everyone got what they wanted

Why not just feed  qamek to all the mage haters? That's a much better solution.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...
And what is wrong with that freedom? An an event of disaster like what happened to the cricle of Ferelden it will be mages who will die not the mundanes and the Templars will be there to stop it.

Not necessarily. We had a Pride demon level abomination running the show there. What if it had managed to escape? Heck, recall the story of why Annulments were made. An abomination got out and ravaged the countryside. So non mages are at even greater risk.

Which is why Templars and Mages need to work TOGETHER.

[Grieving Natashina]

leaguer of one wrote...



Why not just feed  qamek to all the mage haters? That's a much better solution.

Or we can just use qamek on the world and wipe the slate clean.

For the Qun! 

Modifié par Starsyn, 02 février 2014 - 08:46 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

See that why my plan is so perfect

mages will be free as dead peoples and non-mages will have safety from mages
everyone got what they wanted

Why not just feed  qamek to all the mage haters? That's a much better solution.

Because mages still will turn into abomnations?
Besides it would require to caputre 90 % of population of thedas and then use qamek imposiblu unless they will turn me into god mode sue
easier try with mages:P

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...
And what is wrong with that freedom? An an event of disaster like what happened to the cricle of Ferelden it will be mages who will die not the mundanes and the Templars will be there to stop it.

Not necessarily. We had a Pride demon level abomination running the show there. What if it had managed to escape? Heck, recall the story of why Annulments were made. An abomination got out and ravaged the countryside. So non mages are at even greater risk.

Which is why Templars and Mages need to work TOGETHER.

I get that. But nixing the Templars from the Circles hardly promotes a united entity.

[Lulupab]

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...
And what is wrong with that freedom? An an event of disaster like what happened to the cricle of Ferelden it will be mages who will die not the mundanes and the Templars will be there to stop it.

Not necessarily. We had a Pride demon level abomination running the show there. What if it had managed to escape? Heck, recall the story of why Annulments were made. An abomination got out and ravaged the countryside. So non mages are at even greater risk.

DAO and DA2 showed us Mages are perfectly capable of defending themselves if given chance. In such events mages should work together with Templars to fix the situation. With a better circle we will have less apostates therefor less Templars to hunt them and we will have more Templars defending the cricles. It should be enough to fight the demons.

[Lulupab]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...
And what is wrong with that freedom? An an event of disaster like what happened to the cricle of Ferelden it will be mages who will die not the mundanes and the Templars will be there to stop it.

Not necessarily. We had a Pride demon level abomination running the show there. What if it had managed to escape? Heck, recall the story of why Annulments were made. An abomination got out and ravaged the countryside. So non mages are at even greater risk.

Which is why Templars and Mages need to work TOGETHER.

EXACTLY

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...
And what is wrong with that freedom? An an event of disaster like what happened to the cricle of Ferelden it will be mages who will die not the mundanes and the Templars will be there to stop it.

Not necessarily. We had a Pride demon level abomination running the show there. What if it had managed to escape? Heck, recall the story of why Annulments were made. An abomination got out and ravaged the countryside. So non mages are at even greater risk.

Which is why Templars and Mages need to work TOGETHER.

I get that. But nixing the Templars from the Circles hardly promotes a united entity.

And I'm not for nixing the templers from the circle. I'm not supporting Rassler's point.

[leaguer of one]

Rassler wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Rassler wrote...
And what is wrong with that freedom? An an event of disaster like what happened to the cricle of Ferelden it will be mages who will die not the mundanes and the Templars will be there to stop it.

Not necessarily. We had a Pride demon level abomination running the show there. What if it had managed to escape? Heck, recall the story of why Annulments were made. An abomination got out and ravaged the countryside. So non mages are at even greater risk.

Which is why Templars and Mages need to work TOGETHER.

EXACTLY

We can't do that if the templars are at arms length.

[Veruin]

Rassler wrote..

EXACTLY

>Agrees that mages and Templars should work togther

>Thinks Templars should stay outside the tower with no knowledge of whats going on inside.

Modifié par Veruin, 02 février 2014 - 08:50 .

[Uccio]

Mages are going to be saved by my freedom loving apostate blood mage. Not some expired circle tart.

[Lulupab]

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote..

EXACTLY

>Agrees that mages and Templars should work togther

>Thinks Templars should stay outside the tower with no knowledge of whats going on inside.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

Why? They will be a door away from entering the circle lol. I did not say send them miles away from the circle.

Modifié par Rassler, 02 février 2014 - 08:51 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

And from today peoples will love each other slaver will shake hands with slaves and they will feel love and start work each other and love will last forever!

[Veruin]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And from today peoples will love each other slaver will shake hands with slaves and they will feel love and start work each other and love will last forever!

You do know there's a difference between tolerance and everyone holding hands singing Kumbaya, right?

[AresKeith]

Veruin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And from today peoples will love each other slaver will shake hands with slaves and they will feel love and start work each other and love will last forever!

You do know there's a difference between tolerance and everyone holding hands singing Kumbaya, right?

Your talking to TKS

[leaguer of one]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

See that why my plan is so perfect

mages will be free as dead peoples and non-mages will have safety from mages
everyone got what they wanted

Why not just feed  qamek to all the mage haters? That's a much better solution.

Because mages still will turn into abomnations?
Besides it would require to caputre 90 % of population of thedas and then use qamek imposiblu unless they will turn me into god mode sue
easier try with mages:P

Who said 90% of the populance hate mages?  Fear, yes. Added the job of the templars it to protect the world from magic, protect the mages from the world, and mages from themselves.

The issue is not really the mages must be freed, it that mages should not be held in lock and key and Templars and mages must work together.

[Veruin]

AresKeith wrote...

Your talking to TKS

I'm not trying to have a rational discussion with him. 

[MisterJB]

[quote]Rassler wrote...
And what is wrong with that freedom?[/quote]
It's the same system that exists in Tevinter, for instance

Also, I can't help but notice that first you said Fiona was not for pure mage freedom but now you think that would be totally fine.

[quote]An an event of disaster like what happened to the cricle of Ferelden it will be mages who will die not the mundanes and the Templars will be there to stop it. [/quote]

Right off the top of my head:

a) What was one Abomination is suddenly one hundred because there weren't Templars around and what could have been dealt by a handful of Templars suddenly requires a military campaign.

A mage wants to leave the Circle and the Templars won't allow it. An agreement can't be reached because no one actually discussed how this "system" would work.

c) Without Templars around to discourage births, there is suddenly a baby boom among mages. Their increased numbers lead to a need for expansion of the Circles  as well as increased representation in normal politics which will lead to conflicts.

Honestly, I could be here all day writing why simply saying "The mages rules themselves and the Templars stay on the outside" does not work but that would require far more effort than it is worth.

[quote]Also this is hate by very definition of dictionary.[/quote]
 So?

[quote]Fiona does nothing immoral, nothing at all.[/quote]
 Except wishing to start a continental war.

[quote]She is the better version of Anders,[/quote]
 What's the better version of Morgoth? Sauron? Not much of an improvement.

[quote]granting the freedom mages deserves by proper ways.[/quote]
WAR! It differs nothing from what Anders, the warmongering terrorist, wanted.

[quote]You should change your signature to anti-mage and proud.[/quote]
 No thanks, I am not anti-mage.

[quote]Let me guess, you think Lambert is the best character in entire series?[/quote]
Not really.

[quote]Lambert is Fiona turned Templar.[/quote]
Lambert is a Seeker.

[quote]You cannot call one of them self righteous without calling the other one as well.[/quote]
 I didn't.

[quote]They both fight for what they believe is right and based on point of view both of them are right. 
[/quote]
People can fight for what they believe is right without being self-righteous.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Veruin wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

And from today peoples will love each other slaver will shake hands with slaves and they will feel love and start work each other and love will last forever!

You do know there's a difference between tolerance and everyone holding hands singing Kumbaya, right?

Would you tolerate me if iwas holding you on the leash? Because i doubt that good luck with tolerance if so easy why you didn't fixed world yet?

[Lulupab]

The whole point is Templars should not have a say in anything mages do, unless its something like summoning demons etc. They will stay out of circles, a door away not a mile, patrolling the circle frequently in not great numbers and completely ignoring what mages are doing. Also there is always room for improvement in the circles.

[leaguer of one]

Rassler wrote...

Veruin wrote...

Rassler wrote..

EXACTLY

>Agrees that mages and Templars should work togther

>Thinks Templars should stay outside the tower with no knowledge of whats going on inside.

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

Why? They will be a door away from entering the circle lol. I did not say send them miles away from the circle.

How can you work with and understand  a group of people you're not in the same building as? You have to get to know and understand them to work and be efficient with them. So Yes, the templars have to be in the tower.