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[AresKeith]

SilJeff wrote...

Its been two years. Time to move on if you are really that upset over it

What makes you think the OP isn't new to ME3?

[Mr.House]

Robosexual wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

That depends on whether or not the Crucible releases the energy the same way as a massive rock. A lot of us on BSN didn't think so (before EC) and after EC Bioware confirmed that, albeit with a graphical change during the cutscene.

The codex in ME3 even states when a Relay is destroyed the energy released will devastate the entire star system which is why plans to destroy relays in certain systems to eliminate Reaper forces was shot down.  Thus the Relay's were not destroyed only damaged but in a repairable state.  The Crucible is connected to the Citadel and as you stated the Citadel is a Relay meaning it has the exact same, if not more, energy contained in it meaning if it was destroyed there would be no possible way for the earth, let alone the fleets, to survive that explosion.  Thus again the relays were not destroyed.

Or the Crucible released the energy differently than a massive rock.

So why did Bioware change the explosion from the relay? Or the fact that they don't explode like they did back at launch?

[wolfsite]

Robosexual wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

That depends on whether or not the Crucible releases the energy the same way as a massive rock. A lot of us on BSN didn't think so (before EC) and after EC Bioware confirmed that, albeit with a graphical change during the cutscene.

The codex in ME3 even states when a Relay is destroyed the energy released will devastate the entire star system which is why plans to destroy relays in certain systems to eliminate Reaper forces was shot down.  Thus the Relay's were not destroyed only damaged but in a repairable state.  The Crucible is connected to the Citadel and as you stated the Citadel is a Relay meaning it has the exact same, if not more, energy contained in it meaning if it was destroyed there would be no possible way for the earth, let alone the fleets, to survive that explosion.  Thus again the relays were not destroyed.

Or the Crucible released the energy differently than a massive rock.

You stated they were destroyed, when a relay is destroyed the energy released destroys the star system the relay is in.  There were two relays in the Sol System, The Sol Relay and the Citadel, if they were both destroyed there is absolutely no chance of anything surviving,  The fact that the Sol system still exists shows that the energy released was minial indicating the relays were not destroyed as they were able to retain there energy.

[Clayless]

StreetMagic wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Ignoring the fact that a lot of this post is bizarre and nonsensical;

Of course not. You can take any view you want, it just has to hold water.

Bullsh*t. You don't want anything to hold water. Any argument is irrelevant to you. Someone can simply tell you they believe the breath scene, and you're relentless. You should leave them alone after that, but you're unable to. Whether you know it or not, you come off kind of like you're attempting to be domineering. So if that's case, f*ck you and leave me alone. And if it's not the case, f*ck you and leave me alone anyways. You're just as nasty as David.

Don't try to start them then, don't try to end them half way through with another statement in the argument and a  "we're done" immediately afterwards (all before the person has replied to your post), and don't end them with bizzare nonsensical statements like said person wants you to "suck their ***k".

Your argument fell through and you've resorted to trying to project motives onto me in an attempt to come across as some sort of victim. It wasn't you I attacked (despite all your attacks to my character on this last page with made up motives) it was a debate on the argument you presented. If you don't want those, don't have them, or at the very least don't try to pretend the person having it with you is "nasty".

Anyway I don't usually respond to posts like this, though it would be silly of me not to defend myself here. But our debate finished, so yeah we're done. If you want to start it up again I'm fine with that, but if you just want to attack my character in an attempt to make yourself look like a victim, don't expect me to respond.

[Kel Riever]

OP: Join the long list. You'll never convince the blind faith fans who do more work than bioware trying to connect inexcusable inconsistencies. They're really mad at you for not doing the same, by the way, if you couldn't tell from their posts. And they are looking forward to the set of razor blades that are going to be included in the next release of Mass Effect.

Because razor blades are imaginative and artistic....

Modifié par Kel Riever, 04 février 2014 - 03:11 .

[liggy002]

Kel Riever wrote...

OP: Join the long list. You'll never convince the blind faith fans who do more work than bioware trying to connect inexcusable inconsistencies. They're really mad at you for not doing the same, by the way, if you couldn't tell from their posts. And they are looking forward to the set of razor blades that are going to be included in the next release of Mass Effect.

Because razor blades are imaginative and artistic....

Haha, and the truth shall set you free... +1000 

Modifié par liggy002, 04 février 2014 - 03:13 .

[Clayless]

Mr.House wrote...

So why did Bioware change the explosion from the relay? Or the fact that they don't explode like they did back at launch?

To clarify the confusion over whether or not the Crucible released the energy the same as a massive rock, for those that thought it did, in the best way possible.

wolfsite wrote...

You stated they were destroyed, when a relay is destroyed the energy released destroys the star system the relay is in.  There were two relays in the Sol System, The Sol Relay and the Citadel, if they were both destroyed there is absolutely no chance of anything surviving,  The fact that the Sol system still exists shows that the energy released was minial indicating the relays were not destroyed as they were able to retain there energy.

Or that the Crucible released the energy differently than a massive rock crashing into it.

[liggy002]

wolfsite wrote...

jetblack01 wrote...

Valhart wrote...

You haven't played a lot of RPGs I take it?

What a silly flippant remark. I´ve been playing pc games since 86 which sort of shows my age. Please name all those RPGs you claim kill the main character at end of game?

Not all RPG's but


Chrono Trigger
Fallout 3 (before DLC)
Dragon Age: Origins (Though you can choose)
Fire Emblem: Awakening (Choice)
Red Dead Redemption
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
God of War 3
Heavy Rain
Lufia 2: Rise of the Sinistrels
Persona series
InFamous 2

You are able to save Chrono from death in Chrono Trigger.  Also, I wouldn't consider "Heavy Rain" an RPG.  It is an interactive adventure game.  I also though God of War was a straight action game but I haven't played that one so can't comment with any certainty.

[wolfsite]

Robosexual wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

So why did Bioware change the explosion from the relay? Or the fact that they don't explode like they did back at launch?

To clarify the confusion over whether or not the Crucible released the energy the same as a massive rock, for those that thought it did, in the best way possible.

wolfsite wrote...

You stated they were destroyed, when a relay is destroyed the energy released destroys the star system the relay is in.  There were two relays in the Sol System, The Sol Relay and the Citadel, if they were both destroyed there is absolutely no chance of anything surviving,  The fact that the Sol system still exists shows that the energy released was minial indicating the relays were not destroyed as they were able to retain there energy.

Or that the Crucible released the energy differently than a massive rock crashing into it.

Which indicated the Relays were not destroyed, your original arguement was that they were destroyed.

[wolfsite]

liggy002 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

jetblack01 wrote...

Valhart wrote...

You haven't played a lot of RPGs I take it?

What a silly flippant remark. I´ve been playing pc games since 86 which sort of shows my age. Please name all those RPGs you claim kill the main character at end of game?

Not all RPG's but


Chrono Trigger
Fallout 3 (before DLC)
Dragon Age: Origins (Though you can choose)
Fire Emblem: Awakening (Choice)
Red Dead Redemption
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
God of War 3
Heavy Rain
Lufia 2: Rise of the Sinistrels
Persona series
InFamous 2

You are able to save Chrono from death in Chrono Trigger.  Also, I wouldn't consider "Heavy Rain" an RPG.  It is an interactive adventure game.  I also though God of War was a straight action game but I haven't played that one so can't comment with any certainty.

I did state they were not all RPG's, they are all games where the main character can die.

[Clayless]

wolfsite wrote...

Which indicated the Relays were not destroyed, your original arguement was that they were destroyed.

It's not changed. You're the one saying that a destroyed relay will destroy the system it's in, because that's what happened when a massive rock destroyed one, and I'm just pointing out that relies on the assumption the Crucible released the energy the same way as a massive rock crashing into it did.

Modifié par Robosexual, 04 février 2014 - 03:28 .

[wolfsite]

Robosexual wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Which indicated the Relays were not destroyed, your original arguement was that they were destroyed.

It's not changed. You're the one saying that a destroyed relay will destroy the system it's in, because that's what happened when a massive rock destroyed one, and I'm just pointing out that relies on the assumption the Crucible released the energy the same way as a massive rock crashing into it did.

The codex quite clearly states that the release of energy from a mass Relay (regardless of how it is destroyed) will destroy the system the relay is in.

[Mcfly616]

Shepard sacrifices himself in Destroy. Fact.

[Iakus]

wolfsite wrote...

I did state they were not all RPG's, they are all games where the main character can die.

Can=/=Must

[wolfsite]

iakus wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

I did state they were not all RPG's, they are all games where the main character can die.

Can=/=Must

Very well, some they can, some they must.

[Steelcan]

StreetMagic wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Shepard sacrifices himself in Destroy. Fact.

Low EMS maybe.

Unless you're going into HYR territory, and imagining that all his/her legs and arms are blown off and thinking it's just a torso and head and it's the last gasping breath. I can't really say that isn't the case, but I'd say it's far fetched. Unless Bioware is more trollish than I thought.

nah, they'd never act like that

[Clayless]

wolfsite wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Which indicated the Relays were not destroyed, your original arguement was that they were destroyed.

It's not changed. You're the one saying that a destroyed relay will destroy the system it's in, because that's what happened when a massive rock destroyed one, and I'm just pointing out that relies on the assumption the Crucible released the energy the same way as a massive rock crashing into it did.

The codex quite clearly states that the release of energy from a mass Relay (regardless of how it is destroyed) will destroy the system the relay is in.

No, the Codex states that military planners have considered destroying mass relays in their quest to stop the Reapers because, due to Arrival, they now know they can be destroyed, but haven't actually gone through with it. It also doesn't say "regardless of how it is destroyed", it just says a ruptured relay liberates enough energy to ruin any terrestrial world in the relay's solar system, which is true.

Saying that the codex states the release of energy, regardless of how it's destroyed, from a mass relay will destroy the system it's in just isn't true. The codex just states that military planners have considered destroying relays due to the events in Arrival and the amount of energy it released.

[Steelcan]

StreetMagic wrote...

I think they were pressed for time with Tali. Not trolling.

It's lame, but I honestly think they did the best they could there.

If thats the best they can do I honestly that is all an elaborate troll

[Mcfly616]

StreetMagic wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Shepard sacrifices himself in Destroy. Fact.

Low EMS maybe.

Unless you're going into HYR territory, and imagining that all his/her legs and arms are blown off and thinking it's just a torso and head and it's the last gasping breath. I can't really say that isn't the case, but I'd say it's far fetched. Unless Bioware is more trollish than I thought.

you assume he actually knows he'll survive based on the games EMS score.....nice.

[wolfsite]

Robosexual wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

Which indicated the Relays were not destroyed, your original arguement was that they were destroyed.

It's not changed. You're the one saying that a destroyed relay will destroy the system it's in, because that's what happened when a massive rock destroyed one, and I'm just pointing out that relies on the assumption the Crucible released the energy the same way as a massive rock crashing into it did.

The codex quite clearly states that the release of energy from a mass Relay (regardless of how it is destroyed) will destroy the system the relay is in.

No, the Codex states that military planners have considered destroying mass relays in their quest to stop the Reapers because, due to Arrival, they now know they can be destroyed, but haven't actually gone through with it. It also doesn't say "regardless of how it is destroyed", it just says a ruptured relay liberates enough energy to ruin any terrestrial world in the relay's solar system, which is true.

Saying that the codex states the release of energy, regardless of how it's destroyed, from a mass relay will destroy the system it's in just isn't true. The codex just states that military planners have considered destroying relays due to the events in Arrival and the amount of energy it released.

You are getting away from your original arguement, you stated the Relays were destroyed, a destroyed relay would release all it's energy destroying the system it was in.  The fact the systems were not destroyed indicates the relays were not destroyed as the only way for teh same amount of energy to be released without destroying the system would require a slower leak of the energy over a much longer period of time which would still indicate the relay's were not destoyed.

Again I am only argueing the fact that you stated they were destroyed while evidence has shown (even evidence you have provided) they were not destroyed.