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[Taleroth]

 

I liked Count Dooku and Grevious

I pity you. Do not think I look down upon you, I simply lament the fact that you have not been exposed to truly good villains and have instead been forced to settle for those hollow forms that only existed as an excuse for fights with laser swords.

 

Well, true, but I wonder if Dooku would be more interesting to people if there hadn't been a Vader. Or how people would like Vader if he had been a villain in a movie that came out today, instead of the original Star Wars trilogy so many years ago.

People would have liked Vader. He may not have the same appeal if it were a modern invention, but that's true of Star Wars as a whole. It hit the perfect time with the perfect merchandising to create what it became. But he compares well to many other modern villains that are well received.

[TheLittleBird]

Anakin/Vader was a villain in Revenge of the Sith, which came out in 2005. I think most of us still remember and prefer the original, though.

 

Yes, I know.

 

 

People would have liked Vader. He may not have the same appeal if it were a modern invention, but that's true of Star Wars as a whole. It hit the perfect time with the perfect merchandising to create what it became. But he compares well to many other modern villains that are well received.

 

Yeah, I know were you're getting at. I admit Vader is my favourite villain ever, though I don't think I'd have found him to be that great if I had just seen the first Star Wars movie. Because he seems like a pretty generic villain in that. But that could also be me, being born in 1995 

[AresKeith]

I pity you. Do not think I look down upon you, I simply lament the fact that you have not been exposed to truly good villains and have instead been forced to settle for those hollow forms that only existed as an excuse for fights with laser swords.

I know more about them outside the movies

Same reason why I consider Mace Windu one of the best Jedi's ever

[Hellion Rex]

I know more about them outside the movies

Same reason why I consider Mace Windu one of the best Jedi's ever

Meh, guy was a total hardass. Till he got fried by Palpatine. Granted though, he certainly was one of the best swordsmen of that era.

[The Qun & the Damned]

An effortless evil laugh and the sociopathic ability to play the crowd while your nefarious twisted plan unfolds behind them

[AresKeith]

Meh, guy was a total hardass. Till he got fried by Palpatine. Granted though, he certainly was one of the best swordsmen of that era.

That's because he's had it with the MF'ing Sith in this MF'ing Galaxy

[Crockets]

There are usually two kind of villians. One is the old school Good vs Evil kind of villain. Evil villain like Archdemon / Diablo / Reapers who is/are on a killing spree to end all light for whatever reason. The other is more of a grey area villain, who embrace some kind of ideology and do whatever it takes to accomplish it. The later one is more dangerous and makes for a great villain content IMO. Remember Letho in The Witcher 2? His heart was in the right place but his method was wrong. He's possibly the best villain guy in any RPG this past decade.

[Hellion Rex]

That's because he's had it with the MF'ing Sith in this MF'ing Galaxy

Touche.

[Hellion Rex]

Even though opinions are mixed about Kreia, I'd like an antagonist like her, one that teaches you about yourself, even though you might opposed to their goals.

[Iakus]

It is rare for their to be only one path to success. But if I were to distill an essence, it would be the same as many other characters. They have a goal and their actions are all in service of accomplishing that goal.

 

It's the difference between Irenicus and Bodhi. It's why people love Darth Vader, but nobody gives two craps about Count Dooku or General Grevious.

 

Yeah, I think the best villains are fallen heroes.  The ones who become cautionary tales about doing "whatever it takes" to achieve a goal.  They are the ones the heroes could become if they had less scruples.

 

By the same token, few stories are more heartwarming than the villains who manage to come back and redeem themselves.

[fluffyfunbags]

The best antagonists in my opionion are realistic characters with motivations and feelings we can relate to.I guess since humans are big on feeling empathy for each other, they will sympathize with almost anyone who they can see themselves in.So, if I'm thinking at any point something like "I'd to the same exact thing in this situation", the writers got me.

 

There is no good or evil.The only thing that makes us different from one another is philosophically.At your first glimpse those "evil" persons might seem to be monsters, but once you learned about their origins, what they endured,their pain, what made them the way they are, and what they are fighting for ultimately, you might reconsider your judgement.

 

Maybe then you realize that they're not all that different from you.

[Naesaki]

I like a villain i can ultimately emphasise with, I like it when they've had such a rotten time in their life and thats why its led them to do what they do, rather than just doing something for the evulz (Like i despise Kefka (FF VI) for that reason but why i love Mithos (Tales of Symphonia) the discrimination all his life and then losing his sister sent him into the despair event horizon

[HunterX6]

I prefer the devs decide what are the best villain, they do a good job compare to some ideas here.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Personality.

example
 

[Iosev]

I don't think there is any one formula to creating a great villain, as different villains are suitable for the various themes that writers explore in their works.  For example, sympathetic villains can be used to explore themes of redemption, such as Loghain in Dragon Age: Origins.  Alternatively, an unsympathetic villain may be more suitable when the writers want to explore just how far a protagonist will go without breaking (e.g., Joker and Batman).

 

Similarly, I don't think the villain's amount of control they have on their actions is necessary to being great.  For example, there are points in Breaking Bad where Walter White does outright horrible actions out of his own volition.  Yet, there are characters who are being controlled by some outside force that succeed as villains as well, like Jack Torrance from the Shining.

 

Thus, it's hard to pinpoint a single example of a great villain, when it depends on what the writers are trying to accomplish.

[upsettingshorts]

Hubris.

[upsettingshorts]

There is no good or evil.The only thing that makes us different from one another is philosophically.At your first glimpse those "evil" persons might seem to be monsters, but once you learned about their origins, what they endured,their pain, what made them the way they are, and what they are fighting for ultimately, you might reconsider your judgement.

 

Maybe then you realize that they're not all that different from you.

 

What's truly terrifying is once you've learned about those people, their origins, what they endured, their pain, what made them the way they are, and what they are fighting for, and still confidently categorize them as evil:

 

Is realizing that they're not all that different from you.

 

"It is less appealing, but morally more urgent, to understand the actions of the perpetrators. The moral danger, after all, is never that one might become a victim but that one might be a perpetrator or a bystander." - Timothy Snyder

[Vearsin]

I would say in general that the most popular baddies all have that villainous swagger that make people think the evulz are cool. That kind of villain might be a little too comic bookish for dragon age though. 

[bairdduvessa]

to me the best villains are the ones who believe they are doing good.  Magneto, (from Marvel) when written well is amazing.  Characters should be grounded, even when being the ultimate villain in the game.

Look at DA2, there are three characters who can be considered "villains" Meredith and Orsino depending on your views.  Though the game pushed Meredith to be viewed as the villain.

But ultimately the "villain" of the game ended up being Anders; he killed people to cause a war to happen, so that the debate can finally end and a resolution occur.

 

Villains need to be multi layered.  I think the last 1 dimensional villain I've enjoyed in games or even fiction was Sephiroth. 

[bairdduvessa]

Another great example would be the Architect 

[Nimlowyn]

Absolute conviction and sympathetic motives. To me, that was Meredith.

[xAmilli0n]

The best ones in my experience are the ones that the player can relate and sympathize with, and are equal to or superior in ability to the protagonist.  This can't be just gameplay though, the villain has to be shown to be competent, and absolutely able to achieve their goal if you don't attempt to intervene.

[bairdduvessa]

This. That is what made Loghain so great for a couple of people - though I felt the game didn't exactly try to communicate with me why he did what he did. In my first playthrough, he just seemed like your average all-evil villain. The only reason for me to let him live would be for his daughter.

yea if it wasn't for the books i wouldn't find him that interesting.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Absolute conviction and sympathetic motives. To me, that was Meredith.

She also had a large dose of crazy which didn't help.

[Capt. dusty]

Someone who is uncompromising and utterly without mercy.