Rassler wrote...
The whole point is Templars should not have a say in anything mages do, unless its something like summoning demons etc. They will stay out of circles, a door away not a mile, patrolling the circle frequently in not great numbers and completely ignoring what mages are doing. Also there is always room for improvement in the circles.
leaguer of one wrote...
Who said 90% of the populance hate mages? Fear, yes. Added the job of the templars it to protect the world from magic, protect the mages from the world, and mages from themselves.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
Why not just feed qamek to all the mage haters? That's a much better solution.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
See that why my plan is so perfect
mages will be free as dead peoples and non-mages will have safety from mages
everyone got what they wanted
Because mages still will turn into abomnations?
Besides it would require to caputre 90 % of population of thedas and then use qamek imposiblu unless they will turn me into god mode sue
easier try with mages:P
The issue is not really the mages must be freed, it that mages should not be held in lock and key and Templars and mages must work together.
i will defeat you with ****ty quotes!
Rassler wrote...
The whole point is Templars should not have a say in anything mages do, unless its something like summoning demons etc. They will stay out of circles, a door away not a mile, patrolling the circle frequently in not great numbers and completely ignoring what mages are doing. Also there is always room for improvement in the circles.
eluvianix wrote...
How in the hell can they stop bad things from happening if they ignore what goes on inside?
The problem was not that they were on a leash. It's templars started tackling them, pinning them down, putting tight rope around their necks and dragging them in cages by the ropes because they the mages may bite. And then when the mages stated complaining about it the Templars just made the road tughter.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Veruin wrote...
TheKomandorShepard wrote...
And from today peoples will love each other slaver will shake hands with slaves and they will feel love and start work each other and love will last forever!
You do know there's a difference between tolerance and everyone holding hands singing Kumbaya, right?
Would you tolerate me if iwas holding you on the leash? Because i doubt that good luck with tolerance if so easy why you didn't fixed world yet?
Agreed.AresKeith wrote...
Rassler wrote...
The whole point is Templars should not have a say in anything mages do, unless its something like summoning demons etc. They will stay out of circles, a door away not a mile, patrolling the circle frequently in not great numbers and completely ignoring what mages are doing. Also there is always room for improvement in the circles.
Templars should have a say in things mages do, not everything mind you
That's counters you're point. Being that fear and hate is the problem and the current templars, who are working of of that, ae just making things worse.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
Who said 90% of the populance hate mages? Fear, yes. Added the job of the templars it to protect the world from magic, protect the mages from the world, and mages from themselves.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
Why not just feed qamek to all the mage haters? That's a much better solution.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
See that why my plan is so perfect
mages will be free as dead peoples and non-mages will have safety from mages
everyone got what they wanted
Because mages still will turn into abomnations?
Besides it would require to caputre 90 % of population of thedas and then use qamek imposiblu unless they will turn me into god mode sue
easier try with mages:P
The issue is not really the mages must be freed, it that mages should not be held in lock and key and Templars and mages must work together.
mahaha i have yoda on my side
leaguer of one wrote...
The problem was not that they were on a leash. It's templars started tackling them, pinning them down, putting tight rope around their necks and dragging them in cages by the ropes because they the mages may bite. And then when the mages stated complaining about it the Templars just made the road tughter.
Rassler wrote...
So what do you think of her role in DA:I?
leaguer of one wrote...
That's counters you're point. Being that fear and hate is the problem and the current templars, who are working of of that, ae just making things worse.
Rassler wrote...
Some Asunder spoilers incoming:
Well lets have a review of events. I personally really like Fiona's character developement. As a child she was physically and sexually abused then she killed her abuser with magic and was sent to circle. When she was of age she begged to join the grey warden to be rid of circle and the grey wardens accepted her. She accompanied Duncan and Riordan in many of their missions. Ducan addmitted that without Fiona's healing and offensive magic they would have died many times. She also had a relationship with king maric and gave birth to a child.
Somehow she was free of the taint, she was completely free but she left the wardens and went back to the circle. A place that she take a risk of dying (the joing) and fight drakspawn rather than being there. Her departure was largely driven by a desire to free her brethren under the yoke of the Templars. Then she does everything in her power to free the mages from the circle. At first she doesn't succeed and it causes the dissolution of the college of Enchanters. But after the events of Kirkwall and what Anders did, which caused mages all over the world to grew much more hostile towards the Templars, she attempted to free the mages one more time and this time she was succesful thanks to biggest mage fraternities Liberitarians and Aequitarians backing her up.
Fiona has oblitirated brood mothers and vanquished other strongest of darkspawn creatures. I think its safe to claim that she is one of the strongest unpossessed and normal mages. She is also very cunning and smart. If there is any sort of victory for the mages, Fiona will find it.
So what do you think of her role in DA:I?
Sauron, actually. I'm just saying, the better part of something bad is not automatically something good.eluvianix wrote...
@MisterJB, damn...pulling out the Tolkien references. I approve. However, it might be a tad harsh to compare Fiona to Melkor, don't you think?
Impossible? It only when bad because the templars start not doing their jobs correctly and being inflexible to the rights of mages. Sorry, it all feel apart because Templars lIke Meredith were put in charge.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
The problem was not that they were on a leash. It's templars started tackling them, pinning them down, putting tight rope around their necks and dragging them in cages by the ropes because they the mages may bite. And then when the mages stated complaining about it the Templars just made the road tughter.
Simple system didn't worked templars did bad that they tried control mages what is impossible and thanks to that we had so many magical incydents and mess that we have now. And yes leash always will be problem because mages will want normal lifes and thats normal that they want such thing but they can't because they are mages doesn't mean that they care and won't follow toward it uldred rebelion is best example.
MisterJB wrote...
Also, I can't help but notice that first you said Fiona was not for pure mage freedom but now you think that would be totally fine.
MisterJB wrote...
a) What was one Abomination is suddenly one hundred because there weren't Templars around and what could have been dealt by a handful of Templars suddenly requires a military campaign.A mage wants to leave the Circle and the Templars won't allow it. An agreement can't be reached because no one actually discussed how this "system" would work.
c) Without Templars around to discourage births, there is suddenly a baby boom among mages. Their increased numbers lead to a need for expansion of the Circles as well as increased representation in normal politics which will lead to conflicts.
Honestly, I could be here all day writing why simply saying "The mages rules themselves and the Templars stay on the outside" does not work but that would require far more effort than it is worth.
MisterJB wrote...
Except wishing to start a continental war.
MisterJB wrote...
What's the better version of Morgoth? Sauron? Not much of an improvement.
MisterJB wrote...
WAR! It differs nothing from what Anders, the warmongering terrorist, wanted.
MisterJB wrote...
No thanks, I am not anti-mage.
MisterJB wrote...
People can fight for what they believe is right without being self-righteous.
Except mages don't turn into abomination at a drop of a hat and a spoiled noble can decimate a country with no magic at all.TheKomandorShepard wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
That's counters you're point. Being that fear and hate is the problem and the current templars, who are working of of that, ae just making things worse.
Ha humans didn't menage to achieve that simple it always will be in case even in our times it is common and yet
differences are not so big and in mages case they are because they are dangerous and always will...
So good luck with that as i said
Extra, Extra. Mages want to be the only social class not bound by the law!Rassler wrote...
The whole point is Templars should not have a say in anything mages do, unless its something like summoning demons etc.
Rassler wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
No thanks, I am not anti-mage.
Your posts suggest otherwise.
Sorry, Rassler but JB has a point. Mages do need to have the templars watch over them. More in fact work with them to police them mages then Templars alone.MisterJB wrote...
Extra, Extra. Mages want to be the only social class not bound by the law!Rassler wrote...
The whole point is Templars should not have a say in anything mages do, unless its something like summoning demons etc.
leaguer of one wrote...
impossible? It only when bad because the templars start not doing their jobs correctly and being inflexible to the rights of mages. Sorry, it all feel apart because Templars lIke Meredith were put in charge.
Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 02 février 2014 - 09:18 .
No,Rassler is right. If you read JB's comments on mages before you'll know he is really anti mage.Veruin wrote...
Rassler wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
No thanks, I am not anti-mage.
Your posts suggest otherwise.
They only say otherwise because they don't line up with your standards.
Rassler wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
What's the better version of Morgoth? Sauron? Not much of an improvement.
Lol the fact that you compare Fiona to those says a lot, too much in fact. You see improvement of mage lives as an evil thing which its not. Fiona is best freedom fighter written by Bioware yet, she is like author's favorite and for good reason. You can have your opinion of course but it doesn't change the fact that Fiona is not evil not even a little bit.
Veruin wrote...
Rassler wrote...
MisterJB wrote...
No thanks, I am not anti-mage.
Your posts suggest otherwise.
They only say otherwise because they don't line up with your standards.
leaguer of one wrote...
No,Rassler is right. If you read JB's comments on mages before you'll know he is really anti mage.
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