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Do you consider Anders to be manipulative?


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Grieving Natashina

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That sounds like my mage Warden's stance on the Circles and the Chantry.

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Hm. Interesting.

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Kind of an odd question. Whatever you think of Anders, positive or negative, he IS manipulative, full stop. It's no more up for debate than Fenris's hair color.

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 I'd say yeah, Anders took a try at being manipulative. To my Hawke, he succeeded in manipulating her.

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I saw through his plan, but Hawke sure didn't.

: /

So yeah, I feel like the writer's can make my DAI character shocked when he does something crazy in the name of proving mages aren't crazy.

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

I saw through his plan, but Hawke sure didn't.

: /

So yeah, I feel like the writer's can make my DAI character shocked when he does something crazy in the name of proving mages aren't crazy.


Really, sometimes protagonists are sooo dumb. Makes you wonder why they became a hero in the first place...<_<

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You can choose to not help Anders if you see what he is about to do. What, did you want the option to kill or imprison Anders before he blows up the Chantry?

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 04 février 2014 - 05:05 .


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Psychopath + manipulative + Long hair = Andres was trying to be a cult leader without the harem.

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SgtSteel91 wrote...

You can choose to not help Anders if you see what he is about to do. What, did you want the option to kill or imprison Anders before he blows up the Chantry?


That's exactly what I'd wanted. I even ratted him out to Cullen and he didn't do nothin'....:mellow:

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SgtSteel91 wrote...

You can choose to not help Anders if you see what he is about to do. What, did you want the option to kill or imprison Anders before he blows up the Chantry?


I would've at least wanted the option to warn somebody at the Chantry at least.

"Hey my deranged, posessed apostate friend is planning to take revenge on you guys. So, uh, keep a look out for him."

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Parmida wrote...

SgtSteel91 wrote...

You can choose to not help Anders if you see what he is about to do. What, did you want the option to kill or imprison Anders before he blows up the Chantry?


That's exactly what I'd wanted. I even ratted him out to Cullen and he didn't do nothin'....:mellow:


Then, IMO, it's the Templars fault for not finding the bomb in time, not Hawke's.


The Mad Hanar wrote...

I would've at least wanted the option to warn somebody at the Chantry at least.

"Hey my deranged, posessed apostate friend is planning to take revenge on you guys. So, uh, keep a look out for him."


I'm pretty sure you can warn the Grand Cleric, but she doesn't back down. 

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

I would've at least wanted the option to warn somebody at the Chantry at least.

"Hey my deranged, posessed apostate friend is planning to take revenge on you guys. So, uh, keep a look out for him."


I'm pretty sure you can warn the Grand Cleric, but she doesn't back down. 


I wouldn't want her to back down. I'd want her to beef up security and not let a deranged, posessed blond dude with a beard in or around the vicinity of the building.

Modifié par The Mad Hanar, 04 février 2014 - 05:14 .


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TipsLeFedora wrote...

Psychopath + manipulative + Long hair = Andres was trying to be a cult leader without the harem.



Actually, he did want the harem, at least before Justice took over. :P  I don't think he was entirely serious.

Awakening:

Anders: "All I want is a pretty girl, a decent meal, and the right to shoot lightning at fools."
Warden: "I think you're aiming too low."
Anders: "Fine. I want a harem, a feast and the right to rain fireballs on every templar I see."

On a more serious note, I have to chuckle when folks talk about the flirty and smartass side of Awakening Anders; yet choose to forget about that.  He was always angry and bitter.

For Inquisiton: I wonder if the more extreme mages heard the rumors about Anders and Justice and might think it's a good idea.  I wonder if we'll see more of spirit possessions/abominations running around.  I also have wondered if it's the Taint that's affecting Justice/Anders as much if not more than the union itself.

Modifié par Starsyn, 04 février 2014 - 05:15 .


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I used to really enjoy the Anders romance, but after joining the BSN and seeing all the hate, I decided to watch for the things people called him out on the next time I played, and.... holy crap.

I felt dirty doing the Justice mission. The way he blatantly played with Hawke's feelings for him, using her and crew to help make his magic-bomb, and then say there after the Chantry attack and pretty much says, "Yep, love, I played you like a cheap kazoo. Now knife me, if you have a pair "

It made me extremely uncomfortable, though I wound up completing the romance after sending him away for the first time, just because it was going to be my cannon world state. It's still a good story, but I won't let my Inquisitor get within twenty meters of the man. No way.

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The Mad Hanar wrote...

I wouldn't want her to back down. I'd want her to beef up security and not let a deranged, posessed blond dude with a beard in or around the vicinity of the building.


Then, like I said IMO, it's the Templars who **** the bed and couldn't stop Anders from planting the bomb.

Modifié par SgtSteel91, 04 février 2014 - 05:18 .


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Anders was a fake revolutionary, he was mentally unstable,paranoid and self absorbed. Why didn't this ring bells? Why was the character not allowed to really question some of the motives?

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*in the voice from the guy on Storage Wars*
'Yuuuuuuup!'

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SgtSteel91 wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I wouldn't want her to back down. I'd want her to beef up security and not let a deranged, posessed blond dude with a beard in or around the vicinity of the building.


Then, like I said IMO, it's the Templars who **** the bed and couldn't stop Anders from planting the bomb.


Yeah, then again, no operation in DA2 was run well at all.

Though I do guess you have a point that Hawke doesn't shoulder the majority of the blame. That begs the question: was Anders really manipulative when everyone except the Chantry and the Templars saw what he was about to do coming?

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Hippiethecat124 wrote...

I used to really enjoy the Anders romance, but after joining the BSN and seeing all the hate, I decided to watch for the things people called him out on the next time I played, and.... holy crap.

I felt dirty doing the Justice mission. The way he blatantly played with Hawke's feelings for him, using her and crew to help make his magic-bomb, and then say there after the Chantry attack and pretty much says, "Yep, love, I played you like a cheap kazoo. Now knife me, if you have a pair "

It made me extremely uncomfortable, though I wound up completing the romance after sending him away for the first time, just because it was going to be my cannon world state. It's still a good story, but I won't let my Inquisitor get within twenty meters of the man. No way.


That is BSN for you.  

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TipsLeFedora wrote...

Anders was a fake revolutionary, he was mentally unstable,paranoid and self absorbed. Why didn't this ring bells? Why was the character not allowed to really question some of the motives?


Choice and consquences.  Did you not know the sales pitch? 

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TipsLeFedora wrote...

Anders was a fake revolutionary, he was mentally unstable,paranoid and self absorbed. Why didn't this ring bells? Why was the character not allowed to really question some of the motives?


Fenris goes on about hating mages but did you really think at one point he was going to sneak into the Gallows an murder a bunch of mages?

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TipsLeFedora wrote...

Anders was a fake revolutionary, he was mentally unstable,paranoid and self absorbed. Why didn't this ring bells? Why was the character not allowed to really question some of the motives?

The plot demanded it.

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SgtSteel91 wrote...

TipsLeFedora wrote...

Anders was a fake revolutionary, he was mentally unstable,paranoid and self absorbed. Why didn't this ring bells? Why was the character not allowed to really question some of the motives?


Fenris goes on about hating mages but did you really think at one point he was going to sneak into the Gallows an murder a bunch of mages?

Fenris hated mages but he wasn't as paranoid as our crazy friend here. Oh yeah he was also possessed by a ****ing spirit. Just saying

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SgtSteel91 wrote...


Fenris goes on about hating mages but did you really think at one point he was going to sneak into the Gallows an murder a bunch of mages?


Fenris has his problems, but I think he's more likely to do this.

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I considered Anders to be annoying, whiny, and constantly playing victim.
He's like the Miranda Lawson of Dragon Age.

Modifié par Jarl Johnnie Walker, 04 février 2014 - 05:34 .