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[jetblack01]

Armass81 wrote...

jetblack01 wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Shepard lives in high ems destroy.... For a reason.

But anyways. Yeah. Ending is full scrub. BioWare really, REALLY went full retard with the ending.

Hudson said it was "high level stuff".


Yeah..... If you're mentally challenged, then maybe.

Maybe.

Problem with the high EMS he lives ending is that it feels no different than anyof the other endings. In my destroy high EMS ending i still get Liara putting my nameplate up with the dead, even though then i do the gasp of breath.

So there i am screaming at the computer...i´m still effing alive!

Actually your LI doesnt put that nameplate up, she looks up and senses youre still alive. And so you are.

It suggests that Shepard has indeed survived. Unfortunately after that it doesnt show anyhting else. You have to make it up in your head.

actually you are right. i just watched that ending again on youtube, (cant do the torture of replaying it) and she doesnt actually put the nameplate up it remains in her hand. I think when i played through it i was so annoyed she even had the name plate in her hand i turned away in disgust, missing the fact she does not actually put it up.

So i am assuming in the endings where Shep dies the LI actually is shown placing the nameplate next to Anderson?

[jetblack01]

Daemul wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

jetblack01 wrote...

Valhart wrote...

You haven't played a lot of RPGs I take it?

What a silly flippant remark. I´ve been playing pc games since 86 which sort of shows my age. Please name all those RPGs you claim kill the main character at end of game?

Not all RPG's but


Chrono Trigger
Fallout 3 (before DLC)
Dragon Age: Origins (Though you can choose)
Fire Emblem: Awakening (Choice)
Red Dead Redemption
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
God of War 3
Heavy Rain
Lufia 2: Rise of the Sinistrels
Persona series
InFamous 2

Doesn't the protagonist die in every Call of Duty game?

As you yourself pointed out alot ofthose are not RPGs, and in the ones where you can die if you so wish there is atleast a satisfactory "lives" ending. 

In theory you can live in ME3 but its totally overshadowed by the dearthy depressing endings.

Of course i am very pinickity about RPGs and have only played Dragon Age and FO 3 from your list. But it is at least supe rare to kill off the PC at end of game. 

My OP was just saying to Bioware that i will wait to hear on their games endings before i invest emotionally again. If you like death endings thats great, all thepower to you, and then you wont mind if they do that again next time they want to "move on" from a series. I´ll take a pass.

[Daemul]

jetblack01 wrote...

Daemul wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

jetblack01 wrote...

Valhart wrote...

You haven't played a lot of RPGs I take it?

What a silly flippant remark. I´ve been playing pc games since 86 which sort of shows my age. Please name all those RPGs you claim kill the main character at end of game?

Not all RPG's but


Chrono Trigger
Fallout 3 (before DLC)
Dragon Age: Origins (Though you can choose)
Fire Emblem: Awakening (Choice)
Red Dead Redemption
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
God of War 3
Heavy Rain
Lufia 2: Rise of the Sinistrels
Persona series
InFamous 2

Doesn't the protagonist die in every Call of Duty game?

As you yourself pointed out alot ofthose are not RPGs, and in the ones where you can die if you so wish there is atleast a satisfactory "lives" ending. 

In theory you can live in ME3 but its totally overshadowed by the dearthy depressing endings.

Of course i am very pinickity about RPGs and have only played Dragon Age and FO 3 from your list. But it is at least supe rare to kill off the PC at end of game. 

My OP was just saying to Bioware that i will wait to hear on their games endings before i invest emotionally again. If you like death endings thats great, all thepower to you, and then you wont mind if they do that again next time they want to "move on" from a series. I´ll take a pass.

You quoted the wrong guy.

[jetblack01]

sorry

[KotorEffect3]

This is friggin pathetic. I have never seen a more pathetic group of people than these ending whiners. It's been 2 years. People need to grow up

[jetblack01]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

This is friggin pathetic. I have never seen a more pathetic group of people than these ending whiners. It's been 2 years. People need to grow up

Not eveyone played the game 2 years ago.....i only recently got time to finnish my ME adventure having played both ME1 and ME2 to death years ago.

And anyways i dont see how its any less relevant today than it was 2 years ago. Ending has not changed. 

[JCDNWarrior]

First of all, a game where a protagonist dies but the game continues as another character does not classify to me as a actual death, especially when the occurance wasn't in a RPG game series where you deeply connect and identify with the protagonist, even moreso if the death wasn't at the end of the game where the goal of survival and success is central.

To me, the entire arguement about the endings can be summed up simply: Look at the suicide mission of ME2, or even Denerim in Dragon Age Origins, that's the way(s) it should've been but full scale, showing off every military asset and tactic that you gathered. Elcor Living Tanks, for instance. If you completely screw up, you gradually lose more and more teammates/assets and Shepard will also die. Or you can have total success if you've done everything right and results in for instance meeting certain allies/old teammates that help you towards your goals. (Details can include a more traditional final battle against Harbinger and friends with your trusty Cain at the Citadel after helping liberate parts of said Citadel and rescuing Aria, Bailey and others (or if the mission goes bad, they might already be dead) as well as a much larger battle sequence showing the varied mixed tactics of the entire galaxy in the buildup towards that point), in space and on the ground.

There was no reason for the space magic star child bull. There still is no reason. Nothing Bioware does will validate the total inconsistency and loss of narrative cohesion that it represents. Retconning it out of existence is one important step in making any ME sequel even remotely interesting.

Bioware dropped the ball, most of all due to a few writers trying to grab glory as well as EA has been hot on their tails since day 1 forcing Bioware to rush the game all the more (remember the delays, for instance).
When looking for solutions in hindsight, it would've been wiser to make ME3 a ME2-esque side-story to both please the investors and businessmen at EA as well as keeping the game series and universe going into ME4 and perhaps even more games.

Even though there are pages full of details that could be discussed about things that could have been, should have been, shouldn't have been, might have been, must've been, I believe firmly that this is the core of the matter.

Though I shall leave you with this beautiful rendition of what the ending also could've been:

http://koobismo.devi...lery/?offset=72 (start from bottom upwards, from page 4 towards page 1).

Modifié par JCDNWarrior, 03 février 2014 - 01:46 .

[angol fear]

"why Shepard is about to dissapear, nothing to do with Reapers and all to do with commercialism at EA and Bioware. "

Really? If it was commercialism you would have a happy ending. there's no doubt about it. Take a look at Hollywood's writing.

[fchopin]

Relax op, take your girlfriend out and have a glass of wine, you will feel better.

[AlexMBrennan]

thats why they invented save and load.

Well, I sure hope you don't ever run into any roguelikes (e.g. FTL) or actualy pen-and-paper RPG sessions...
DM: Rocks fall, everyone dies.
Alice: I reload the last quicksave.

[Iakus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

That and "maybe" for being the epic and spectacular last chapter of a sci-fi adventure game trilogy. Believe me, it's only the hardcore fans who care so much about the ending. I'm talking about those poeple who invested weeks of their lives into the first two games, those who buy merchandise, write and read fan-fiction etc.. Casual players and a great part of the fandom don't care about it regardless what they thinked about it when they were playing.  

And was it really so smart to p*ss off the most heavilly invested that way? The ones most likely to buy the dlc, the merchandise, the ones who most reliably preorder Bioware games?

Plus I'm willing to bet that a number of the more casual players simply quietly gave up in disgust

[SlottsMachine]

StreetMagic wrote...

A lot of casual players don't even finish games like this.

Or any game for that matter. 

[dragonflight288]

General Slotts wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

A lot of casual players don't even finish games like this.

Or any game for that matter. 

True. Like my sister. She likes playing video games, but she likes facebook and hanging out with friends a lot more. She'll play for a few days, get distracted, then she loses almost all interest. 

[AresKeith]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

This is friggin pathetic. I have never seen a more pathetic group of people than these ending whiners. It's been 2 years. People need to grow up

Bro, chillax and get a custom avi

[SlottsMachine]

AresKeith wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

This is friggin pathetic. I have never seen a more pathetic group of people than these ending whiners. It's been 2 years. People need to grow up

Bro, chillax and get a custom avi

[Dubozz]

Welcome to BSN OP. You are right. Ending sucks big time.

[Br3admax]

General Slotts wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

This is friggin pathetic. I have never seen a more pathetic group of people than these ending whiners. It's been 2 years. People need to grow up

Bro, chillax and get a custom avi

[Daemul]

AresKeith wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

This is friggin pathetic. I have never seen a more pathetic group of people than these ending whiners. It's been 2 years. People need to grow up

Bro, chillax and get a custom avi

Custom avatars are too much hard work

[Mcfly616]

jetblack01 wrote...


art imitates life is rather cliched really and i would not agree because life is so complex no art can possiblty imitate it. So i just don´t get the analogy you are making. 

Show me a piece of art that accurately imitates life? Sounds good but in practice it doesnt make sense. 

who cares how "cliche" it is. Clearly you view the saying in a completely different way than every other person on the planet. Nobody says "art imitates life" and means that the art they're talking about completely embodies and fully replicates what life is in every essence of the word. No, the saying means that the two have similarities, it means that art feeds off of life and is inspired by it. 

You say you don't want to feel like an "actor in a soap opera", then you say it's "a computer game". Well, in any fiction, all the participants are actors. Most fiction has the very same elements a soap opera has. In fact, Mass Effect was a "Space Opera". Seems like you want it both ways. The character was not invincible and consequently died, therefore you say you felt like an "actor" (yet, Shepard dying is one of the more realistic events of the ending).  And you're reasoning for your distaste is that it's "computer game"


You don't make any sense. So, you don't want to be an actor in a fictional world....You want to be a real guy in a fictional world? Probably not. Any game you play, you're playing an actor, you are acting, you are roleplaying. Just admit that you wanted to be invincible and immortal. You're just beating around the bush.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 03 février 2014 - 05:27 .

[maaaad365]

I tend to agree with the initial post, with only one objection. I will buy a game IF, and ONLY IF and AFTER I watch a complete walkthrogh of ME4 ( on Youtube probably ). If the game sucks then I won't buy it. If by some miraculous way they managed to fix the ME3 ending with the ME4 storyline, then I will give my money to Bioware/EA.

[Br3admax]

Homie, I hope you aren't jumping on the Shepard-doesn't-really-survive bandwagon.

[SwobyJ]

OP, just let the story play out. Shepard had to go. Everything will change, but on their terms.

youtu.be/OIxc_RPeepc

www.songlyrics.com/haken/the-mind-s-eye-lyrics/

"I was in complete darkness..." -Eve

Modifié par SwobyJ, 03 février 2014 - 05:49 .

[Armass81]

jetblack01 wrote...

Armass81 wrote...

jetblack01 wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Shepard lives in high ems destroy.... For a reason.

But anyways. Yeah. Ending is full scrub. BioWare really, REALLY went full retard with the ending.

Hudson said it was "high level stuff".


Yeah..... If you're mentally challenged, then maybe.

Maybe.

Problem with the high EMS he lives ending is that it feels no different than anyof the other endings. In my destroy high EMS ending i still get Liara putting my nameplate up with the dead, even though then i do the gasp of breath.

So there i am screaming at the computer...i´m still effing alive!

Actually your LI doesnt put that nameplate up, she looks up and senses youre still alive. And so you are.

It suggests that Shepard has indeed survived. Unfortunately after that it doesnt show anyhting else. You have to make it up in your head.

actually you are right. i just watched that ending again on youtube, (cant do the torture of replaying it) and she doesnt actually put the nameplate up it remains in her hand. I think when i played through it i was so annoyed she even had the name plate in her hand i turned away in disgust, missing the fact she does not actually put it up.

So i am assuming in the endings where Shep dies the LI actually is shown placing the nameplate next to Anderson?

Yep.