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[Iakus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Actually I'd welcome that change + this whole cult around all these virtual girlfriends is pretty weird and awkward. Are the LI-s really so important for these games and stories? 

Obviously not to you, but they clearly are to others.  Fortunately it's entirely optional

And wanting Bioware to get rid of them would be just one more step towards making themjust like every other vanilla developer out there.  Might as well ask to get rid of Geralt's sex scenes in the Witcher games while you're at it.

[GimmeDaGun]

iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Actually I'd welcome that change + this whole cult around all these virtual girlfriends is pretty weird and awkward. Are the LI-s really so important for these games and stories? 

Obviously not to you, but they clearly are to others.  Fortunately it's entirely optional

And wanting Bioware to get rid of them would be just one more step towards making themjust like every other vanilla developer out there.  Might as well ask to get rid of Geralt's sex scenes in the Witcher games while you're at it.

I wouldn't mind getting rid of those too... they don't add much to the story really... 

[JamesFaith]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

I wouldn't mind getting rid of those too... they don't add much to the story really... 

But they are BW trademark since BG2. KOTOR, Jade Empire, DA and ME, romances are in every RPG made by BW.

Erasing them would be same like erasing open world setting in series TES and GTA, or leaving turn-based system from HOMAM series.

I know one example, when new team tried removed essential characteristics of series (Gothic IV: Arcania) and result was disaster. Fanbase refusal reaction was so strong that JoWood deleted whole offical forum in less then year.

[Lars10178]

I'd love to see them return, but I'm really looking forward to seeing how the game comes out with a new hero

[Gkonone]

Interesting, most people are quite done with Shepard then it seems.

I haven't touched the games after the disappointing ending of ME3 and knowing that was Shepard's last journey, but apparently a lot of people still play the games despite not wanting Shepard back.
I could be assuming too much though.

Modifié par Gkonone, 04 février 2014 - 12:59 .

[Derpy]

JamesFaith wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

I wouldn't mind getting rid of those too... they don't add much to the story really... 

But they are BW trademark since BG2. KOTOR, Jade Empire, DA and ME, romances are in every RPG made by BW.

Erasing them would be same like erasing open world setting in series TES and GTA, or leaving turn-based system from HOMAM series.

I know one example, when new team tried removed essential characteristics of series (Gothic IV: Arcania) and result was disaster. Fanbase refusal reaction was so strong that JoWood deleted whole offical forum in less then year.

Its not THAT importain. Some have gone thru the entire game without even knowing they exist. If I never googled what the best guns were I wouldnt have known they existed.

[JamesFaith]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Its not THAT importain. Some have gone thru the entire game without even knowing they exist. If I never googled what the best guns were I wouldnt have known they existed.

Maybe for you. Even I don't need them. But when someone with previous experiences with BW games buy new RPG he would expect romances.

This is trademark of BW, their most successful experiment on field of RPG. Erase romances and result would be fiery critique that this isnť "true BW RPG". There is reason why there are (were)  whole forum sections about possible LI in their games.

[liggy002]

I'm not buying ME4, with or without Shepard.

Modifié par liggy002, 04 février 2014 - 03:34 .

[AlanC9]

Gkonone wrote...

I haven't touched the games after the disappointing ending of ME3 and knowing that was Shepard's last journey, but apparently a lot of people still play the games despite not wanting Shepard back.
I could be assuming too much though.

I think you're right, though I wouldn't presume to put percentages on it. If I want more Shepard I've still got 3 full games of Shepard.

[Nykara]

I have totally lost my OMG give me the next ME game already enthusiasm I had knowing now that Shepard and CO wont be back.

[Saikyo_McRyu]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

imho, only a reaper-free, episodical reboot of the series with shepard and our favourate characters can save this universe.

- spin offs are usually only half as good as the main stories,
- everything set too far in the future would make the last series nearly pointless (+ ending problems)
- prequels can work ... but "sadly" the universe is in a stateof peace when the humans show up
- the first contact war only had some minor skirmishes ... it ended before it really started
- going "commandos" or "firefly" could work .. but where would be the driving conflict?

Well, four Bioware games from the past worked quite well as a smaller piece of a much larger gameworld: Baldur's Gate I and II and KOTOR I and II. These even addressed world-imperiling threats without ruining the larger setting as a whole.

Please, no reboots. That's a filthy enough word from the film industry stomping on it.

[TurianRebel212]

Nykara wrote...

I have totally lost my OMG give me the next ME game already enthusiasm I had knowing now that Shepard and CO wont be back.

Yep. Me too. 

I've said it before. And I will say it again. 

BioWare will never do work as good as the characters from Mass Effect. 

Never. They are in a class of their own. Especially the ME2 Dirty Dozen. 

One of the biggest mistakes that ME3 made was the blatant sidelining of the ME2 squad mates. 

ME3 didn't have the "pop" that ME2 had. Mostly cause of the ending, but also the charcters in ME3-with the exception of Javik and Garrus, are kinda lame. 

Modifié par TurianRebel212, 04 février 2014 - 01:03 .

[Derpy]

JamesFaith wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Its not THAT importain. Some have gone thru the entire game without even knowing they exist. If I never googled what the best guns were I wouldnt have known they existed.

Maybe for you. Even I don't need them. But when someone with previous experiences with BW games buy new RPG he would expect romances.

This is trademark of BW, their most successful experiment on field of RPG. Erase romances and result would be fiery critique that this isnť "true BW RPG". There is reason why there are (were)  whole forum sections about possible LI in their games.

Its so insignificant. I would take better gameplay and better story if they just dropped the LI system all together. Ill admit I did take part in it and it wasn't bad, some of the dialogue was good but I'd rather there be other things than this.

[Ultim Asari]

Gkonone wrote...

Interesting, most people are quite done with Shepard then it seems.

I haven't touched the games after the disappointing ending of ME3 and knowing that was Shepard's last journey, but apparently a lot of people still play the games despite not wanting Shepard back.
I could be assuming too much though.

I love Shepard, but I don't want to play her in 10 different games. She had a fantastic run that has a lot of replay value. But it is time for the next generation.

[Ultim Asari]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

JamesFaith wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

I wouldn't mind getting rid of those too... they don't add much to the story really... 

But they are BW trademark since BG2. KOTOR, Jade Empire, DA and ME, romances are in every RPG made by BW.

Erasing them would be same like erasing open world setting in series TES and GTA, or leaving turn-based system from HOMAM series.

I know one example, when new team tried removed essential characteristics of series (Gothic IV: Arcania) and result was disaster. Fanbase refusal reaction was so strong that JoWood deleted whole offical forum in less then year.

Its not THAT importain. Some have gone thru the entire game without even knowing they exist. If I never googled what the best guns were I wouldnt have known they existed.

So you want to take away a distinguishable part of a bioware rpg? If you don't like it, don't play it. But do not ask to remove it...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The LI system was great for the ME trilogy, but if they dropped it for the next game, I wouldn't be too sad.

IMO, they already did the best I could ever hope for in an LI with Miranda, and Shepard being as malleable as he is (until ME3 of course) made him the best male character I could imagine. So basically, I was ably to relation-sue the **** out of that couple.

So my universe already has its power couple. As it is, I don't think they need to focus on the LI's again, especially considering that the quality and general quantity has gone downhill.

Unless it's an LI like Bastila or Carth, I think they should just stick away from the whole LI thing from now on and focus on a reasonably good story.

[shodiswe]

The new might bring something nice and new.... They Created Shepard and the crew, what makes you think they can't create something similar again?

Bioware has a tradition of creating new protagonists and characters for new games. Shepard and CO was part of 3 games.

I'm not shocked that Shepards story is over. Shepard has been through enough imo. Time for retirement/death, whatever..

Modifié par shodiswe, 04 février 2014 - 02:54 .

[Daemul]

If Bioware get rid of romances I wouldn't bet an eyelid, they could focus resources on more important stuff, like gameplay.

[ArabianIGoggles]

Shepard doesn't need to be your character, but I would like to see him as the human councilor or Hackett's replacement as fleet admiral.

[katamuro]

While I would not say no to a Shepard and co cameo but a new hero would revitalise the game. Also lets be honest here, most of the people would buy the ME4 unless it really terrible and considering that they are actually taking their time this time round and with all the backlash from ME3 ending I doubt they will do anything too risky.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The ME trilogy in my opinion made so too mistakes on the story telling front that tying the next game down to Shepard, the Reapers, or Cerberus would ultimately be hanging a weight around it's a neck. I think they should just clean the slate the best they can and keep the story simple with new characters.

[wright1978]

Relationships whether platonic or romantic were a definite strength of the ME saga so i definitely wouldn't support the dropping of either aspect. I hope they improve the roleplaying elements rather than make further strip mining of them.

I wouldn't any attempt to shoehorn a Shep cameo or Shep future position. Any future game should not be set in Shep era and the details of his/her life should be left to player's imaginations.

[CronoDragoon]

Daemul wrote...

If Bioware get rid of romances I wouldn't bet an eyelid, they could focus resources on more important stuff, like gameplay.

I don't see how this is an either/or choice. ME3's gameplay was incredible and I thought the best romance scenes in the trilogy come from ME3.

[Kel Riever]

What ME4 needs is Shepard's wounded body to leap up from the rubble pile, all Hulk like, and straight into outer space. He/she should regenerate their body as they rise through the atmosphere, and the end of their super leap should place them right on board the bridge of the new Normandy!

You know, the reverse of the opening of ME2. It will be epic!

[Gkonone]

Ultim Asari wrote...

Gkonone wrote...

Interesting, most people are quite done with Shepard then it seems.

I haven't touched the games after the disappointing ending of ME3 and knowing that was Shepard's last journey, but apparently a lot of people still play the games despite not wanting Shepard back.
I could be assuming too much though.

I love Shepard, but I don't want to play her in 10 different games. She had a fantastic run that has a lot of replay value. But it is time for the next generation.

That was just the thing I was wondering. Apparently there is a lot of replay value in playing the trilogy to this day after so many years, yet a lot of people are done with/tired of Shepard. I find that a bit contradictory. Was curious about that.

On another note, as I still don't get the quoting here:
I do think including LI's is one of the trademarks of BW games and should be incluced in future games, it does add to the gameplay. Role playing games such as ME rely on immersion and LI's do add a great deal to that.

Modifié par Gkonone, 05 février 2014 - 01:29 .