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[Mad as Heck]

http://kalence.drupa...24951384!GG.9GG

Is it cr@p? I don't actually have an AJ or Revenant, however, so this build is probably way off from what I should be playing the class like. Suggestions?

[Kislitsin]

 The build itself is ok, though I would go for 4a in reave and 5b in passives.
The revenant is... meh on her, consider something more powerfull without speed penalty (when you fire damn thing). Tip: shooty.

Tip 2: Assault Rifle HVB doesn't make sense on caster if you plann to use warp ammo 3/4. Just slap an usual piercing mode AND a barrell for everything but Lazor/Lancer. Or if you keen to use a Revenant on her, and you wan't dat recoil mod so much, just substitute HVB with piercing mode.

I wouldn't reccomend to use it on anything without accuracy bonuses.

[Loufi]

That's a lot of shields ! You don't need so much. And the revenant is too heavy and doesn't fit with the character.

66653 is the best build IMO, with acolyte and hurricane. Acolyte shot, pull and reave for biotic explosions on unarmored targets. Reave, bubble (or in the opposite order) for biotic explosions on armored targets + hurricane shots.

Cyclonic modulator 4 is ok for gold / platinum matches. But I would replace the shield booster by a commando package and, of course, the assault rifle amp by a SMG amp. Warp rounds as you did.

It's a technical character who recquires some practice but it's an amazing one when you start to master him.

[Mad as Heck]

Kislitsin wrote...

 The build itself is ok, though I would go for 4a in reave and 5b in passives.
The revenant is... meh on her, consider something more powerfull without speed penalty (when you fire damn thing). Tip: shooty.

Tip 2: Assault Rifle HVB doesn't make sense on caster if you plann to use warp ammo 3/4. Just slap an usual piercing mode AND a barrell for everything but Lazor/Lancer. Or if you keen to use a Revenant on her, and you wan't dat recoil mod so much, just substitute HVB with piercing mode.

I wouldn't reccomend to use it on anything without accuracy bonuses.

Shooty? I guess you're meaning shotgun... Would the Piranha be any good on her?

[Kislitsin]

loufi1528 wrote...

That's a lot of shields ! You don't need so much. And the revenant is too heavy and doesn't fit with the character.

66653 is the best build IMO, with acolyte and hurricane. Acolyte shot, pull and reave for biotic explosions on unarmored targets. Reave, bubble (or in the opposite order) for biotic explosions on armored targets + hurricane shots.

Cyclonic modulator 4 is ok for gold / platinum matches. But I would replace the shield booster by a commando package and, of course, the assault rifle amp by a SMG amp. Warp rounds as you did.

It's a technical character who recquires some practice but it's an amazing one when you start to master him.

Ok, it's just my view. But why on earth does she need the lolcolyte? And why does she need to keep her CD's near 200?

Of course acolyte and hurricane fit her, they fit everything (GI. TSol, Destroyer). But as she is 1,5 coldoown combo-maker, she can afford herself to take some AR or shotgun, just not the revenant.

[vandalDX]

Mad as Heck wrote...

Kislitsin wrote...

 The build itself is ok, though I would go for 4a in reave and 5b in passives.
The revenant is... meh on her, consider something more powerfull without speed penalty (when you fire damn thing). Tip: shooty.

Tip 2: Assault Rifle HVB doesn't make sense on caster if you plann to use warp ammo 3/4. Just slap an usual piercing mode AND a barrell for everything but Lazor/Lancer. Or if you keen to use a Revenant on her, and you wan't dat recoil mod so much, just substitute HVB with piercing mode.

I wouldn't reccomend to use it on anything without accuracy bonuses.

Shooty? I guess you're meaning shotgun... Would the Piranha be any good on her?

I've had some good success with the Piranha on her playing Gold, but its accuracy considerably limits the effectiveness of your DPS at range, even with a smart choke.  If you have a Venom, you might try that one, but another good alternative is the Geth Plasma Shotgun, which is among the more versatile shotguns and has worked exceptionally well on the justicar for me in the past.  It complements the bubble and what you can do in and around it.

[Kislitsin]

Mad as Heck wrote...

Shooty? I guess you're meaning shotgun... Would the Piranha be any good on her?

IMO - too situational, though her sister (Valkire) wrecks with it.

But you need to try everything yourself.

A friend of mine uses Incisor-TSol on gold+ and says that it's one of the best kit/gun combos, and he makes it work.

[Loufi]

Kislitsin wrote...

loufi1528 wrote...

That's a lot of shields ! You don't need so much. And the revenant is too heavy and doesn't fit with the character.

66653 is the best build IMO, with acolyte and hurricane. Acolyte shot, pull and reave for biotic explosions on unarmored targets. Reave, bubble (or in the opposite order) for biotic explosions on armored targets + hurricane shots.

Cyclonic modulator 4 is ok for gold / platinum matches. But I would replace the shield booster by a commando package and, of course, the assault rifle amp by a SMG amp. Warp rounds as you did.

It's a technical character who recquires some practice but it's an amazing one when you start to master him.

Ok, it's just my view. But why on earth does she need the lolcolyte? And why does she need to keep her CD's near 200?

Of course acolyte and hurricane fit her, they fit everything (GI. TSol, Destroyer). But as she is 1,5 coldoown combo-maker, she can afford herself to take some AR or shotgun, just not the revenant.

? Because she has pull ?

[Kislitsin]

loufi1528 wrote...

? Because she has pull ?

66066 - no pull no problems and no need for an acolyte.

[Darkstar Aurora]

THIS is what I use.

Biotic Sphere 6 [Radius, Enemy Weakness, Warp Effect]
Reave 6 [Radius, Damage Reduction, Barriers & Armor]
Pull 6 [Radius, Lift Damage, Duration & Combo]
Asari Justicar 5 [Duration & Capacity, Power Damage]
Fitness 3

Acolyte [Heavy Barrel V, Power Magnifier V]
Hurricane X [Power Magnifier V, Ultralight Materials V]

SMG Rail Amp III
Warp Ammo IV
Power Amplifier IV
Geth Scanner V

Annihilates everything on Platinum. You technically do not even need the Hurricane at all, Acolyte and Reave stacking melts bosses and Pull/Biotic Sphere can prime for you.

Modifié par Darkstar Aurora, 02 février 2014 - 06:04 .

[Peer of the Empire]

 Take rank 6 passive weapon damage and put those points in pull.  That rank 6 evo is calculated additively, not multiplicatively, and becomes only 5% damage when using a +25% damage barrel

[Kislitsin]

Ok, I'm washing my hands out of it...

[Loufi]

Kislitsin wrote...

loufi1528 wrote...

? Because she has pull ?

66066 - no pull no problems and no need for an acolyte.

But less fun, higher delays and less range (by a high margin) for biotic explosions. 

I think that dida did the fastest platinum solo with the AJA using only the acolyte...

[Aetika]

I think the build is fine. I would consider taking damage reduction on reave instead of recharge speed. Reave has very quick recharge even without the evo.

Revenant is horrible choice IMO. It´s heavy and it´s pretty inaccurate as others said. I use Paladin and I can only recommend it. I think Talon or Lancer might be good idea too.

I also think you can easily replace cyclonics and shield booster with power boosting gear and you will still be ok

Modifié par Aetika, 02 février 2014 - 06:14 .

[Peer of the Empire]

She is not a weapon damage class, she is a power class, and therefore acolyte is godly with her. i see that more than a few are in accord with my suggestions in a previous thread

Without weapon power, you need a weapon that will do ungodly amounts of shield/barrier dps on higher difficulties. At best the Talon could be a replacement. Piranha et al. are too inaccurate,; anything heavier would negate her powers

She was designed at a time when the game was very different. That assault rifle passive is for the lols, when the devs were still imagining what to do.

I suppose if you somehow have a Harrier X you could run with that.  Harrier didn't exist in the game when the Justicar was made.  ADS for an underwhelming option, though ADS was added with the very last DLC and nearly a year after the Justicar.  ARs have always sucked.

As an aside, and not referring specifically to this thread,

People who are bad at maths and/or autistic are obsessed about weapon and power damage passives.  Even at the beginning of the game, before all the spreadsheets, it was understood that passives were calculated additively and were rather underwhelming.

With many classes you could max weapon damage and headshot everything and do next to no damage against a weapon class.  Maybe it's because I've so long played a Krogan with his melee, and before that a Vanguard with his reliance on Charge cooldown and at the beginning of the game when half of all vanguards were Novaguards, that I understand that there are other ways besides GI headshotting.

That said, I do spec her 5 in passive, weight and power damage.  For her, that +15% power damage is a straight up +15% damage to reave and other effects, because she gets no power damage boost from earlier ranks

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 02 février 2014 - 06:59 .

[Evil]

Aetika wrote...

I think the build is fine. I would consider taking damage reduction on reave instead of recharge speed. Reave has very quick recharge even without the evo.

Revenant is horrible choice IMO. It´s heavy and it´s pretty inaccurate as others said. I use Paladin and I can only recommend it. I think Talon or Lancer might be good idea too.

I also think you can easily replace cyclonics and shield booster with power boosting gear and you will still be ok :

I'd agree with most of this.

The revenant slows you down when you shoot, this is bad for an offensive bubble based justicar.

The talon pistol is a good choice because it does extra damage against shields, compensating for the weakness of warp ammo vs shields, and giving you the option of using pull if you want to.

Don't bother with a power amp however, it doesn't benefit BE's at all, and reave does rather little damage by itself, better to use a cyclonic to take advantage of all that DR she has, or better yet, an adrenaline mod to help get close enough to use the offensive bubble as a detonator, as well as using it as a primer.

Try this:kalence.drupalgardens.com/me3-builder#15!2812555!!13L52384!GE54GG

Feel free to add a lightweight side-arm if desired, and move the points in pull to weapon damage if you don't intend to use it.

The maxed fitness is to take advantage of all her DR, and to survive banshee warp balls on gold, you can remove some of those points if you don't care about that.

EDIT: The damage barrel might be a better choice than the AP mod, but then warp ammo III or IV becomes mandatory to do decent damage against armour, and you will need to use pull to deal with guardians, unless you can mail-slot reliably with a talon pistol.

Modifié par Evil Mastered, 02 février 2014 - 06:36 .

[Mad as Heck]

Thanks for the help, guys. I'll try out all of the builds... If I get enough respec cards, of course 

[dudemacha]

I would say 66660 build with CM4 and harrier/lancer if you want ARs or paladin to be better

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Aetika wrote...

I think the build is fine. I would consider taking damage reduction on reave instead of recharge speed. Reave has very quick recharge even without the evo.

^ I would second that advice. ^

Otherwise, the build should work fine... but I notice in the OP that you mention you don't have the AJ... do you mean that you haven't unlocked the Justicar, yet? If so, this is some anticipatory kit-building! 

[Face of Darkness]

pull works well with the acolyte, but if you're using any other weapons I really wouldn't bother with it. It's just not that good of a power and you're better off spamming reave instead. I guess it works well in a crowd but it's just not necessary, I'd prefer maxing out everything else and ignoring pull completely

[dudemacha]

This is the build i use and weapon rotation includes harrie, wraith, paladin, talon, hurricane, piranha

Pull is usefull for catching groups of husks/abominations or other troopers when in need....besides with 40 % DR and CM4 she has very good survivability anyways, so might as well do some CC and booms
Edited for correct link

Modifié par Nik6454, 02 février 2014 - 07:49 .

[Evil]

Nik6454 wrote...

this is the build i use and weapon rotation includes harrie, wraith, paladin, talon, hurricane, piranha

Pull is usefull for catching groups of husks/abominations or other troopers when in need....besides with 40 % DR and CM4 she has very good survivability anyways, so might as well do some CC and booms

You linked the OP's build instead of yours.

[dudemacha]

Evil Mastered wrote...

Nik6454 wrote...

this is the build i use and weapon rotation includes harrie, wraith, paladin, talon, hurricane, piranha

Pull is usefull for catching groups of husks/abominations or other troopers when in need....besides with 40 % DR and CM4 she has very good survivability anyways, so might as well do some CC and booms

You linked the OP's build instead of yours.

Thanks for pointing it out !

[PurpGuy1]

Kislitsin wrote...

loufi1528 wrote...

It's a technical character who recquires some practice but it's an amazing one when you start to master him.

Ok, it's just my view. But why on earth does she need the lolcolyte? And why does she need to keep her CD's near 200?

And why is she a him?

[Deerber]

Switch ranks 4 and 5 of the passive, use a harrier and you have a decent setup.