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[congokong]

I'd have to go with Shepard's Illium encounter with Liara before LotSB in ME2. The dialogue is so awkward that it painfully reminds you that this is a video game; a red flag that something is wrong.

1. Shepard seems indifferent to the fact that Liara has no questions about how the hell Shepard is alive.

2. Liara says she can't speak freely because everything she says is probably being recorded. Besides the fact that there is no option for Liara to leave her desk, what's ironic is that Liara ends up saying practially everything she shouldn't regarding hunting the shadow broker but says few of the things she could like her relationship with Shepard.

3. Nyxeris doesn't have the courtesy to give them privacy and no one minds.

4. After 2 years of waiting to get Shepard back all Liara does is send Shepard to hack a few terminals and then off Shepard goes.

5. Neither can discuss their relationship at any point. This was obviously done to encourage the ME2 romances and later buy LotSB.

6. After Shepard either comforts/condemns Liara for giving Shepard's body to Cerberus, nothing changes. Their conversation has the same neutrality.

7. Here's the biggest one: Shepard makes no real argument to convince Liara to stop her hunt.
    1. Shepard could point out that there still is a reaper threat.
    2. Saving the galaxy is more important than the hunt for 1 person.
    3. Liara should hate the collectors more than the shadow broker since the collectors are the ones that killed Shepard and wanted Shepard's body in the first place.
    4. Shepard and Liara seem oblivious to the possibility that Liara might get killed by Shadow Broker assassins. Her own secretary was a double agent for the Broker. That's extremely troubling.
    5. If Liara is obsessing over the Shadow Broker largely on Shepard's behalf then Shepard should tell her not to if Shepard wants her on the Normandy.

Modifié par congokong, 04 février 2014 - 05:16 .

[CronoDragoon]

Nothing tops the original Catalyst convo pre-EC. Confusing, pretentious, brief, non-interactive.

[Iakus]

The Catalyst scene.  All of it.  EC does not help ("organic energy"?  Really?)  Brings the entire trilogy (which was alrady pretty shaky) crashing down

But if we're leaving out the immediately obvious, I'd say the VS confrontation on Horizon

VS: "Shepard!  You're alive!  What are you..."
::assuming direct control::
VS:"...traitor!  You make me sick, you sick piece of filth, working for Cerberus like you are!"

Shepard: "Ash/Kaidan!  Thank goodness you're all right!  Listen, the Collectors are behind the attacks.  Find, Tali, she can conf..."
::assuming direct control::
Shepard:  "Hey Ash/Kaidan.  Long time no see.  Wanna join Cerberus?  It'll be just like old times"

[Daemul]

The first conversation Shepard has with Miranda in ME3 when he meets her at the Normandy Docking Bay. What the hell was up with that scene? it was so awkward.

[SwobyJ]

I can think of several in ME1.

For ME2-3 I can find my own reasons behind pretty much any awkward scene, even if it would widely be considered headcanon currently.

[o Ventus]

Dat Catalyst doe.

[Lawrence0294]

The whole intro.

"THIS ISN'T ABOUT STRATEGY OR TACTICS"

[General TSAR]

Everything in Mass Effect 3.

Everything.

[ImaginaryMatter]

The Kai Leng encounter on Thessia or the Normandy pick-up scene from the Extended Cut.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Prologue.


I've got the ending figured out. The intro, OTOH, is just really dumb -- likely deliberately, for the new players.

[Daemul]

StreetMagic wrote...

Daemul wrote...

The first conversation Shepard has with Miranda in ME3 when he meets her at the Normandy Docking Bay. What the hell was up with that scene? it was so awkward.

"Shepard.. we live in interesting times."


"OH. You think?!"

I don't know whether it was the voice acting or something else, but the entire scene was very off putting.

[ImaginaryMatter]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

Prologue.


I've got the ending figured out. The intro, OTOH, is just really dumb -- likely deliberately, for the new players.

That's another good one (bad one?). Although personally I was always more annoyed about the game play aspects of the prologue, namely how they distracted from what should have been a scary and emotionally charged scene with a tutorial mission.

[Fixers0]

The Whole ME3 prologue, but especially the defense committee scene.

[Darks1d3]

 Wait, I have to pick just 1?

[Iakus]

Darks1d3 wrote...

 Wait, I have to pick just 1?

Yeah I had a hard time deciding too.

[von uber]

Meeting Liara as a continuous love interest on Mars was pretty crap.
Also the bar scene where you meet the marines in Purgatory. That just made me cringe for some reason.. seemed so.. American-Military-Jingoism.

[congokong]

You need to consider that the most poorly written scene should have plotholes; not just bad writing. For example Miranda's first ME3 scene may have the stupid "we live in interesting times" line but there aren't any things that don't make sense that I know of.

That's why the Illium Liara encounter is so bad. It's plagued with plotholes. Another plothole is why Shepard even needs Liara's help finding Samara and Thane when they're on the damn news?!

[Dubozz]

1. Everything about the Catalyst.
2. Prologue
3. 5 minutes after prologue: "I've discovered the plans for prothean device, one that could wipe out the reapers" wat.jpg

Modifié par Dubozz, 04 février 2014 - 07:37 .

[Iakus]

congokong wrote...

You need to consider that the most poorly written scene should have plotholes; not just bad writing. For example Miranda's first ME3 scene may have the stupid "we live in interesting times" line but there aren't any things that don't make sense that I know of.

That's why the Illium Liara encounter is so bad. It's plagued with plotholes. Another plothole is why Shepard even needs Liara's help finding Samara and Thane when they're on the damn news?!

Well then I stand by Horizon given that unless Shepard treated the VS like dirt and ignored every Cerberus mission in ME1 they had no cause to react the way they did.

And Shepard should have been able to explain things much much better.  They were all of them acting OOC at least as much as teh Liara scene.

[congokong]

iakus wrote...

congokong wrote...

You need to consider that the most poorly written scene should have plotholes; not just bad writing. For example Miranda's first ME3 scene may have the stupid "we live in interesting times" line but there aren't any things that don't make sense that I know of.

That's why the Illium Liara encounter is so bad. It's plagued with plotholes. Another plothole is why Shepard even needs Liara's help finding Samara and Thane when they're on the damn news?!

Well then I stand by Horizon given that unless Shepard treated the VS like dirt and ignored every Cerberus mission in ME1 they had no cause to react the way they did.

And Shepard should have been able to explain things much much better.  They were all of them acting OOC at least as much as teh Liara scene.

Most aren't fans of the Horizon treatment but it doesn't have many plotholes. It just makes the VS out to be very unsympathetic to Shepard's situation. It's why I shoot Ashley in ME3. Many will say that from the VS's perspective their behavior was justified. I don't think so but many do. Their suspicion that Cerberus is behind the collectors IS ridiculous.

The Illium treatment is more poorly written IMO. "Shepard, you're alive! Listen, if you want to help hack some terminals for me." "I'll talk to you later Liara." Ugh. How about you leave your desk, Liara? I can at least understand the VS's exit. They see things in black/white as Alliance = good, Cerberus = bad. It's short-sighted but believable.

Modifié par congokong, 04 février 2014 - 07:41 .

[roryw2203]

congokong wrote...

You need to consider that the most poorly written scene should have plotholes; not just bad writing. For example Miranda's first ME3 scene may have the stupid "we live in interesting times" line but there aren't any things that don't make sense that I know of.

That's why the Illium Liara encounter is so bad. It's plagued with plotholes. Another plothole is why Shepard even needs Liara's help finding Samara and Thane when they're on the damn news?!

Hmmm.  I don't think plotholes necessarily imply bad writing.  At a certain point when creating a story you need to decide whether the emotional implications/reactions to a scene outweigh the need for entire logical sense.

[congokong]

roryw2203 wrote...

congokong wrote...

You need to consider that the most poorly written scene should have plotholes; not just bad writing. For example Miranda's first ME3 scene may have the stupid "we live in interesting times" line but there aren't any things that don't make sense that I know of.

That's why the Illium Liara encounter is so bad. It's plagued with plotholes. Another plothole is why Shepard even needs Liara's help finding Samara and Thane when they're on the damn news?!

Hmmm.  I don't think plotholes necessarily imply bad writing.  At a certain point when creating a story you need to decide whether the emotional implications/reactions to a scene outweigh the need for entire logical sense.

Plotholes only exist because of bad writing. I'm not suggesting a character has to be logical. For example I think the Horizon treatment could happen if this was real if the VS is a short-sighted patriot. However, I can never picture the Illium treatment's dialogue happening. Not only is the dialogue bad but there are plotholes that I mentioned in the OP.