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[Maiden Crowe]

DBZ powers and a big sword? Someone who performs sinister actions merely to prove how much of a dick he is then when confronted claims "but I had good intentions"? Sinister facial hair?


What makes a good villain?

[HiroVoid]

What do you think makes a good villian Crowe?

[Maiden Crowe]

Believability

[MKDAWUSS]

The best villains.... aren't villains.

[Jessihatt]

I think Loghain was a great villain.

He was blinded by what he thought was right and he was very human and relatable.
I think his self-belief and refusal to listen to others made him a very dangerous man, especially because he held so much power and respect.

[Iron Fist]

Are we talking about villain antagonists or villain protagonists?

[Iron Fist]

CommanderJessica wrote...

I think Loghain was a great villain.

He was blinded by what he thought was right and he was very human and relatable.
I think his self-belief and refusal to listen to others made him a very dangerous man, especially because he held so much power and respect.

Loghain would actually be classified as a hero antagonist.

[AutumnWitch]

People who do things for a reason to accomplish something, not just killing people or destroying things just for the sake of doing it. A real villain doesn't have to announce he/she is a villain, you already know.

[thats1evildude]

Some people might favour different type of villains, but the truth is that there is no specific formula to making a truly great villain.

That's my serious answer for what is basically a thinly-veiled troll thread.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 02 février 2014 - 10:02 .

[CybAnt1]

1. Handlebar moustache, which must be twirled while he sneers.
2. He must explain his fiendish plan to the hero while giving him enough time to stop him.
3. He must kidnap the hero's girlfriend, and put her in danger, so that he can save her. (Modern days, this can be gender reversed. Yet rarely is.)
4. He must have minions. They do not HAVE to be little, yellow, wear suspenders, and look like jelly beans come to life.
5. He must have laser headed sharks. Of course.
6. The hero cannot just walk in and shoot him. Either his gun must be out of bullets, or he throws it away, so the Big Bad can be defeated hand to hand. All other minions can be dispatched. Not Big Bad.

Of course, I like the Watchmen for tackling AND exploding many of said cliches.

Another film that both discusses, and deals with this question, at least in relation to comic/superhero tales, is Unbreakable. Especially the hero/villain relationship.

[Dubozz]

Three-colored background.

[thats1evildude]

MevenSelas wrote...

Loghain would actually be classified as a hero antagonist.

Except that would imply the Warden is the villain. Loghain is firmly in the wrong about his beliefs and will drive the country into destruction without the Warden's presence.

Loghain is, at best, an anti-villain and is listed on TV Tropes as such.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 02 février 2014 - 10:15 .

[Androme]

 What makes a great villain?


That there is no villain, but simply conflicting interests and ideologies. 

[Maiden Crowe]

thats1evildude wrote...

That's my serious answer for what is basically a thinly-veiled troll thread.

Gee Evildude, why so antagonistic? Can't a gal create a legitimate topic for discussion without being called a troll? Perhaps you are the Troll for seeking to disrupt what should be a civil discussion?

[DRTJR]

Three things can a Villain great.
1. Being perceived as a BAMF, Maleficent is one, The Prince from Dragonheart is not
2. Being Sympathetic, These guys are The Anti-Villians.
3. Being No holds bar, balls to the wall, brilliant. Think Xanatos, from Gargoyls.

These are usually but not always mutually exclusive.

[ShadowLordXII]

Someone with an interesting characterization; A decent and non-stupid motivation; A well-thought out and crafted goal; Powerful enough in a physical and/or mental capacity to where they're a threat to the protagonists; and they have to consciously and knowingly commit actions which are clearly evil.

[HiroVoid]

A villian who actually succeeds to a pretty good degree or forces the hero to make large sacrifices.

[Klystron]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

What makes a good villain?

Believability and depth.

I was a bit put off by those mages who dabbled in blood magic and instantly became horrific monsters, while my PC is a blood mage and is just fine. 
This goes far beyond the DA stories.  Even with Tolkein, I didn't like the black/white or the way even a slight brush with evil was the downfall of several characters.  Saruman's fall seemed very simplistic, very 1-dimensional.

Also it helps to have a great VO actor like Tim Curry! 

[OctagonalSquare]

A goatee.

[KC_Prototype]

Cunning, unique personality, deep character, appealing look of a villian, bad ass dialogue and cool name.

[DRTJR]

Klystron wrote...

I was a bit put off by those mages who dabbled in blood magic and instantly became horrific monsters, while my PC is a blood mage and is just fine.  

Merrill is, apart from Wynne the most level headed mage in the series.

This goes far beyond the DA stories.  Even with Tolkein, I didn't like the black/white or the way even a slight brush with evil was the downfall of several characters.  Saruman's fall seemed very simplistic, very 1-dimensional.

Don't forget about the only member of the Fellowship to die, Boromir. His desire for the ring was his undoing.

Also it helps to have a great VO actor like Tim Curry! 

Tim Curry is one of the greatest actors of our era. Bar none.

[Orian Tabris]

Just throwing it out there... A great villain isn't someone who just wants to take over the world, or commit genicide, but has something they want to protect (like a memory or a person) or obtain, with an underlying reason for doing the things they do (beyond "they laughed at me").

[Knight of Dane]

The kind that you can understand.

[mousestalker]

Bad teeth and baggy eyes. A haunted hag-ridden expression works wonders as well.

If we are being serious, then someone very capable and competent who is doing the wrong things for the right reasons.

Modifié par mousestalker, 02 février 2014 - 10:58 .

[Orian Tabris]

HiroVoid wrote...

A villian who actually succeeds to a pretty good degree or forces the hero to make large sacrifices.

This is crucial to making any villain worthy of the title "villain." Although, it doesn't have to be a pretty good degree, as long as they succeed somehow.