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[The Elder King]

@Veruin/Rassler: thanks.

[cjones91]

Veruin wrote...

cjones91 wrote...
Who said I was nitpicking?

It's nitpicking since "neglecting to tell" isn't straight in your face lying.

It could be interpreted that way though,I mean informing someone that a couple of fugitives killed a city guard because he allegedly raped their sister would be important especially in light of the increasing tensions between the Qunari and Kirkwall.

Modifié par cjones91, 05 février 2014 - 12:35 .

[Lulupab]

Rotward wrote...

Yea, but no more so than the other companions. They all used you, and they all lied, especially Aveline.

Click and enlrage the image:

Modifié par Rassler, 05 février 2014 - 12:38 .

[eyezonlyii]

Rassler wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Yea, but no more so than the other companions. They all used you, and they all lied, especially Aveline.

Click and enlrage the image:

The most perfect thing I've seen about the game.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

I love how anders one is just so much bigger then all the others. XD

[Kaidan Fan]

I didn't read all the pages yet, I started on the last one. But I had to comment that the comic posted by Rassler is the best thing ever!

[Veruin]

If you want to see stuff like that, you guys should really pay attention to the meme thread.

[addiction21]

Veruin wrote...

If you want to see stuff like that, you guys should really pay attention to the meme thread.

It is where such tired, trite, superficial and shallow shiet belongs.

[TEWR]

eluvianix wrote...
That is a fair point. Every creature of Pride we have seen has smacked down any mage that has tried to control it. Uldred tried, and then got turned into an abomination.

However...the one spotty bit of Pride demon relations was the Baroness. The dialogue holds that she "became a pride demon", which I found to be a tad...concerning. She fed off the lives of the Blackmarsh whilst they were all cursed within the Fade. Could that have led to a transformation into an actual demon?

The prevailing theory I have on this is as follows, concerning the notion that her vanity contributed to her losing her humanity. It's Chantry belief that souls wander the Fade upon their death if they're not called to the Maker's side. Assuming this is true, then that would potentially imply that all spirits of the Fade are the remnants of a person's soul perhaps. Whatever they held most treasured in life defines them in death, though with none of the memories of their life? I imagine she's been losing some memories. Most people wouldn't really ally with a Darkspawn

The Baroness' soul was trapped there along with the souls of the villagers, but she had died. Assuming her final spell had some sort of effect on the villagers' souls that kept them from becoming spirits or demons themselves -- or Justice's "Hey guys, get aware of what's going on" contributed -- then the Baroness' overwhelming vanity and pride would've caused her soul to become one. In fact, because of the spell trapping their souls, it could reasonably be said that they've never died truly. Only their bodies are dead.

Sort of like the Keywork in the Amory Wars I guess. Sort of.

That, or she was just simply possessed in the Fade without ever realizing it, or made a willing pact with a Pride Demon. *shrugs*

Currently rewatching the scenes with the Baroness and Justice on youtube though, so I can't say more then the above because meh.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 05 février 2014 - 01:16 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Aveline didn't tell you about what the elves were rumored to be because it wasn't relevant. It wasn't a lie. There were greater political implications at stake.

Second, Major Kira story on Deep Space Nine was about her growing into something more than just a terrorist. She went from planting bombs to drive the Cardassians from her homeworld to helping the Cadrassian resistance against the Dominion. Anders, ironically had the exact opposite story. He went from someone who feared the disaster that would be caused by the mages rebelling against Chantry to someone who can and did sacrifice anyone to achieve that very thing. He started as something more and eventually became just a terrorist. I don't think Anders had any equivalent of Kira's working relationship with Gul Dukat or getting to know any of the other Cardassians. Anders just grew more and more convinced of the a black and white world view. In the end, all templars and the Chantry became his enemy. That's the exact opposite of Kira's journey.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 05 février 2014 - 01:20 .

[lady_v23]

Rassler wrote...

Rotward wrote...

Yea, but no more so than the other companions. They all used you, and they all lied, especially Aveline.

Click and enlrage the image:

amazing!

[Mr.House]

cjones91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Banxey2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

"Rogue Agent" Where's that turian councilor when I need him?

But hey, I have no love lost for Justinia since she decided to backstab her own people. Don't let me stop you.

When you say she backstabbed her own people, do you mean Lambert?

He's referring to how both Leliana (Justinia's agent) and Cole killed templars when they infiltrated the White Spire to free the mages.

In part but I was also referring to how Justinia aided in the escape of the mages which lead to the current war. That I see as a betrayal of normal people in general, hers and Leliana's and Evangeline's own people.

Non mages are not a seperate race,you may think they are but that does'nt make it so.

Justinia,Leliana,and Evangeline did'nt "betray" anyone.

So there is no such thing as betraying allies in your world? Because that's what she did, Lambert had good reasons to arrest the mages thanks to a certain idiot killing a mage and then framing Rys. She outright helped criminals and betrayed her own allies and a sacred truce.

Modifié par Mr.House, 05 février 2014 - 02:05 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Mr.House wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Banxey2 wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
Well, if I ever intend to take the Divine out, my own plan would surely succeed.
That rogue agent was sloppy, and his blood magic was half assed.

"Rogue Agent" Where's that turian councilor when I need him?

But hey, I have no love lost for Justinia since she decided to backstab her own people. Don't let me stop you.

When you say she backstabbed her own people, do you mean Lambert?

He's referring to how both Leliana (Justinia's agent) and Cole killed templars when they infiltrated the White Spire to free the mages.

In part but I was also referring to how Justinia aided in the escape of the mages which lead to the current war. That I see as a betrayal of normal people in general, hers and Leliana's and Evangeline's own people.

Non mages are not a seperate race,you may think they are but that does'nt make it so.

Justinia,Leliana,and Evangeline did'nt "betray" anyone.

So there is no such thing as betraying allies in your world? Because that's what she did, Lambert had good reasons to arrest the mages thanks to a certain idiot killing a mage and then framing Rys. She outright helped criminals and betrayed her own allies and a sacred truce.

How to betray something you are the head of? That's like saying the president has "betrayed the country" by not allowing the police to gun down protesters with lethal ammo over the actions of one person. Like, honestly, I know you want lambert inside of you, but the man was an incompetent leader and went way over his bounds. Letting him do his job would have actually been more of a criminal offense after everything had settled then getting in his way. Also, when a person actively conspires to undermine a investigation from his superiors, doesn't that count as treason? Lambert pretty much did just that in the novel as soon as justina ordered an investigation for alternatives in tranquility, which wouldn't have possibly been any threat to the templars abilities to do their jobs.

[Mr.House]

A mage was killed, with evidence leading right to Rys(which was set up by another mage to help start the war) and Fiona egging the templars on. He did his job and he was betrayed, and she broke the truce that was created along time ago. He was perfectly justified to end the truce and have the templars leave after she showed she was bias in the matter

[cjones91]

Mr.House wrote...

A mage was killed, with evidence leading right to Rys(which was set up by another mage to help start the war) and Fiona egging the templars on. He did his job and he was betrayed, and she broke the truce that was created along time ago. He was perfectly justified to end the truce and have the templars leave after she showed she was bias in the matter

And Lambert was'nt biased?He practically told Evangeline to kill Wynne,Rhys,and Adrian along with anyone else if they found a cure to being Traquil.The man let his personal prejudices override his authority and commited treason.No if anyone is a traitor it's Lambert and the templars that followed him.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

Doing his job would have been arresting rhys and not causing a international incident. Barging into a meeting and declaring everyone under arrest was not, in fact I would argue this was a failure of him to complete his duty competently. If the mages stormed into a meeting of the knight commanders and accused one of them of murder, what do you think the templars would do? They'd try to fight them all and then everything would be reversed with people saying how the templars are oppressed and how first enchanter lambert was such a horrible person. There are proper ways of doing things, and then there's trying to be lawful evil, and then there's being a moron like seeker lambert.

He broke the truce first by going over her head and trying to usurp her authority. Justina is the divine, and he is her subordinate, and him disobeying and undermining her orders and decrees at every turn is treason. So really, he is to blame for his so called truce dissolving, not that he much cared since it seems he wanted to be the one wearing the lovely gown with the stupid hate telling people what justina would want and how much alike their figures are.

Overall, I think that lambert is a character that makes alistar seem like a strategic genius in terms of tact and intelligance, and deserves to be retitled from intimidating leader of the templar and seeker forces, to dottering old man who got used by a hot headed she-witch who really ought to fall down a well.

Modifié par The Flying Grey Warden, 05 février 2014 - 02:28 .

[Banxey]

Mr.House wrote...

A mage was killed, with evidence leading right to Rys(which was set up by another mage to help start the war) and Fiona egging the templars on. He did his job and he was betrayed, and she broke the truce that was created along time ago. He was perfectly justified to end the truce and have the templars leave after she showed she was bias in the matter

At the very least, he was a pawn in a much larger conspiracy against her, at worst he betrayed her first. Which makes him a negligible casualty. Funnily enough, that's how he viewed Wynne, Rhys and Adrian when he ordered Evangeline to murder them.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

What was lambert's motive for not wanting an alternative to tranquility, or a way to take away mages magic without bringing back their magic? I don't see how finding one would impede the templars at all. They still can take away peoples magic, and I don't see how they are a threat without that, or the benefit of them being emotionless outside of that extra creepy factor.

[cjones91]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

What was lambert's motive for not wanting an alternative to tranquility, or a way to take away mages magic without bringing back their magic? I don't see how finding one would impede the templars at all. They still can take away peoples magic, and I don't see how they are a threat without that, or the benefit of them being emotionless outside of that extra creepy factor.

Finding a cure to Tranquility would remove one of the main things the templars use to keep mages in fear.

[Hellion Rex]

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

What was lambert's motive for not wanting an alternative to tranquility, or a way to take away mages magic without bringing back their magic? I don't see how finding one would impede the templars at all. They still can take away peoples magic, and I don't see how they are a threat without that, or the benefit of them being emotionless outside of that extra creepy factor.

More like he was mad that Justinia was doing all of this behind his back, even though she really didn't need his permission.

[Lulupab]

Maybe a tranquility cure would have reduce the on-going almost global tension between mages and templars significantly thus preventing a war. Maybe Lambert didn't want it or he was simply an extreme Seeker, not like there is any shortage of extreme characters in DA universe.

[Hellion Rex]

Rassler wrote...

Maybe a tranquility cure would have reduce the on-going almost global tension between mages and templars significantly thus preventing a war. Maybe Lambert didn't want it or he was simply an extreme Seeker, not like there is any shortage of extreme characters in DA universe.

Reversing Tranquility the way Pharamond did wouldn't do that though. The plan was to reverse it in such a way as to still deny a mage his power, whilst returning emotions. However, he couldn't make it work like that. It was all or nothing. Pharamond got his emotions back, but he also got his magic back. Hence making the Cure useless in that it puts us back where we started.
Edit: That being said, I do think it shows that there could eventually be a way found that could make Tranquility obsolete.

Modifié par eluvianix, 05 février 2014 - 02:43 .

[The Flying Grey Warden]

eluvianix wrote...

The Flying Grey Warden wrote...

What was lambert's motive for not wanting an alternative to tranquility, or a way to take away mages magic without bringing back their magic? I don't see how finding one would impede the templars at all. They still can take away peoples magic, and I don't see how they are a threat without that, or the benefit of them being emotionless outside of that extra creepy factor.

More like he was mad that Justinia was doing all of this behind his back, even though she really didn't need his permission.

Well, considering when he got in the loop his first move was to order his agent to kill everyone if they made any progress following the orders the divine commanded, I can see why she might not want him to be in the loop.

I know if I'm playing MP, the one guy I don't want on my team is ****player McTeamkiller.

[The Flying Grey Warden]

So basically Lambert got his pantyhouse in a twist over nothing? Cure didn't work and the divine didn't try to have any more tranquil cured the way pharamond would have, and the world didn't go to pieces over it.

What a crap hat.