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[AutumnWitch]

Ok so last night I was playing the Legacy DLC again and since this was my tenth plus time playing it I was really able to relax and pay attention to some things that were going on. And things are not adding up at all.

(I also posted a thread here a while back explaining how I think its the Tevinters who are causing all the problems that are leading to DAI. (http://social.biowar.../index/17809375) and will get back to this later.)

So after defeating Corypheus, Larius thanked us three times for giving him his freedom. This makes no sense at all. Accordig to Larius's letters, he had left the Wardens due to his calling. (http://dragonage.wik...s_Final_Missive). If this is true then even by killing Corypheus all we would have done, is got Cory's voice out of Larius's head. He would still be going mad due to the calling. So Cory's death would have no affect on that.

(Otherwise, if Cory's death did clear Larius's "calling" madness then all other Grey Wardens would also be affected and as fas as we know, that has not happened.)

Also, if you watch, the instant you free Corypheus, Larius runs like hell out of the battle although during the whole time that you meet him, he goes on and on about how Corypheus needs to die. He goes into the chamber to help you fight him BUT the second Cory becomes fully conscious, Larius has a total change of heart. Keep in mind he is a bloody Warden who has been killing dark spawn his whole adult life. He was a Warden Commander for goodness sake. He is NOT a coward and would not run away from this battle if he was in control of his own will.

Put these facts together and you have an equation that does not add up in the least. PLUS, then Cassandra tells Varric later that they never found anyone called Larius. This is BAD.

I have been resisting this whole time thinking that Corypheus could still be alive (due to my love of Hawke) but if Corypheus possessed Larius it would explain it all.

Also, remember in DA2 during the battle with the Qunari the Grey Wardens show up but explain that they are there for something more important than the Qunari invasion. We are left to assume that they are there due to something with the Mages/Templars or possibly Orlais problems BUT they also say that can't be involved with political concerns as they have to remain neutral. So is it possible that they are there in relation to tracking down a rogue Warden (Larius) or even hunting for Corypheus directly?

Now when Cory awakens before the battle he still thinks the Teviter Imperium is in control of Thedas. If he did possess Larius then he would logically go to the Imperium as that is where he feels he belongs. Now, if you put someone as powerful as Cory into the hands of the current Imperium, then my post about how "Its got to be the Tevinter Imperium" has a lot more weight as certainly someone like Cory could have the knowledge on how to tear rhe veil AND he would have so much to gain by wiping out The Chantry and Templars.

This might also explain why the Inquisitor meets Hawke (due to her battle experience with Coryphues) and The Warden (since she is a powerful Warden and the Wardens are most likely gunning for Cory).

Bottom line, I bet we see good ol' Corypheus in DAI.

[Writ3Wing3r]

Also if you pay attention to how Larius says what he says at the end you'll notice his speech pattern has changed to the one Corypheus was using.

[AutumnWitch]

Writ3Wing3r wrote...

Also if you pay attention to how Larius says what he says at the end you'll notice his speech pattern has changed to the one Corypheus was using.

His eyes are also the same colour as Cory's now.

[Alex109222]

Not related to Cory entirely but I think the Architect is another magister.

Just look at their faces and see how similar they are to eachother, their speech too, as well as their magical powers.

I refuse to believe that the Architect just came into being as a different Darkspawn, he must have got that way because he was one of the magisters that entered the golden city.

Question everything!

[Lvl20DM]

I suspected the same thing about the Architect once I played Legacy. He may not even realize who he is - Corypheus was very confused as well. This could also mean that, even if the Architect was killed, his soul simply migrated to another appropriate host.

It certainly seems like Corypheus has somehow possessed Larius/Janekka at the end of Legacy - I'd be shocked if that were not the case. It might even be that Corypheus is our Veil-Tearer - when mortal he possessed the power to enter the Black City, maybe he's trying to go back (then again, the tears do seem calculated to spread chaos instead of being merely random).

[Lvl20DM]

Alex109222 wrote...

Question everything!

Yeah, much of what we learn from the codex and the "learned" people of Thedas is probably inaccurate to one degree or another. The writers like thier mysteries.

[AresKeith]

Though it's pretty obvious Corypheus is still alive, I doubt he's behind the veil tear

[Master Warder Z_]

I think it improbable for Corypheus to be behind the upcoming Crisis in DAI.

If he is to be believed he was one of the Magisters that entered the golden city and that the story of the tveinter incursion into the heart of the fade was true. But think of the resources supposedly required for the feat, Mountains of Lyrium and hundreds of slaves. Resources that nearly bankrupted the Imperium at its apex.

It is now more then a thousand years from said apex.

It couldn't afford to it, especially considering they are still fighting the Qunari over that little inlet.

[Heimdall]

I agree with much of what has been said. I personally think vengeful immortal elves from sunken Arlathan are responsible for the Tear though.

Anyway, the Architect is most likely also a Magister that lost his memory when he became whatever-they-are-now (Look at him and Cory side by side and tell me you don't see the similarity). To take it one step further, the Architect is most likely alive even if you attempted to kill him. Recall that there was one heavily tainted individual loyal to the Architect's cause that survived Awakening no matter what: Seranni

I really can't wait to see the two meet.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 03 février 2014 - 11:12 .

[Gold Dragon]

I never thought of The Architect being a Magister.  Puts a whole new spin on things.


He/it still must die, however.

[Master Warder Z_]

A Golden Dragon wrote...

I never thought of The Architect being a Magister.  Puts a whole new spin on things.


He/it still must die, however.

If he is anything like Cory that will be difficult.

It does make sense though considering he directly confronted the Warden Commander when in all previous interactions he was behind the scenes so to speak.

If he is all but immortal i mean why would he fear a singular death when he can merely be reconsituted?

[Alex109222]

Lvl20DM wrote...

I suspected the same thing about the Architect once I played Legacy. He may not even realize who he is - Corypheus was very confused as well. This could also mean that, even if the Architect was killed, his soul simply migrated to another appropriate host.

It certainly seems like Corypheus has somehow possessed Larius/Janekka at the end of Legacy - I'd be shocked if that were not the case. It might even be that Corypheus is our Veil-Tearer - when mortal he possessed the power to enter the Black City, maybe he's trying to go back (then again, the tears do seem calculated to spread chaos instead of being merely random).

The architect also possessed that elven chick & he dwarf who dropped doge's dodger. What he wants however, not sure, think he wants to raise an army to invade the black city again, but he needs an obidient one for it.

[KiwiQuiche]

That whole DLC end was just showing how monumentally stupid Hawke was again. I get enough of that in the base game; you'd think they would make the DLC's not make her a drooling incompetent but there you go.

[Heimdall]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

That whole DLC end was just showing how monumentally stupid Hawke was again. I get enough of that in the base game; you'd think they would make the DLC's not make her a drooling incompetent but there you go.

Considering that Hawke has no way of knowing that Archdemons or any other Darkspawn might be able to escape death through possession (Or even that they can possess), no there's nothing stupid about Hawke letting the grey warden go.

[Muzical84]

Despite modders often putting Hawke in Grey Warden armor, she's not one (she = all of my playthroughs; I tried playing a male Warden once and it just bugged me,) and Anders may not have been one for terribly long or been given much GW knowledge (ie when he thinks he can still sire a child with a female Hawke romance,) and even if your sibling is a GW and you're playing in Act 3 and bring them with...if Anders hadn't been "told enough" before he left, your sibling's not been in the GW much longer, and I'd imagine only the highest-level GWs even knew this blasted place existed...yeah expecting Hawke to know diddly-squat, even mage-Hawke, seems unrealistic.

I never until this thread noticed the similarity between Cory and the Architect....dear sweet darkspawn on a stick... @_@

[JoltDealer]

If Corypheus is in fact one of the ancient magisters that entered the fade in physical form, it stands to reason that he would know a great deal about the veil. The main conflict in Inquisition is that there are rifts in the veil where demons and spirits can enter our world freely, maybe even without the need for a host. This may be something similar to what the magisters used to enter the fade on a much larger scale.

[Muzical84]

Missed opportunity, if he's not involved, and really the only reason for the Wardens to get involved, IMHO...

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Alex109222 wrote...

Not related to Cory entirely but I think the Architect is another magister.

Just look at their faces and see how similar they are to eachother, their speech too, as well as their magical powers.

I refuse to believe that the Architect just came into being as a different Darkspawn, he must have got that way because he was one of the magisters that entered the golden city.

Question everything!

His speech and powers are not similar to Corypheus's. Not only that, his goal seems totally unrealted and even his problem would have been renderered totally moot if he had Corypheus' power to mimic the call of the Old Gods. He's almost like the antithesis of Corypheus in some ways. Also he seems to think he is a darkspawn and not a Tevinter.

[KC_Prototype]

Same thing happens to Janeka, Cory does something to them. Also, don't forget Larius was a ghoul, so that could be why he was scared.

[Sekou]

If Corypheus lives then I must say I'm not looking forward to Toughest Boss Battle: Part Deux
;-)

[KC_Prototype]

^Lol. I totalky agree.

[Naesaki]

Sekou wrote...

If Corypheus lives then I must say I'm not looking forward to Toughest Boss Battle: Part Deux
;-)

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xD

[Heimdall]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Alex109222 wrote...

Not related to Cory entirely but I think the Architect is another magister.

Just look at their faces and see how similar they are to eachother, their speech too, as well as their magical powers.

I refuse to believe that the Architect just came into being as a different Darkspawn, he must have got that way because he was one of the magisters that entered the golden city.

Question everything!

His speech and powers are not similar to Corypheus's. Not only that, his goal seems totally unrealted and even his problem would have been renderered totally moot if he had Corypheus' power to mimic the call of the Old Gods. He's almost like the antithesis of Corypheus in some ways. Also he seems to think he is a darkspawn and not a Tevinter.

Two people can speak and think differently, even if they're both quasi-immortal mutant mages.  That Call power could be unique to Corypheus or perhaps the Architect can't use it because he doesn't know he has it or perhaps he's suppressing it (maybe subconsciously) given his goal of freeing Darkspawn from the taint.  All the rest is easily explained by memory loss, which doesn't seem unbelievable given the extreme effect on his body (even Corypheus didn't seem to be all there, he didn't even appear to know he was a corrupted at all.)

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 05 février 2014 - 04:44 .

[Music]

Sekou wrote...

If Corypheus lives then I must say I'm not looking forward to Toughest Boss Battle: Part Deux
;-)

Oh god. Don't say this. DON'T REMIND ME.

Varric will be all "If he pulls a dragon out of his-"

And then a dragon will descend from the skies :C.

[KiwiQuiche]

Lord Aesir wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

That whole DLC end was just showing how monumentally stupid Hawke was again. I get enough of that in the base game; you'd think they would make the DLC's not make her a drooling incompetent but there you go.

Considering that Hawke has no way of knowing that Archdemons or any other Darkspawn might be able to escape death through possession (Or even that they can possess), no there's nothing stupid about Hawke letting the grey warden go.

Never mind that Hawke has seen loads of crazy crap, including Templars being possessed and knows how damn dangerous Cory is you'd figure she'd notice the weird speech patteren the Warden takes on after Cory 'dies' that is identical to Cory's speech.

She's stupid and careless.