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[spirosz]

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

[wolfsite]

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

True, if you played The Arrival DLC from ME2 that would be the first thing that would come to mind.

[Clayless]

wolfsite wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

The evidence you provided was assuming that the Crucible released the energy the same way that a massive rock crashing into it did. My evidence is the destroyed relays, the assumption that the Crucible didn't release the energy the same way a massive rock did, and the lack of destroyed systems.

Now you are making things up.

You will notice (if you even read any of my posts) that I was stating that the relays could not have released all of there energy, this means I never once assumed the same amount of energy was being released.

You're actually bouncing around different arguments. This is the first time you stated this for example, and your first post is about them not being destroyed because it would have destroyed the system. You also made up elements of a codex entry to try and help that.

Word of advice; drop the pretence that my argument is changing or I'm making things up, you could just go back a few posts and see that isn't remotely the case. It's disingenuous.

Now for Destroyed relays

de·stroy

4. to render ineffective or useless; nullify; neutralize; invalidate.

They were able to repair the relays, thus they were not destroyed.

One of the dictionary definitions supports that, but as you can see above in that quote, the English language allows for destroy to be used in this context.

Also I suggest you re-read what you typed cause it proves otherwise of what you seem to think is true.

Quote it for me.

[Mr.House]

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

Spi SPi, they thought Jacob cheating would not cause any issues.

Modifié par Mr.House, 04 février 2014 - 04:34 .

[wolfsite]

Robosexual wrote...

Quote it for me.

Happily

Robosexual wrote...

I'm not. I'm not even going on a small tangent away from my original argument.

You're
the one stating that the relays can't be destroyed, otherwise it would
destroy the system it's in, I'm the one pointing out that relies on the
assumption the Crucible released the energy the same way as a massive
rock crashing into it did.

My argument hasn't changed one bit. Literally nothing has changed about it.

Right here you are accusing me of saying Relays can not be destroyed, I never once claimed this, nor did I make the assumptions that the energy is being released the same way if either the Crucible or an asteroid caused the release.

and even the portion of the definition of Destroy you highlighted it still says to be rendered useless meaning it would not be repairable.  Since they did repair it that means they were not destroyed in the ME3 High EMS ending.

Modifié par wolfsite, 04 février 2014 - 04:36 .

[Ghost Lightning]

J. Reezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

Spi SPi, they thoguh Jacob cheating would not cause any issues.

What if they knew and just didn't care? It may not seem scary at first, but really think about it. Witches

So... basically apply the same line of reasoning that I assume they had throughout the entirety of ME3's development process? 

It all makes sense now.

[spirosz]

Mr.House wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

Spi SPi, they thought Jacob cheating would not cause any issues.

Like what in the fuck though.  

[Darks1d3]

 If we are going to discuss "crazy" as it applies to the choices we're given by the starbrat, I'd say destroy is the least crazy.

Ofcourse crazy is in itself somewhat subjective.

EDIT: I'm refering to one of Streets earlier posts, but apparently I took too long to formulate my response. Doesn't help that I'm trying to use my phone instead of my computer.

Modifié par Darks1d3, 04 février 2014 - 04:41 .

[spirosz]

J. Reezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

Spi SPi, they thoguh Jacob cheating would not cause any issues.

What if they knew and just didn't care? It may not seem scary at first, but really think about it. Witches

Oh my... I think you might be righjt though.  

[dreamgazer]

Mr.House wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

Spi SPi, they thought Jacob cheating would not cause any issues.

I wonder what percentage of the people who played the game actually gave a damn about this.

Let alone actually knew about it. 

[Mcfly616]

StreetMagic wrote...

Well, I didn't say it's lying. Just to be clear. I don't think he's lying about anything. If I did, I probably wouldn't like anything about the ending. I'm just saying that I put a lot of faith in the work on the Crucible. Walking into the blast puts a puzzling note on the whole sequence too. I don't want to call that sacrifice. I think he might be "loco", like I said. Or it's just a general sense of "F*ck off and die". His own wellbeing might not be a concern, but mentally, he'd be more focused on the enemy in that case. Sacrifice is a loaded word. I wish to avoid it when possible.

sorry for being unclear. I never thought you said he was. I was just simply speaking of my view. I don't think it's lying. I don't think it's wrong about the Crucible either (unlike you, I tend to think it knows what it's talking about). I just view Shepard as an anomaly. 



In terms of your whole "loco" bit....the way I see it is that he's just steeling himself and accepting his fate. Like a 'never back down' attitude. True grit. One last push. Hell, probably just a cinematic way of showing his determination. I mean, at that point I'm sure he has no illusions about his survival. I think he's at ground zero regardless of whether he takes a few steps in either direction or not. 

[wolfsite]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

Spi SPi, they thought Jacob cheating would not cause any issues.

I wonder what percentage of the people who played the game actually gave a damn about this.

Let alone actually knew about it. 

Never had a character romance Jacob, though that was more due to the Kanye Parody video that was made at the time.

[Clayless]

wolfsite wrote...

Happily

Robosexual wrote...

I'm not. I'm not even going on a small tangent away from my original argument.

You're
the one stating that the relays can't be destroyed, otherwise it would
destroy the system it's in, I'm the one pointing out that relies on the
assumption the Crucible released the energy the same way as a massive
rock crashing into it did.

My argument hasn't changed one bit. Literally nothing has changed about it.

Right here you are accusing me of saying Relays can not be destroyed, I never once claimed this.

Like I pointed out I never said that. Re-read what you just quoted.

and even the portion of the definition of Destroy you highlighted it still says to be rendered useless meaning it would not be repairable.  Since they did repair it that means they were not destroyed in the ME3 High EMS ending.

Renedered useless is not the same as irreparable.

[AlanC9]

wolfsite wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

True, if you played The Arrival DLC from ME2 that would be the first th that would come to mind.

I imagine they thought that showing the Citadel Relay not destroying Earth would be enough. The Citadel does exactly what the Charon Relay does, and the explosion isn't even enough to destroy the Citadel, let alone Earth.

[dreamgazer]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

Spi SPi, they thoguh Jacob cheating would not cause any issues.

What if they knew and just didn't care? It may not seem scary at first, but really think about it. Witches

So... basically apply the same line of reasoning that I assume they had throughout the entirety of ME3's development process? 

It all makes sense now.

Pretty much.  You're talking about the same folks who didn't care about killing and resurrecting Shepard into a quasi-cyborg at the beginning of ME2, after all, then forcing 'em to work with Cerberus.

[wolfsite]

Robosexual wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Happily

Robosexual wrote...

I'm not. I'm not even going on a small tangent away from my original argument.

You're
the one stating that the relays can't be destroyed, otherwise it would
destroy the system it's in, I'm the one pointing out that relies on the
assumption the Crucible released the energy the same way as a massive
rock crashing into it did.

My argument hasn't changed one bit. Literally nothing has changed about it.

Right here you are accusing me of saying Relays can not be destroyed, I never once claimed this.

Like I pointed out I never said that. Re-read what you just quoted.

and even the portion of the definition of Destroy you highlighted it still says to be rendered useless meaning it would not be repairable.  Since they did repair it that means they were not destroyed in the ME3 High EMS ending.

Renedered useless is not the same as irreparable.

If an item is made useless it means it can not be re-used or repaired.   Also keep in mind that it would take years if not decades to replace a relay and I doubt food stores would last for the fleet and earth in the time it would take to creat a new one, especially since there is no evidence showing that any council engineers know how to create a new relay from scratch.

Plus since Hackett narrates the destroy ending and you see human squadmates in the EC ending showing no signs of aging it concludes they repaired the existing relays meaning they were not destroyed.

Then there is this final nail in the coffin

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 Patrick Weekes on the ending and mass-relays:

Q: Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?

A:
No, they didn't. They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't
mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed. People
interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect.

Which proves the relays were not destroyed/

And I did re-read it, you were accusing me of something I never stated.  I never stated the energy released was the same, in fact all my arguements show otherwise yet you keep accusing me.

Modifié par wolfsite, 04 février 2014 - 04:49 .

[Ghost Lightning]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

Spi SPi, they thought Jacob cheating would not cause any issues.

I wonder what percentage of the people who played the game actually gave a damn about this.

Let alone actually knew about it. 

Probably all the ones that romanced Jacob.

[wolfsite]

AlanC9 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

True, if you played The Arrival DLC from ME2 that would be the first th that would come to mind.

I imagine they thought that showing the Citadel Relay not destroying Earth would be enough. The Citadel does exactly what the Charon Relay does, and the explosion isn't even enough to destroy the Citadel, let alone Earth.

True, but I think people thought the Sol Relay was destroyed which would have still wiped out earth along with the Sol system.

[dreamgazer]

Ghost Lightning wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

spirosz wrote...

How did they not expect people to interpret that though.

Spi SPi, they thought Jacob cheating would not cause any issues.

I wonder what percentage of the people who played the game actually gave a damn about this.

Let alone actually knew about it. 

Probably all the ones that romanced Jacob.

You don't say.

[TheMyron]

Indeed, happy endings don't usually happen in real life; but I play games (especially if its an RPG) to get away from real life.

Modifié par TheMyron, 04 février 2014 - 04:48 .

[spirosz]

TheMyron wrote...

Indeed, happy endings don't usually happen in real life; but I play games (especially if its an RPG) to get away from real life.

Jack is happy.