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[Veruin]

 Freedom feels like death gets me every time.

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
To what acts of terrorism would you be referring? White Spire?

The public attempt on the Divine's life.

Nice job, by the way. I can only imagine the size of the mobs if he had succeeded.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 février 2014 - 10:22 .

[Lulupab]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It means you're not reading what you're replying to, even though it's on the screen as you type a response. That is, in a word, disrespectful.

To me, that is. Why should someone try and take the effort to converse with you on the basis of your views when you will not return the courtesy? 

I just admitted to being incapable of arguing with 5 people at once. There is no reason someone shouldn't take the effort to converse with me, but not five at once please.

[Br3admax]

Veruin wrote...

 Freedom feels like death gets me every time.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
To what acts of terrorism would you be referring? White Spire?

The public attempt of the Divine's life.

Nice job, by the way. I can only imagine the size of the mobs if he had succeeded.

Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

[Veruin]

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

Speaking from experience are we? 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

Speaking from experience are we? 

Using this smiley is fun!

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 04 février 2014 - 10:20 .

[Hellion Rex]

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

Speaking from experience are we? 

Maaaybe....

[MisterJB]

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

"Rogue Agent" Where's that turian councilor when I need him?

But hey, I have no love lost for Justinia since she decided to backstab her own people. Don't let me stop you.

Modifié par MisterJB, 04 février 2014 - 10:24 .

[Mr.House]

Justina is partly to blame for the war since her backstabing is one of the big reasons Lambert had enough.

[Hellion Rex]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

"Rogue Agent" Where's that turian councilor when I need him?

But hey, I have no love lost for Justinia since she decided to backstab her own people. Don't let me stop you.

Meh, while I appreciate her helping the mages to escape, she is way too damn smart for my liking. The minute she looks at me cross eyed, I go for the blood magic. I'll be damned if I am going to dance to the tune of a bard-like Divine.

[Karach_Blade]

My brain immediately went to red alert when he mentioned saltpeter - ahem, sala petre

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

That is exactly what it means.

Tell this to the said good leaders who have actually used such incidents to achieve morally good goals. I'm just pointing out the fact that this is not the first time it happens.

MisterJB wrote...

Don't change topics. In the post I quoted, you talked about how Ander's terrorism would lead to people thinking how mages were being pushed into radicalism.
But that is not what happened, it just made people hate mages even more.

It encouraged mages to do some terrorism of their own but that is a completely different matter.

Lets face it, its an 'oppression of the minority is more acceptable than oppression of the majority' scenario. Mages don't have much like for Anders as well I mean even Fiona disagrees with him, imagine that. Because of him a crazy knight commander committed and ordered a genocide . People with right mind and proper leaders will not hate all mages for this, they will hate Anders. If they do in fact hate all mages for it, it shows how ignorant they are and solidifies the claim that a change is indeed necessary and mages are people, sometimes dangerous but people nonetheless and not all mages should be blamed for crimes of a single one or other crazy mages who are a minority of mages like all other crazy none-mage people who are a minority.

[Reaverwind]

rasloveszev wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

I never understood his appeal, and never liked him in Awakening. I didn't like Justice either - and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that joining a fanatic with a sociopath wouldn't turn out well.

He was like in Awakening because he was an Alistair clone. Once he developed his own personality, people get upset (as did I), but I got over it.  I personally liked him because of how admirable his cause was and I see him to be more of a victim of the Chantry and Meridith's dictatorship.

Alistair clone? I never saw it. *shrug* And he had his own personality from the start. It didn't change that much in DA2. I never found his cause to be admirable.

[Steelcan]

I see this thread is a sanctuary of sanity of constructive dialogue

[SgtSteel91]

I still think Anders was too manipulative in Act 3, btw...

[Br3admax]

Karach_Blade wrote...

My brain immediately went to red alert when he mentioned saltpeter - ahem, sala petre

Well they couldn't use the real, nontranslate of the individual words into Latin, name could they? "Yeah, Hawke I need a potion to unpossess me that no one has ever head of before. Yes on of the ingredients is nitrous. Trust me, or you're evil." 

[Dean_the_Young]

Rassler wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

That is exactly what it means.

Tell this to the said good leaders who have actually used such incidents to achieve morally good goals. I'm just pointing out the fact that this is not the first time it happens.

That they justified and tolerated bad actions? 

They, uh, kind of know. Hence why the actions were justified and tolerated, if not punished.

MisterJB wrote...

Don't change topics. In the post I quoted, you talked about how Ander's terrorism would lead to people thinking how mages were being pushed into radicalism.
But that is not what happened, it just made people hate mages even more.

It encouraged mages to do some terrorism of their own but that is a completely different matter.

Lets face it, its an 'oppression of the minority is more acceptable than oppression of the majority' scenario. Mages don't have much like for Anders as well I mean even Fiona disagrees with him, imagine that. Because of him a crazy knight commander committed and ordered a genocide . People with right mind and proper leaders will not hate all mages for this, they will hate Anders. If they do in fact hate all mages for it, it shows how ignorant they are and solidifies the claim that a change is indeed necessary and mages are people, sometimes dangerous but people nonetheless and not all mages should be blamed for crimes of a single one or other crazy mages who are a minority of mages like all other crazy none-mage people who are a minority.

I thought he asked you not to change the topic?

So why are you changing the topic and your argument? Just concede that you made a bad claim and move on.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The basic turn of events of Anders and Hawke's story is always the same of course, but can take on very different perspectives depending on how Hawke is played. In the case of my Hawke, Anders actually seemed especially manipulative, now that I think about it. Because he was almost always a moderate peacemaker and defender of the innocent, it seemed like Anders manipulated him into helping a rebellion he never would have supported by deliberately putting innocents in danger knowing Hawke's code would never let him allow Meredith kill them all for an unrelated crime. Not to mention manipulating Meredith into envoking the Right of Annulment at all by assassinating her close friend, who was also the only person who could have kept her in check. Not that Meredith doesn't share some of the blame but she still played right into his hands.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 04 février 2014 - 10:48 .

[Billy-the-Squid]

Rassler wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

That is exactly what it means.

Tell this to the said good leaders who have actually used such incidents to achieve morally good goals. I'm just pointing out the fact that this is not the first time it happens.

What kind of batcrap crazy logic is that? I have never encountered any faction which willing associates itself with attacking civilian targets to achieve their aims, outside of two countries openly at war with one another. 

Namely, because it always fails. So please elucidate one example of a major faction in history which has openly alligned itself with a terrorist organisation.

[SgtSteel91]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The basic turn of events of Anders and Hawke's story is always the same of course, but can take on very different perspectives depending on how Hawke is played. In the case of my Hawke, Anders actually seemed especially manipulative, now that I think about it. Because he was almost always a moderate peacemaker and defender of the innocent, it seemed like Anders manipulated him into helping a rebellion he never would have supported by deliberately putting innocents in danger knowing Hawke's code would never let him allow Meredith kill them all for an unrelated crime. 

That was true with my Hawke as well as Bethany being a part of the Cricle too.

So not only does it seem like Anders manipulated Hawke's sense of honor into getting what he wants, he also used Hawke's sister to force Hawke into defending the Mages. Since at that point, my Hawke was Pro-Circle and sent mages to the Circle when he could (which in Ander's head meant that Hawke was Pro-Templar and Pro-Mage oppression.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 04 février 2014 - 11:18 .

[Lulupab]

MisterJB wrote...

While I showed you my agreement on other images you posted (mages don't like Anders) in my previous comment I just wanted to clarify that evidence suggests that this blood mage has killed all those people in that image:

http://www.playdota....pictureid=48549

Maybe she went desparate after the chantry incident or maybe she just used it as excuse to kill people as blood sacrifice. As you approach that mage dozens of demons come out of no where and a bloody pride demon comes too. I shat my pants in this battle on nightmare difficulty, on the very first time that is.

[Banxey]

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

"Rogue Agent" Where's that turian councilor when I need him?

But hey, I have no love lost for Justinia since she decided to backstab her own people. Don't let me stop you.

When you say she backstabbed her own people, do you mean Lambert?

[Hellion Rex]

Banxey2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

"Rogue Agent" Where's that turian councilor when I need him?

But hey, I have no love lost for Justinia since she decided to backstab her own people. Don't let me stop you.

When you say she backstabbed her own people, do you mean Lambert?

He's referring to how both Leliana (Justinia's agent) and Cole killed templars when they infiltrated the White Spire to free the mages.

[LobselVith8]

Mr.House wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't disagree about the fact that Anders manipulated Hawke, but Anders' opposition to the Chantry seems to be limited to the issue of mages. Anders is spouting Andrastian dogma when he's talking about Spirits and Demons being the First Children of the Maker during his religious arguments with Merrill; his disagreement with the Chantry seems to be focused only on the treatment of mages, rather than anything else - such as their religious teachings (which impact the points of view).

Given Anders' inclination to genuinely believe in their religious teachings (to the point of continually trying to change the mind of a Dalish elf and convert her to the Andrastian view), I don't see Anders being that opposed to the Chantry.

But in Legacy he says he does not believe Cory is one of the magisters who went to the Golden city until he sees the amulet.

Which contradicts what Anders says in Awakening and vanilla Dragon Age II, where he believes in the fable of the Golden City.