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[AresKeith]

spirosz wrote...

Star fury wrote...

If you romanced Jacob, you deserved what happened with this romance in ME3 imo.

....what?

Yes, blame the truthful Jacob from ME2, which writers felt wasn't necessary, so DRAMA it is folks! 

Don't mind him

[Hellion Rex]

spirosz wrote...

Shit, I'm hoping you romanced Liara just for that comment, so I can make a similar outburst.

Wait, what's wrong with Liara?

[smoke and mirrors]

CrustyBot wrote...

Bastila cheated on Revan with Malak and Knights of the Old Republic is one of BioWare's most celebrated games. I don't see the problem with it.

You take thar back !  She didn`t ... She wouldn`t .......

[spirosz]

eluvianix wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Shit, I'm hoping you romanced Liara just for that comment, so I can make a similar outburst.

Wait, what's wrong with Liara?

That's the point -  Liara isn't bad, but I can easily pick her apart.  The writing is what either makes a character consistent or not and that is unfair to Jacob as a character, from ME2 and what he expressed.  

[Star fury]

spirosz wrote...

....what?

Yes, blame the truthful Jacob from ME2, which writers felt wasn't necessary, so DRAMA it is folks! 

Jacob was a bland, uninspiring character in ME2. His voice actor was mediocre too. ME3 actually made him more interesting thanks to cheating.  

[Star fury]

spirosz wrote...

Shit, I'm hoping you romanced Liara just for that comment, so I can make a similar outburst.

I romanced Ashley and Miranda. And Ashley's character was butchered by Jay Watamanuyk in ME3 while Miranda basically had only a cameo. If it's any consolation to you. 

Modifié par Star fury, 06 février 2014 - 06:51 .

[The Elder King]

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Star fury wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
1)There are more than 6 Jacob fans.
2)I gave a damn, and I'm not a Jacob fan (he's my least favourite companions in the IP). There were no reasons to do what they did. It wouldn't have cost more to make the same (not that it was great) content they made with Jack. It was just plain stupid.

It wasn't stupid, it was realistic. Somebody being an **** and cheating on a protagonist is great actually. In a wrong way. 

And it's just a coincidence that the LI that cheats is the least favourite of the IP.
I don't have problems with the LI a cheating on the MC, if it happens for all the LI. I have problems when it's done by the least favourite LI, because the writers are scared of the reaction and choose the one who would generate the least aumont of backlash.
I'd like to know if you'd have the same opinion if it was your LI that automatically cheated on you.

[AresKeith]

hhh89 wrote...

I

Star fury wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
1)There are more than 6 Jacob fans.
2)I gave a damn, and I'm not a Jacob fan (he's my least favourite companions in the IP). There were no reasons to do what they did. It wouldn't have cost more to make the same (not that it was great) content they made with Jack. It was just plain stupid.

It wasn't stupid, it was realistic. Somebody being an **** and cheating on a protagonist is great actually. In a wrong way. 

And it's just a coincidence that the LI that cheats is the least favourite of the IP.
I don't have problems with the LI a cheating on the MC, if it happens for all the LI. I have problems when it's done by the least favourite LI, because the writers are scared of the reaction and choose the one who would generate the least aumont of backlash.
I'd like to know if you'd have the same opinion if it was your LI that automatically cheated on you.

Bioware even admitted that they dropped the ball on Jacob

[Battlebloodmage]

AresKeith wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

I

Star fury wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
1)There are more than 6 Jacob fans.
2)I gave a damn, and I'm not a Jacob fan (he's my least favourite companions in the IP). There were no reasons to do what they did. It wouldn't have cost more to make the same (not that it was great) content they made with Jack. It was just plain stupid.

It wasn't stupid, it was realistic. Somebody being an **** and cheating on a protagonist is great actually. In a wrong way. 

And it's just a coincidence that the LI that cheats is the least favourite of the IP.
I don't have problems with the LI a cheating on the MC, if it happens for all the LI. I have problems when it's done by the least favourite LI, because the writers are scared of the reaction and choose the one who would generate the least aumont of backlash.
I'd like to know if you'd have the same opinion if it was your LI that automatically cheated on you.

Bioware even admitted that they dropped the ball on Jacob

What if they give you some kind of warning beforehand? Like if you romance someone with a terminal illness like Thane then there's a chance he may not survive. If you romance someone who has commitment issue then it's likely he may cheat on you. It could be worse, I guess, like if Garrus is the one who cheated on femShep.

[The Elder King]

@Battlebloodmage: I don't have problems, as I said, on LI cheating on the player (though in the case it's forced some kind of warning like your example is a good way to inform the player) or cases like Thane. My problem with Jacob's cases (which isn't personal, because I never romanced him) is the of was done because he isn't a popular character, so the devs likely thought it wouldng have caused a big negative reaction. If Jacob was the most popular character in ME2, they'd have never done teh cheating path in ME3.

[Incantrix]

Star fury wrote...

spirosz wrote...

....what?

Yes, blame the truthful Jacob from ME2, which writers felt wasn't necessary, so DRAMA it is folks! 

Jacob was a bland, uninspiring character in ME2. His voice actor was mediocre too. ME3 actually made him more interesting thanks to cheating.  

That was the point. He was normal and he wasn't crazy like the other LI. He was your rock. Through all the insanity that shep went through, he was always there to remind you that not everyone and everything was insane and overly dramatic. That's why we loved Jacob.

And it sucks to know that your rock ended up rolling away after 6 months! Like...really?

[Milan92]

 I'm all for this option - if afterwards both characters dump you on the spot for playing with their hearts 

[GreyLycanTrope]

If it plays out like the other games you'll likely have the option of dumping your initial LI for someone else and then progressively work your way through the entire party. You'll also likely be able to visit the brothel during any ongoing romance if you feel like making your character a scumbag.

Also Jacob was highly underrated and underutilized the writers should be ashamed of what they ended up doing with his character.

[Star fury]

Incantrix wrote...

That was the point. He was normal and he wasn't crazy like the other LI. He was your rock. Through all the insanity that shep went through, he was always there to remind you that not everyone and everything was insane and overly dramatic. That's why we loved Jacob.

And it sucks to know that your rock ended up rolling away after 6 months! Like...really?

Garrus and Ashley were "normal and not crazy", you can call Garrus a rock. Jacob was just boring, with his daddy issues.

[Incantrix]

Star fury wrote...

Incantrix wrote...

That was the point. He was normal and he wasn't crazy like the other LI. He was your rock. Through all the insanity that shep went through, he was always there to remind you that not everyone and everything was insane and overly dramatic. That's why we loved Jacob.

And it sucks to know that your rock ended up rolling away after 6 months! Like...really?

Garrus and Ashley were "normal and not crazy", you can call Garrus a rock. Jacob was just boring, with his daddy issues.

Garrus was a bit neurotic. Plus, when I talk about average Joe, I mean human too. In my opinion, the Garrus romance ark was kind of fwb to me.

Ashley. I'll give you that, but she was a raging xenophobe. Plus, she wasn't an option for females anyway. 

Jacob quickly got over his daddy issues and remained strong not just for shep but for the mission. He wasn't like Miranda who just stewed in hatred for her father (for good reason).  

[XMissWooX]

I think that Morrigan should appear in DAI and introduce the Inquisitor to her new lover (who isn't the Warden or Hawke). Then, every time she appears throughout the game, her new lover follows her and, just to rub it in, constantly kisses her. Also, their banter consists solely of their detailed sexual adventures. And they banter a lot.
When asked if she ever truly loved the Warden, she just gives the Flemeth Laugh.
Any objections? 

[Angarma]

Logically, there will always be LI love triangles, as well as flirtatious NPCs, both providing 'cheaters' an option.

As to the 'double date' romance idea, I've only ever seen this in Jade Empire and both companions had agreed to it.

XMissWooX wrote...
Any objections? 

Modifié par Dodok, 06 février 2014 - 07:10 .

[metatheurgist]

metatheurgist wrote...

Celtic Latino wrote...
What would be even neater is if your LI could cheat on your PC with another companion or NPC, and depending how you treat him/her, could even leave you for someone else if your relationship score is not high enough. That says that the mightly Lord/Lady Inquisitor isn't almighty powerful that forces every romance-able companion to fall to his/her knees in adoration.

I'd enjoy the fallout on the boards the day that happened.

Ah! Tasty, tasty fallout. Keep it coming!

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Yeah really didn't like having to decide between everyone. So let's keep everybody on the hook.

[Han Shot First]

Incantrix wrote...


Ashley. I'll give you that, but she was a raging xenophobe. Plus, she wasn't an option for females anyway. 

Ashley wasn't a xenophobe. She has some lingering trust issues towards the Council and the other alien factions as a result of the First Contact War, but she doesn't hate aliens.

If you bring her along to the Terra Firma rally, she is more offended by them than even your alien squadmates. She makes it clear that she thinks their racist (okay..speciest) political platform is something of an embarrassment for humanity. She also has an elevator conversation with Tali where she'll state that she hopes Tali's contributions against Saren are recognized and help to end discrimination against Quarians.

The line about not being able to tell the aliens from the animals was bugged, and was meant to be said only in reference to the Keepers.

[Grieving Natashina]

 I like this idea, but I think the forums as well as the non-forum fans would explode with rage. I'm talking full blown Charlie McGee style.
And how did this turn into a ME conversation in two pages?  That was quick, even for BSN. 

Modifié par Starsyn, 07 février 2014 - 04:12 .

[Ihatebadgames]

You really want to have relationships with cheating, when everyone in Thedas has access to sharp and pointy things? Given BW love of dark and edgy plot twists, I want a nice safe and sane relationship.

[Grieving Natashina]

Ihatebadgames wrote...

You really want to have relationships with cheating, when everyone in Thedas has access to sharp and pointy things? Given BW love of dark and edgy plot twists, I want a nice safe and sane relationship.

Then let's throw in blood magic and lovers scorned.  That would end badly.  Very bloody, a lot of boiling blood, and a lot of tears.

I would be curious if I thought it would be feasible costwise. Many folks talk about how much story is for "teh drama" as it is.  Adding that element to it would make that worse, no doubt.  It also sounds like a writing nightmare.  How far is too far?  How do both party members re-establish and/or fully break the PC's trust?  That's also a lot of extra dialog to write for that reaction. I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, but from the dev videos I've seen, that would be way too expensive to justify it's inclusion.

Personally, I have little interest in having two LIs cheat on each other, especially since that would cause distrust among two of my party members.  An NPC would be one thing, but not among the party. 

A cheating LI storyline has been done before, in ToR.  <spoilers!>  The LI for the female Jedi Knight, Doc, does this very thing to the PC while you are romancing him.  It sounds like a great idea, but if done poorly (like in his case,) it cheapens any character developement.  The forums did explode after that, which is why I linked the picture of Charlie.

That's the little girl from Firestarter, for those that are in the dark.

[Han Shot First]

I also think having a character "cheat" on the PC is a bad idea.

That isn't to say that they couldn't implement a love triangle or two. Just that it would be better implemented if the character was more of a free spirit like Isabela and doesn't want to tie herself (or himself, if its a male character) to a single person. Rather than dishonesty and infidelity being involved, the character is up front about who they are from the start. The romance arc could either end with the player character winning over that NPC into a monogamous relationship, or alternatively, being forced with choosing between accepting a more free-spirited relationship or moving on.

[Nightdragon8]

see this is why I think BW should really do a dating sim... heck they could even give school days a run for its money.... (welll maybe not School days is seriously pitch black at times)