My point is that their really is nothing in the plot that implies she being targeted till after it happens. Even if you did know his call signs, you don't know she get one till after she's gone.And this during the time she's dealing with alot of Sutors. So really, with all the enemies Hawk was focus on, who would he be able to stop his mom from dieing?Veruin wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
1. A talking Ghoul?
2. I did even say her name and he picked it out. Some how he does not know her?
Let me use my PC demigod powers to cure Tamlen. Or how about I make the trek all the way north to Marethari for her blight magic.
It's called a guess. I guessed Shianni since she's the only other important city elf I can remember.
Hawke - Biggest Tragic Hero Ever? (in Thedas)
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#76
Posté 04 février 2014 - 12:57
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 12:59
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leaguer of one wrote...
My point is that their really is nothing in the plot that implies she being targeted till after it happens. Even if you did know his call signs, you don't know she get one till after she's gone.And this during the time she's dealing with alot of Sutors. So really, with all the enemies Hawk was focus on, who would he be able to stop his mom from dieing?Veruin wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
1. A talking Ghoul?
2. I did even say her name and he picked it out. Some how he does not know her?
Let me use my PC demigod powers to cure Tamlen. Or how about I make the trek all the way north to Marethari for her blight magic.
It's called a guess. I guessed Shianni since she's the only other important city elf I can remember.
He's wasn't saying that, he was saying to at least warn her or tell her to be careful
#79
Posté 04 février 2014 - 01:01
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That really would not change anything being that roses is a very common gift from sutors. This is a blood mage, how would she be able to prevent him from taking her?AresKeith wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
My point is that their really is nothing in the plot that implies she being targeted till after it happens. Even if you did know his call signs, you don't know she get one till after she's gone.And this during the time she's dealing with alot of Sutors. So really, with all the enemies Hawk was focus on, who would he be able to stop his mom from dieing?Veruin wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
1. A talking Ghoul?
2. I did even say her name and he picked it out. Some how he does not know her?
Let me use my PC demigod powers to cure Tamlen. Or how about I make the trek all the way north to Marethari for her blight magic.
It's called a guess. I guessed Shianni since she's the only other important city elf I can remember.
He's wasn't saying that, he was saying to at least warn her or tell her to be careful
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 01:01
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leaguer of one wrote...
My point is that their really is nothing in the plot that implies she being targeted till after it happens. Even if you did know his call signs, you don't know she get one till after she's gone.And this during the time she's dealing with alot of Sutors. So really, with all the enemies Hawk was focus on, who would he be able to stop his mom from dieing?
No one and I'm fine with that. I don't expect the PC to be able to do everything. But if the PC has reasonable knowledge, they should be able to act on it. Leandra was a bad example.
I would be fine with three choices all going to bad result A since the PC actually tried. The burden is off their shoulders and is passed onto to whoever else mucked it up.
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 01:06
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Meh. Hawke not raising awareness about the lyrium idol to Dumar or Cullen after confronting Bartrand, them ignoring Petrice as a threat after she made her intent clear, and them letting Tallis leave with the list unopposed are the only instances that i can remember that Hawke was forced to be passive despite their knowledge on the threats from the above situations.
I think Quentin was Aveline's screwup as she didn't investigate the crime scene further, since she believed the murders were only the work of lowly bandits despite the jewellery being left behind.
I think Quentin was Aveline's screwup as she didn't investigate the crime scene further, since she believed the murders were only the work of lowly bandits despite the jewellery being left behind.
#82
Posté 04 février 2014 - 01:07
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Hawke's the biggest useful idiot not hero.
#83
Posté 04 février 2014 - 01:16
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Why the hell wouldn't you Save Bethany? My Hawke saved her and hugged her. And my mage Hawke had a love-hate relationship with Carver and still like him in the end.
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 01:18
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Dude, what the hell did I say about this....it's pure evil.ThisOnesUsername wrote...
>Hawke
>Tragic
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#85
Posté 04 février 2014 - 01:39
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Never thought of my hawke feeling guilty for her actions, she survived the blight, loosing one of her siblings in the process of escape from the darkspawn.
Eventually reaching Kirkwall and feeling quite small, there really wasn't alot she could do for herself or her family but when the opportunity presented itself she threw herself at it.
Again opportunity happened upon her and being ever opportunistic she took the chance.
Eventually after some years she had made it, not only was she respected but also surpassing many of the people she had to scramble in the dirt for to get here.
Regarding her companions, she would support the full heartedly even into folly, she expected the same in return.
In the heat of battle consequence didn't occur to her, but she would always try to do right by herself and others. Afterwards she would not dwell on her actions but rather move on.
few paragraphs really do say that my Hawkes never paused too take in what had actually happened to them, the events in their life had hardened them and their manta if any was to put one foot in front of the other no matter the challenge.
Eventually reaching Kirkwall and feeling quite small, there really wasn't alot she could do for herself or her family but when the opportunity presented itself she threw herself at it.
Again opportunity happened upon her and being ever opportunistic she took the chance.
Eventually after some years she had made it, not only was she respected but also surpassing many of the people she had to scramble in the dirt for to get here.
Regarding her companions, she would support the full heartedly even into folly, she expected the same in return.
In the heat of battle consequence didn't occur to her, but she would always try to do right by herself and others. Afterwards she would not dwell on her actions but rather move on.
few paragraphs really do say that my Hawkes never paused too take in what had actually happened to them, the events in their life had hardened them and their manta if any was to put one foot in front of the other no matter the challenge.
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 01:40
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Ironic statement being that you have a complain with not being able to stop the templar -mage war then being that you can warn others about Ander's.Veruin wrote...
leaguer of one wrote...
My point is that their really is nothing in the plot that implies she being targeted till after it happens. Even if you did know his call signs, you don't know she get one till after she's gone.And this during the time she's dealing with alot of Sutors. So really, with all the enemies Hawk was focus on, who would he be able to stop his mom from dieing?
No one and I'm fine with that. I don't expect the PC to be able to do everything. But if the PC has reasonable knowledge, they should be able to act on it. Leandra was a bad example.
I would be fine with three choices all going to bad result A since the PC actually tried. The burden is off their shoulders and is passed onto to whoever else mucked it up.
Reguardless with Hawk's Mom that requaire info Hawk did not have. So it should not be an issue.
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 02:00
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Hawke isn't a tragic hero, he's a useful idiot.
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#89
Posté 04 février 2014 - 02:45
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eluvianix wrote...
Hawke is the best. Period.
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 02:48
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You serious, guy?eluvianix wrote...
Hawke is the best. Period.
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 02:52
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leaguer of one wrote...
Ironic statement being that you have a complain with not being able to stop the templar -mage war then being that you can warn others about Ander's.
And warning people (like Cullen) about Anders in-fact should have done something but lolnope
bad writing
#94
Posté 04 février 2014 - 02:54
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Br3ad wrote...
You serious, guy?eluvianix wrote...
Hawke is the best. Period.
Of course. Hawke was freaking awesome.
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 03:01
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This is the part where I post the Zelda gifeluvianix wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
You serious, guy?eluvianix wrote...
Hawke is the best. Period.
Of course. Hawke was freaking awesome.
#96
Posté 04 février 2014 - 03:10
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eluvianix wrote...
Br3ad wrote...
You serious, guy?eluvianix wrote...
Hawke is the best. Period.
Of course. Hawke was freaking awesome.
Hawke who let crazy people roam free, helped aid in the destruction of the Chantry, gave super demon lyrium to a psycho, stood and watched while their sibling was killed Hawke? Okay, different strokes for different folks.
#97
Posté 04 février 2014 - 03:15
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I don't think Hawke is a tragic hero. He (I usually play a male Hawke) is more of an "everyman" type character. Of course he is a hero to some degree, but in a gritty, "you can't save everyone" kind of way. He's the type who is forced to make tough decisions, and just like in reality... sometimes he doesn't make the right decision (even when he had no way of knowing which was right). And sometimes, for Hawke, there IS no "right" decision (whether or not to take his sibling with him into the Deep Roads, for instance.)
What makes him heroic is that when he's asked to do something heroic, he does it. He confronts the Arishok. He confronts Meredith. (I always play pro-mage at the end, so I have no idea how pro-Templar ending works out.) He goes after the serial killer. He rescues Bodahn's son. He goes after Feynriel. He offers to help Cullen with the recruits (Keran's quest). And on and on and on. Of course, you can play a dickface Hawke (lol) who turns down all these requests (except for the ones the game makes you play, since the game does have to have some sort of coherent narrative).
It's one of the reasons I love Hawke so much more than the Warden; the Warden is just your run of the mill generic fantasy hero; Hawke is a regular guy (girl) who just tries to do the right thing. A very modern character, and a very relatable one.
Is he a tragic hero? I don't think so. He loses his mother and one sibling; he possibly loses another, but perhaps not. He can solidfy his relationship with his beloved, and the two go off together. He saves the city from a maniacal dictator (Meredith). He finishes the game a declared hero ("Champion"), and although he's suffered loss (as we all do; who here hasn't lost a loved one to illness or war or what have you), he literally walks off into the sunset with his friends and beloved. Hamlet he is not. (Well, he lives, for one thing!)
What makes him heroic is that when he's asked to do something heroic, he does it. He confronts the Arishok. He confronts Meredith. (I always play pro-mage at the end, so I have no idea how pro-Templar ending works out.) He goes after the serial killer. He rescues Bodahn's son. He goes after Feynriel. He offers to help Cullen with the recruits (Keran's quest). And on and on and on. Of course, you can play a dickface Hawke (lol) who turns down all these requests (except for the ones the game makes you play, since the game does have to have some sort of coherent narrative).
It's one of the reasons I love Hawke so much more than the Warden; the Warden is just your run of the mill generic fantasy hero; Hawke is a regular guy (girl) who just tries to do the right thing. A very modern character, and a very relatable one.
Is he a tragic hero? I don't think so. He loses his mother and one sibling; he possibly loses another, but perhaps not. He can solidfy his relationship with his beloved, and the two go off together. He saves the city from a maniacal dictator (Meredith). He finishes the game a declared hero ("Champion"), and although he's suffered loss (as we all do; who here hasn't lost a loved one to illness or war or what have you), he literally walks off into the sunset with his friends and beloved. Hamlet he is not. (Well, he lives, for one thing!)
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 03:16
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Heh... ignoring the 'in thedas' part.
Nope... Shepard was far more tragic. You go through and fix everyones problems. Then when you go to save everyone from the reapers you end up f'ing up the galaxy more then it was before you started.
Sorry couldnt resist.
Nope... Shepard was far more tragic. You go through and fix everyones problems. Then when you go to save everyone from the reapers you end up f'ing up the galaxy more then it was before you started.
Sorry couldnt resist.
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 03:17
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Best feeling I got in DA2 was culling the Circle of Magi, having the Templar kneel before me and realizing I failed in my original objective of stopping the news from spreading. Damn shame that was the only thing which made the ending redeeming.
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 03:24
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^Agreed^
Cullen pledging his Templars to me was the only "Hellz Yeah!" moment in the entire game for my Hawke.
Cullen pledging his Templars to me was the only "Hellz Yeah!" moment in the entire game for my Hawke.
