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[ImaginaryMatter]

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

It still amazes me to this day though that people who were satisfied with the EC are so willing to look past the really bad writing. Who cares that this this and that didn't make sense and sounded stupid. At least I got my memorial scene and cool speech from Control AI Shepard.

LOL @ things making sense in the MEU. 

I'm still waiting for them to explain how the cipher works and how the conduit defies the way relays operate.

I think the Cipher is an application of this idea: http://en.wikipedia....ive_Unconscious. The Thorian (through Thorian biology, I guess) absorbed the Collective Unconsious of the Protheans. Somehow it's able to be transfered through people mind probing each other, it's not the best explanation but this it helps me sleep at night.

I'm not sure what you mean by how the Conduit defies the way relays operate.

[dreamgazer]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

It still amazes me to this day though that people who were satisfied with the EC are so willing to look past the really bad writing. Who cares that this this and that didn't make sense and sounded stupid. At least I got my memorial scene and cool speech from Control AI Shepard.

LOL @ things making sense in the MEU. 

I'm still waiting for them to explain how the cipher works and how the conduit defies the way relays operate.

I think the Cipher is an application of this idea: http://en.wikipedia....ive_Unconscious. The Thorian (through Thorian biology, I guess) absorbed the Collective Unconsious of the Protheans. Somehow it's able to be transfered through people mind probing each other, it's not the best explanation but this it helps me sleep at night.

Accurate.  Doesn't excuse the bull around the transference, or the fact that it comes secondhand from a telepathic plant (lol).

I'm not sure what you mean by how the Conduit defies the way relays operate.

Relays aren't teleportation devices. 

[CronoDragoon]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

It still amazes me to this day though that people who were satisfied with the EC are so willing to look past the really bad writing. Who cares that this this and that didn't make sense and sounded stupid. At least I got my memorial scene and cool speech from Control AI Shepard.

Bioware games have really bad writing and really good writing. Looking past the bad writing to enjoy the good writing is no more amazing than ignoring the good to focus on the bad.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 07 février 2014 - 02:02 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean by how the Conduit defies the way relays operate.

Relays aren't teleportation devices. 

In the cutscene the Conduit seems to operate in the same manner the relays do in all the other cutscenes.

[dreamgazer]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean by how the Conduit defies the way relays operate.

Relays aren't teleportation devices. 

In the cutscene the Conduit seems to operate in the same manner the relays do in all the other cutscenes.

Realys also need to be aligned with one another and navigated by starships. 

[Mr.House]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean by how the Conduit defies the way relays operate.

Relays aren't teleportation devices. 

In the cutscene the Conduit seems to operate in the same manner the relays do in all the other cutscenes.

Then explain how Shepard and co went through metal walls.

[DeinonSlayer]

Mr.House wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean by how the Conduit defies the way relays operate.

Relays aren't teleportation devices. 

In the cutscene the Conduit seems to operate in the same manner the relays do in all the other cutscenes.

Then explain how Shepard and co went through metal walls.

If you look, after the Mako zaps into the Presidium in ME1, you can actually see a big hole punched through the outer wall. We'll just say that mass effect fields kept the Presidium airtight. 

[Mr.House]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean by how the Conduit defies the way relays operate.

Relays aren't teleportation devices. 

In the cutscene the Conduit seems to operate in the same manner the relays do in all the other cutscenes.

Then explain how Shepard and co went through metal walls.

If you look, after the Mako zaps into the Presidium in ME1, you can actually see a big hole punched through the outer wall. We'll just say that mass effect fields kept the Presidium airtight. 

That just makes things worse..... Because now the question is how did that hole get there.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Mr.House wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean by how the Conduit defies the way relays operate.

Relays aren't teleportation devices. 

In the cutscene the Conduit seems to operate in the same manner the relays do in all the other cutscenes.

Then explain how Shepard and co went through metal walls.

Mass Relays work by creating a mass free corridor right? Perhaps objects in that corridor do not interact with matter in the usual sense. Ships don't blow up normally travelling through relays even though there is all sorts of gas and other particles that must get in the way, not to mention blue-shifted light that would cut through ships other wise.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The relays are teleportation devices for cut scene purposes. The other thing is that the Prothean's Mass Relay was more advanced than the Reaper's version and actually was a teleportation device! Or for all practical purposes they are teleportation devices.

It's the same principle regarding kinetic barriers not working during cut scenes - Nihlus, and The Illusive Man's. Or working too well in the case of Kai Leng's, or Shepard's beam run prior to pickup.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 07 février 2014 - 02:27 .

[Mr.House]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The relays are teleportation devices for cut scene purposes. The other thing is that the Prothean's Mass Relay was more advanced than the Reaper's version and actually was a teleportation device! Or for all practical purposes they are teleportation devices.

It's the same principle regarding kinetic barriers not working during cut scenes - Nihlus, and The Illusive Man's. Or working too well in the case of Kai Leng's, or Shepard's beam run prior to pickup.

Not all the time, the Omega 4 relay was a classic jump in the cutscene.

[dreamgazer]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The other thing is that the Prothean's Mass Relay was more advanced than the Reaper's version and actually was a teleportation device!

Beginner's luck, I suppose. 

[ImaginaryMatter]

dreamgazer wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

I'm not sure what you mean by how the Conduit defies the way relays operate.

Relays aren't teleportation devices. 

In the cutscene the Conduit seems to operate in the same manner the relays do in all the other cutscenes.

Realys also need to be aligned with one another and navigated by starships. 

I heard that was in Revelation. But do they physically move to align or is the process not visable? None of the other relays in the game, at least if I recall, move before ships go through them.

I've never heard of relay travel being restricted to starships, what quality does a ship have that the Mako doesn't when it comes to traveling through relays?

[ImaginaryMatter]

tickle267 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...
Mass Relays work by creating a mass free corridor right? Perhaps objects in that corridor do not interact with matter in the usual sense. Ships don't blow up normally travelling through relays even though there is all sorts of gas and other particles that must get in the way, not to mention blue-shifted light that would cut through ships other wise.

huh?

Light heading towards the ship would gain lethal laser like properties.

[DeinonSlayer]

tickle267 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...
Mass Relays work by creating a mass free corridor right? Perhaps objects in that corridor do not interact with matter in the usual sense. Ships don't blow up normally travelling through relays even though there is all sorts of gas and other particles that must get in the way, not to mention blue-shifted light that would cut through ships other wise.

huh?

As you approach the speed of light, what we see as visible light would be blue-shifted to X-ray and gamma frequencies, lethal to humans.

[DeinonSlayer]

tickle267 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...
Mass Relays work by creating a mass free corridor right? Perhaps objects in that corridor do not interact with matter in the usual sense. Ships don't blow up normally travelling through relays even though there is all sorts of gas and other particles that must get in the way, not to mention blue-shifted light that would cut through ships other wise.

huh?

As you approach the speed of light, what we see as visible light would be blue-shifted to X-ray and gamma frequencies, lethal to humans.

I know that (see my previous post). however, imaginarymatter seems to think that blue shift turns light into some kind of laser beam that can slice through ships travelling at ftl, which is balderdash.

Gotcha. Didn't read his post close enough.

[DoomsdayDevice]

CronoDragoon wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Yeah, remember when Chris Priestly polled about a thousand respondents on holdtheline, and a whopping 80% believed in IT?

Pre or post EC? Link? Not that I don't believe you but I don't in fact remember this.

Yeah, pre-EC.

http://holdtheline.c...on-theory.1909/

[ImaginaryMatter]

tickle267 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...
Mass Relays work by creating a mass free corridor right? Perhaps objects in that corridor do not interact with matter in the usual sense. Ships don't blow up normally travelling through relays even though there is all sorts of gas and other particles that must get in the way, not to mention blue-shifted light that would cut through ships other wise.

huh?

As you approach the speed of light, what we see as visible light would be blue-shifted to X-ray and gamma frequencies, lethal to humans.

I know that (see my previous post). however, imaginarymatter seems to think that blue shift turns light into some kind of laser beam that can slice through ships travelling at ftl, which is balderdash.

Ya, only now when I look back do I realize that what I said was pretty dumb. I'm not really sure what I was thinking.

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 07 février 2014 - 04:47 .

[wright1978]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

I think the reason as to why they didn't expand on the breath scene was because they didn't want one ending to seem way more appealing than the others, by having the Hero survive and reunite with his crew. Their intention with the EC was to expand on the endings, but not change them. 

Very sad if it is  true that this is the reason why they refused to provide any clarification or closure for fans achieving the high ems destroy ending in an ec designed to provide clarification and closure. 

[Mathias]

dreamgazer wrote...



They also could have made Control and Synthesis even more "appealing" to even the balance, but they didn't.

And they had plenty of time. They simply made the decision to go this route because they wanted to.

But they kinda did actually. I didn't find them appealing, but I saw what they were going for. That whole monologue with Shepard in the Control ending pretty much spelled out that he'll be using the Reapers for good to help rebuild and protect the galaxy, whereas before it was completely up in the air what he did with them.

I don't agree with them having plenty of time because I doubt EA said "Oh yeah yeah yeah, take as much time as you need. It's cool." They had a deadline.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 07 février 2014 - 02:49 .

[Mathias]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

It still amazes me to this day though that people who were satisfied with the EC are so willing to look past the really bad writing. Who cares that this this and that didn't make sense and sounded stupid. At least I got my memorial scene and cool speech from Control AI Shepard.

Bioware games have really bad writing and really good writing. Looking past the bad writing to enjoy the good writing is no more amazing than ignoring the good to focus on the bad.

Unless the ENTIRE ending consists of bad writing and is the last thing you see in the story. I can look past shoddy writing here and there in the middle of the story. But not at the very end where it's suppose to provide resolution and closure.

[Mathias]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

It still amazes me to this day though that people who were satisfied with the EC are so willing to look past the really bad writing. Who cares that this this and that didn't make sense and sounded stupid. At least I got my memorial scene and cool speech from Control AI Shepard.

If we're being frank....um yea why not? If the OP is telling us anything coherent it's that he prioritizes the outcome of the story more so than whether it's great writing or not. 

There's nothing amazing about people being happy with their outcome. 

Well some people like myself have standards, what can I tell ya? I'm not a nitpicker, but if something is blantently awful and nonsensical, then I can't look past it.