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[Celtic Latino]

XMissWooX wrote...

I think that Morrigan should appear in DAI and introduce the Inquisitor to her new lover (who isn't the Warden or Hawke). Then, every time she appears throughout the game, her new lover follows her and, just to rub it in, constantly kisses her. Also, their banter consists solely of their detailed sexual adventures. And they banter a lot.
When asked if she ever truly loved the Warden, she just gives the Flemeth Laugh.
Any objections? 

If I got to see the fallout from that, then definitely no objections from me. 

Since the Mass Effect series got brought into discussion, I'll say that I liked how in ME1, you were forced to choose between two romance options, although for DA:I if you decide to pick that renegade option they might just BOTH leave you. I think it would depend on the relationship score. 

Example: Inquisitor tries to romance Companion A and Companion B

01. Inquisitor has high relationship with Companion A  and medium/low relationship with Companion B
Companion B huffs off, leaving you with Companion A
*-depending on the character, one or two LIs just might cheat on your Inquisitor later on in the game... :innocent:

02. Inqusitor has equally high relationship with both Companion A and Companion B 
Either: 
a. Companion A and Companion B confront you simultaneously and force you to choose (Mass Effect 1 style) 
b. Companion A and Companion B fight (verbally, possibly physically), with the victor being your LI 

03. Inqusitor has low relationship with both Companion A and Companion B 
They both end the relationship with the Inquisitor, and if it calls for a particular character in question, that character leaves the Inquisitor for someone else...with the right combination, for each other possibly 

Of course, this is no dating sim or what not, but would definitely make the romance arc rather interesting. 

Oh, and I was one of the six Jacob fans. I liked having a normal human male LI that wasn't Carth-lite or whined you to death. Really wanted my canon Shep to continue a relationship with him in ME3, was very disappointed it turned out otherwise. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Celtic Latino wrote...

XMissWooX wrote...

I think that Morrigan should appear in DAI and introduce the Inquisitor to her new lover (who isn't the Warden or Hawke). Then, every time she appears throughout the game, her new lover follows her and, just to rub it in, constantly kisses her. Also, their banter consists solely of their detailed sexual adventures. And they banter a lot.
When asked if she ever truly loved the Warden, she just gives the Flemeth Laugh.
Any objections? 

If I got to see the fallout from that, then definitely no objections from me. 

Since the Mass Effect series got brought into discussion, I'll say that I liked how in ME1, you were forced to choose between two romance options, although for DA:I if you decide to pick that renegade option they might just BOTH leave you. I think it would depend on the relationship score. 

Example: Inquisitor tries to romance Companion A and Companion B

01. Inquisitor has high relationship with Companion A  and medium/low relationship with Companion B
Companion B huffs off, leaving you with Companion A
*-depending on the character, one or two LIs just might cheat on your Inquisitor later on in the game... :innocent:

02. Inqusitor has equally high relationship with both Companion A and Companion B 
Either: 
a. Companion A and Companion B confront you simultaneously and force you to choose (Mass Effect 1 style) 
b. Companion A and Companion B fight (verbally, possibly physically), with the victor being your LI 

03. Inqusitor has low relationship with both Companion A and Companion B 
They both end the relationship with the Inquisitor, and if it calls for a particular character in question, that character leaves the Inquisitor for someone else...with the right combination, for each other possibly 

Of course, this is no dating sim or what not, but would definitely make the romance arc rather interesting. 

Oh, and I was one of the six Jacob fans. I liked having a normal human male LI that wasn't Carth-lite or whined you to death. Really wanted my canon Shep to continue a relationship with him in ME3, was very disappointed it turned out otherwise. 

What about Option 4, where if the Inquisitor says and does the right things they get both LIs. Both DAO and DA2 had ways where you had two romantic partners, though 2 I guess it was more one romantic partner and one friends with benefits. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

As long as the LI can cheat on you too....sure.

We must be fair after all.

[KaiserShep]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

As long as the LI can cheat on you too....sure.

We must be fair after all.

You dare undermine the power fantasy? A pox on thee! 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In all seriousness, I'd rather not have it as an option in either respects. Call me old-fashioned.

That said, I guess as long as they are optional it's okay.

[Celtic Latino]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

In all seriousness, I'd rather not have it as an option in either respects. Call me old-fashioned.

That said, I guess as long as they are optional it's okay.

I think it would depend on the character really. 

Say you had 4 LIs. These are all just examples. 

LI A is a straight up paladin/chevalier-type. She will just leave you if you are cheating regardless who it's with. 

LI B is a person-izing sorcerer. He doesn't care if you're seeing someone else. In fact, he may cheat on you with LI C or another NPC if you are seeing someone else (including LI C) or if your relationship score is not high enough. 

LI C is a relationship oriented mage. She experiences jealousy if you're seeing someone else (sort of like Liara) but will not stop you either (maybe just complain). She can wind up seeing LI B if you do indeed cheat or if your relationship score is not high enough. 

LI D is a rogue. He is handsome and charming, but you have to work to get him to commit. He's not a personizer like LI B, but he doesn't instantly fall over you and your crpg player character Inqusitively playersexual god/goddess-ness. In fact, perhaps his story arc is a professed interest in someone else, but with the right convincing, he just might fall for you instead. If you see someone else, he will go back to that interest. If you commit, he will love you.

Each of these 4 LIs I'm mentioning have their unique romance path that makes them useful to the character arc. 

A- doesn't take cheaters, would rather just be alone than to deal with a Casanova/Casanovette 

B- happens to be a personizer, can wind up wooing LI C whether you're with him or having commitment/relationship issues with LI B or C (dialogue slightly varies) 

C- relationship oriented but can be coaxed because she's somewhat naive or gullible (or sees you can't commit) 

D- not into you in the first place, already has someone in mind, you have to convince HIM you are worth it or else he'll just stick with the man or woman he's already into

[N0rke]

I'd actually like to see the reverse. I can't recall Bioware ever exploring the LIs cheating on the PC and think it'd be a nice change of pace.

[Seboist]

N0rke wrote...

I'd actually like to see the reverse. I can't recall Bioware ever exploring the LIs cheating on the PC and think it'd be a nice change of pace.

They loosely did it with Jacob in ME3 but that was largely the result of cut corners due to him being the least popular LI.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

ME3: hook up with Snookie alongside your LI

Everytime somebody mispells this with an E at the end I think they're talking about me and get very upset. Or aroused. 

[Gervaise]

The attitude of any LI should be consistent with their character and the game world. In DAO we are well aware that not all marriages are love matches, so marrying one person whilst having an additional lover was considered normal behaviour. What was more problematic for me was when romance flags didn't carry over into DA2, so Zevran had declared his love for my character and if that character sacrificed themselves we were told that Zevran never loved again (which included just having casual sex), yet he turns up in DA2 and is quite happy to have fling with Isabella and Hawke.

The other problem with DA2 was having to have second sight (or read the Forums) to know what you could and couldn't do to maintain a relationship. My biggest gripe was that Fenris walked out on Hawke and left them hanging for 3 years but if Hawke had sex with anyone else on the rebound, even if they broke it off straight after, then the relationship was effectively over. You were never given the opportunity to talk it out as you were in ME3 if you had taken a different lover in ME2, or simply have Fenris challenge you in the way the various parties did in DAO. In fact this was equally true if you had a "fling" in Act 2 before trying to take Fenris' romance further. This was apparently meant to be because of his lack of self esteem but there should have been some way of raising the matter, particularly as you often did not discover this until some considerable way down the line when suddenly you were no longer given the heart option, thus requiring a re-load prior to the fling.

I also liked the fact that in DAO there was the possibility of changing your mind. So if you chose Alistair over Zevran and then if you make Alistair king he says he can't marry you because you're an elf, you can still get back with Zevran. An elf might not be so happy with the conventions of having a mistress.

People make mistakes in relationships and what I find annoying is if only the PC is expected to forgive and forget but is never given the same opportunity by the LI. Obviously it might be out of character with some LIs but not all. So I'd rather have the LI's attitude to cheating determined by their character and expressed to the PC in game (as in ME3), rather than some arbitrary flag that shuts off romance behind the scenes without you being aware of it..

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Gervaise wrote...

The attitude of any LI should be consistent with their character and the game world. In DAO we are well aware that not all marriages are love matches, so marrying one person whilst having an additional lover was considered normal behaviour. 

Where did you get this idea? The only person to be married and have women on the side as well was King Cailan and King Alistair if you talk him into it. In either case they are the King, so normal rules don't apply since they are the law. As Mel Brooks said in his movies, "It's good to be the King."

[Nefla]

Never romance a black man because he will cheat on you, impregnate another woman, and not even bother to tell you to take a hike, he will just disappear. This is what BioWare wants to teach us. If he had impregnated Shepard beforehand, he would undoubtedly claim to not be the father and call her a ho. Thanks BioWare for perpetuating this awesome stereotype!

No other LI cheats on you, not even Zevran who it would be in character for.

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!
ME3: I should have romanced the bird-dinosaur...

I think if you cheat on your LI they should cheat on you right back.

[Battlebloodmage]

Nefla wrote...

Never romance a black man because he will cheat on you, impregnate another woman, and not even bother to tell you to take a hike, he will just disappear. This is what BioWare wants to teach us. If he had impregnated Shepard beforehand, he would undoubtedly claim to not be the father and call her a ho. Thanks BioWare for perpetuating this awesome stereotype!

No other LI cheats on you, not even Zevran who it would be in character for.

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!
ME3: I should have romanced the bird-dinosaur...

I think if you cheat on your LI they should cheat on you right back.

In Bioware's defense, I think they do it because he's the least popular character, so maybe they thought his 5 fans wouldn't mind. Still, there is that unfortunate implication. Resource wise though, they could have had Jacob as a mini romance like with Miranda or Jack, not sure why they have to add the pregnant girlfriend storyline. It could have just been a random character who hooked up with that scientist girl seeing as how Jacob can die in ME2.

[Nefla]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Nefla wrote...

Never romance a black man because he will cheat on you, impregnate another woman, and not even bother to tell you to take a hike, he will just disappear. This is what BioWare wants to teach us. If he had impregnated Shepard beforehand, he would undoubtedly claim to not be the father and call her a ho. Thanks BioWare for perpetuating this awesome stereotype!

No other LI cheats on you, not even Zevran who it would be in character for.

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!
ME3: I should have romanced the bird-dinosaur...

I think if you cheat on your LI they should cheat on you right back.

In Bioware's defense, I think they do it because he's the least popular character, so maybe they thought his 5 fans wouldn't mind. Still, there is that unfortunate implication. Resource wise though, they could have had Jacob as a mini romance like with Miranda or Jack, not sure why they have to add the pregnant girlfriend storyline. It could have just been a random character who hooked up with that scientist girl seeing as how Jacob can die in ME2.

I don't actually think they were being malicious about it, just very careless and thus we have this awful and offensive train wreck. I understand that they probably wanted to lessen his story bits because he was an unpopular character and it would save money, but there were non offensive ways to do it. (like with every other character in the entire series) I mean even a tiny Kelly Chambers-esque interaction or him heroically sacrificing his life would have been better.

[Battlebloodmage]

Nefla wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Nefla wrote...

Never romance a black man because he will cheat on you, impregnate another woman, and not even bother to tell you to take a hike, he will just disappear. This is what BioWare wants to teach us. If he had impregnated Shepard beforehand, he would undoubtedly claim to not be the father and call her a ho. Thanks BioWare for perpetuating this awesome stereotype!

No other LI cheats on you, not even Zevran who it would be in character for.

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!
ME3: I should have romanced the bird-dinosaur...

I think if you cheat on your LI they should cheat on you right back.

In Bioware's defense, I think they do it because he's the least popular character, so maybe they thought his 5 fans wouldn't mind. Still, there is that unfortunate implication. Resource wise though, they could have had Jacob as a mini romance like with Miranda or Jack, not sure why they have to add the pregnant girlfriend storyline. It could have just been a random character who hooked up with that scientist girl seeing as how Jacob can die in ME2.

I don't actually think they were being malicious about it, just very careless and thus we have this awful and offensive train wreck. I understand that they probably wanted to lessen his story bits because he was an unpopular character and it would save money, but there were non offensive ways to do it. (like with every other character in the entire series) I mean even a tiny Kelly Chambers-esque interaction or him heroically sacrificing his life would have been better.

We already have Thane who did that so having 2 out of 3 female Shep's LIs in ME2 die the same way would be redundant. I feel like they write the story first then start filling in the character slot. Jacob just happens to get the short end of the stick due to his unpopularity. If you really think about it, Jacob's storyline could be filled by anyone, not specific like with Miranda or Tali, in fact, his part could have been omitted entirely. I have a feeling that Jacob was the left over squadmate that developers don't know what to do with, at least, from what I've seen.

[SgtSteel91]

Eh, I don't think I would ever go with that option.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Nefla wrote...

Never romance a black man because he will cheat on you, impregnate another woman, and not even bother to tell you to take a hike, he will just disappear. This is what BioWare wants to teach us. If he had impregnated Shepard beforehand, he would undoubtedly claim to not be the father and call her a ho. Thanks BioWare for perpetuating this awesome stereotype!

ALL ABOARD FOR THE RACISM TRAIN!
Because it's all about the racism. Every time. All the time.

Note to writers, movie makers and artists - no member of any minority or non-white race can ever be shown to be anything but perfect.

[Star fury]

Nefla wrote...

Never romance a black man because he will cheat on you, impregnate another woman, and not even bother to tell you to take a hike, he will just disappear. This is what BioWare wants to teach us. If he had impregnated Shepard beforehand, he would undoubtedly claim to not be the father and call her a ho. Thanks BioWare for perpetuating this awesome stereotype!

No other LI cheats on you, not even Zevran who it would be in character for.

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!
ME3: I should have romanced the bird-dinosaur...

I think if you cheat on your LI they should cheat on you right back.

Let's cry about Jacob's predicament and completely ignore Anderson, because it doesn't suit your agenda. Father figure for Shepard and all-round awesome character. Worst case of political correctness.

Kai Leng is an Asian, why Asians somehow are not whining about racism? Asian character is made a villain, who kills a fan favourite companion + can kill another two characters! It's clearly racism!  

Nefla wrote...

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!

Modifié par Star fury, 18 février 2014 - 03:25 .

[tybert7]

 I will not rest until the main character can cheat on a LI with a darkspawn.

not trolling

this is trolling

[ladyvader]

Star fury wrote...

esper wrote...

metatheurgist wrote...

Celtic Latino wrote...
What would be even neater is if your LI could cheat on your PC with another companion or NPC, and depending how you treat him/her, could even leave you for someone else if your relationship score is not high enough. That says that the mightly Lord/Lady Inquisitor isn't almighty powerful that forces every romance-able companion to fall to his/her knees in adoration.

I'd enjoy the fallout on the boards the day that happened.

Jacob...

Like somebody gave a damn except all 6 Jacob fans.

I enjoyed slapping him in the Citadel DLC.  I enjoyed calling him a bastard when you and him talk before you rescue his people.  

Modifié par ladyvader, 17 février 2014 - 04:36 .

[Master Warder Z_]

Star fury wrote...

esper wrote...

metatheurgist wrote...

Celtic Latino wrote...
What would be even neater is if your LI could cheat on your PC with another companion or NPC, and depending how you treat him/her, could even leave you for someone else if your relationship score is not high enough. That says that the mightly Lord/Lady Inquisitor isn't almighty powerful that forces every romance-able companion to fall to his/her knees in adoration.

I'd enjoy the fallout on the boards the day that happened.

Jacob...

Like somebody gave a damn except all 6 Jacob fans.

Jacob!

*Sobs*

Why did he ruin my prospects for beautiful brown mocha children in ME!

Seriously though! I liked that rommance.

[Star fury]

ladyvader wrote...
I enjoyed slapping him in the Citadel DLC.  I enjoyed calling him a bastard when you and him talk before you rescue his people.  

That opportunity should've been in a core game with an opportunity to shoot him in the leg.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's funny how if you did not romance him, Jacob's a really good guy. But the mere existence of the fact that in some world where someone did romance them, he leaves them for another, that hate has seeped into hate for the general character.

[Nefla]

Star fury wrote...

Nefla wrote...

Never romance a black man because he will cheat on you, impregnate another woman, and not even bother to tell you to take a hike, he will just disappear. This is what BioWare wants to teach us. If he had impregnated Shepard beforehand, he would undoubtedly claim to not be the father and call her a ho. Thanks BioWare for perpetuating this awesome stereotype!

No other LI cheats on you, not even Zevran who it would be in character for.

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!
ME3: I should have romanced the bird-dinosaur...

I think if you cheat on your LI they should cheat on you right back.

Let's cry about Jacob's predicament and completely ignore Anderson, because it doesn't suit your agenda. Father figure for Shepard and all-round awesome character. Worst case of political correctness.

Kai Leng is an Asian, why Asians somehow are not whining about racism? Asian character is made a villain, who kills a fan favourite companion + can kill another two characters! It's clearly racism!  

Nefla wrote...

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!

*snip*

Well let's see

-Jacob is the ONLY LI to ever cheat on you, and it's an existing negative stereotype
-Anderson is an awesome character, but not a LI. If they had made Anderson romanceable instead and then made him cheat on you and impregnate some random girl totally against his character then I would have the same problem
-Every male (not alien) BioWare LI in everyBioWare game I played (except Jade Empire obviously) has been white and has generally had emotional issues (Carth, Alistair, Zevran, Kaidan, Anders, Fenris) but not a one of them cheats on you and knocks up some woman (even Zevran who it would be in character for)
-Asian people being villains and killing fan favorites is not a pre existing stereotype and BioWare is not perpetuating any negative images with it. If he had been given an offensive "ching chong" accent then people would feel differently.  

How dare I dislike having the one black man who is a LI and companion change into an Usher confessions part 2 stereotypical douchebag! There was no reason to put this in.

[Star fury]

Nefla wrote...

Star fury wrote...

Nefla wrote...

Never romance a black man because he will cheat on you, impregnate another woman, and not even bother to tell you to take a hike, he will just disappear. This is what BioWare wants to teach us. If he had impregnated Shepard beforehand, he would undoubtedly claim to not be the father and call her a ho. Thanks BioWare for perpetuating this awesome stereotype!

No other LI cheats on you, not even Zevran who it would be in character for.

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!
ME3: I should have romanced the bird-dinosaur...

I think if you cheat on your LI they should cheat on you right back.

Let's cry about Jacob's predicament and completely ignore Anderson, because it doesn't suit your agenda. Father figure for Shepard and all-round awesome character. Worst case of political correctness.

Kai Leng is an Asian, why Asians somehow are not whining about racism? Asian character is made a villain, who kills a fan favourite companion + can kill another two characters! It's clearly racism!  

Nefla wrote...

ME2: Finally I don't have to romance another emo white guy!

*snip*

Well let's see

-Jacob is the ONLY LI to ever cheat on you, and it's an existing negative stereotype
-Anderson is an awesome character, but not a LI. If they had made Anderson romanceable instead and then made him cheat on you and impregnate some random girl totally against his character then I would have the same problem
-Every male (not alien) BioWare LI in everyBioWare game I played (except Jade Empire obviously) has been white and has generally had emotional issues (Carth, Alistair, Zevran, Kaidan, Anders, Fenris) but not a one of them cheats on you and knocks up some woman (even Zevran who it would be in character for)
-Asian people being villains and killing fan favorites is not a pre existing stereotype and BioWare is not perpetuating any negative images with it. If he had been given an offensive "ching chong" accent then people would feel differently.  

How dare I dislike having the one black man who is a LI and companion change into an Usher confessions part 2 stereotypical douchebag! There was no reason to put this in.

Your fixation on Jacob's race is disturbing, there is no connection between him being a cheat and "an existing negative stereotype". You are missing the point - if ME had only Jacob cheating without admiral Anderson being one of the biggest heroes of ME, you could've said about racial stereotypes. Now you just plainly want political correctness at it's worst. 

Why "Asian people being villains and killing fan favorites is not a pre existing stereotype"? Is there any significant good Asian characters in ME? While Kai Leng is one of the bigger villians of ME3, him being an Asian and without good and significant Asian character it's plain racism.



So if instead of Jacob it was white or Asian man who cheated on Shepard, it would've been okay for you?
 

Nefla wrote...
-Every male (not alien) BioWare LI in everyBioWare game I
played (except Jade Empire obviously) has been white and has generally
had emotional issues (Carth, Alistair, Zevran, Kaidan, Anders, Fenris)
but not a one of them cheats on you and knocks up some woman (even
Zevran who it would be in character for)

It's your problem then.

Modifié par Star fury, 18 février 2014 - 08:54 .