If the asari are dumb enough to wait to the last minute to mention the beacon then their dumb enough to realize they don't need support. You can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselvesvon uber wrote...
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And of course her stupid remark about the Alliance providing air support. I wanted a renegade interrupt.to either hit her or tell her off.
She's right though. Everybody else has it...
What do you think is the most poorly written scene in the ME series?
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I'm pretty sure its 343 if you get the absolute max...... but i don't have my FemShep save accesible immediately to confirm itcongokong wrote...
What's even stranger is that killing Kirrahe is actually good for your war assets.
http://masseffect.wi...Assets/Salarian
Based on these statistics, the maximum assets for salarians is 335 compared to 900 for krogan. Right...
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Shepard maybe "crying" about Earth, but at least she is doing something about it. Gathering assets and alliances. What are the Asarti doing? Refusing to attend a summit because the councillor says "its doomed to failure" but yet I have to say I'm sorry to her after Thessia when its her that should be saying I'm sorry. I understand she and the asari are taking care of their borders, but how hard is it to send someone to the summit?. They also withold an artifact that may or may not help the war effort. Shepard helps them out by setting off the bomb at the monestary that the commandos couldn't do.Barquiel wrote...
Liara's reaction immediately after Thessia is natural (IC), more natural than some of the other's, honestly. Yes, she obviously cares a bit more more about her own species/homeworld, but so does nearly everyone else (Shepard spends the entire game crying about Earth and trying to rally support to retake it, even though it is not strategically more significant than Palaven or Thessia. Or does Tali commit suicide because billions of batarians die?). At the other extreme we've got the wooden responses of characters like Miranda ("we live in interesting times") or Traynor and her toothbrush...
Liara expresses how sorry she is to hear about earth numerous times, seems genuinly distressed about palavan, but suddenly her breaking down because the reapers conquer her own homeworld is selfish?
I get that T'soni is upset about Thessia being attacked, but that gives her no right to get in Javik's face and start blaming him for no reason. If anything she shoud be upset with her own government for not revealing the artifact earlier.
Of course she is also upset that no one told her about the artifact. News flash for you Liara. The galaxy doesn't revolve around you. So boo hoo hoo that no one told you about it. And boo hoo hoo that you realize that you're not the prothean expert you think you are. And of course her stupid remark about the Alliance providing air support. I wanted a renegade interrupt.to either hit her or tell her off.
I think really the issue with Liara isn't so much Liara but that we learn that Asari were jerks who kept the prothean beacon to themselves to gain power and influence throughout the galaxy and maintain superiority and kept it a secret until the very last minute when they realized THEY were in danger. Shepard is helping Palaven and the krogan and the quarians and yes, there is the motive to get help for earth but also the idea is to destroy the reapers. The asari did what the bartender matriarch said - sit back and watch while everything burns because they live a thousand years (and have all that prothean power). And when you discover this, Liara defends her people, too blind to see how horrible they really are. Her father saw it though. She wanted to get them trained as commandos and build mass relays. She was wise and didn't think they should sit around letting others fry and burn while they watched. So I think people transfer all the feelings they have when they learn about thessia's secret onto Liara which is probably because Liara 1) defends her people instead of being horrified and shows a bit of her own asari self-righteousness in that moment then 2) goes and blames Javik - WTF?! Javik's people gave them all they could and it benefitted them mightly as we see through the series. But they squandered and hoarded it in all their pompous self-righteousness while making an outcast of the one matriarch who wasn't pompous and self-righteous.
I'm always happy when thessia falls. I kind of hope Illium goes next .... and I hate that my Shepard is forced to mope when she should be saying 'they could have helped and they didn't. They hoarded power and it cost them. Liara, I'm sorry for what happened to your people, but if they came to us sooner rather than waiting until it was their asses on the line, we could have done something or tried to do something.'
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I don't think we can blame the Asari as a whole. After all only very few people higher up in the government even know about it, the rest of the Asari are reasonably decent people (at least no more, no less than the rest of the galaxy). Liara's reaction is natural for every race, maybe over time she would come to hold her government responsible but initially I don't see how she could feel any other way.
Besides, without the Asari what would we use for dancers at Omega?
Besides, without the Asari what would we use for dancers at Omega?
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starlitegirlx wrote...
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Shepard maybe "crying" about Earth, but at least she is doing something about it. Gathering assets and alliances. What are the Asarti doing? Refusing to attend a summit because the councillor says "its doomed to failure" but yet I have to say I'm sorry to her after Thessia when its her that should be saying I'm sorry. I understand she and the asari are taking care of their borders, but how hard is it to send someone to the summit?. They also withold an artifact that may or may not help the war effort. Shepard helps them out by setting off the bomb at the monestary that the commandos couldn't do.Barquiel wrote...
Liara's reaction immediately after Thessia is natural (IC), more natural than some of the other's, honestly. Yes, she obviously cares a bit more more about her own species/homeworld, but so does nearly everyone else (Shepard spends the entire game crying about Earth and trying to rally support to retake it, even though it is not strategically more significant than Palaven or Thessia. Or does Tali commit suicide because billions of batarians die?). At the other extreme we've got the wooden responses of characters like Miranda ("we live in interesting times") or Traynor and her toothbrush...
Liara expresses how sorry she is to hear about earth numerous times, seems genuinly distressed about palavan, but suddenly her breaking down because the reapers conquer her own homeworld is selfish?
I get that T'soni is upset about Thessia being attacked, but that gives her no right to get in Javik's face and start blaming him for no reason. If anything she shoud be upset with her own government for not revealing the artifact earlier.
Of course she is also upset that no one told her about the artifact. News flash for you Liara. The galaxy doesn't revolve around you. So boo hoo hoo that no one told you about it. And boo hoo hoo that you realize that you're not the prothean expert you think you are. And of course her stupid remark about the Alliance providing air support. I wanted a renegade interrupt.to either hit her or tell her off.
I think really the issue with Liara isn't so much Liara but that we learn that Asari were jerks who kept the prothean beacon to themselves to gain power and influence throughout the galaxy and maintain superiority and kept it a secret until the very last minute when they realized THEY were in danger. Shepard is helping Palaven and the krogan and the quarians and yes, there is the motive to get help for earth but also the idea is to destroy the reapers. The asari did what the bartender matriarch said - sit back and watch while everything burns because they live a thousand years (and have all that prothean power). And when you discover this, Liara defends her people, too blind to see how horrible they really are. Her father saw it though. She wanted to get them trained as commandos and build mass relays. She was wise and didn't think they should sit around letting others fry and burn while they watched. So I think people transfer all the feelings they have when they learn about thessia's secret onto Liara which is probably because Liara 1) defends her people instead of being horrified and shows a bit of her own asari self-righteousness in that moment then 2) goes and blames Javik - WTF?! Javik's people gave them all they could and it benefitted them mightly as we see through the series. But they squandered and hoarded it in all their pompous self-righteousness while making an outcast of the one matriarch who wasn't pompous and self-righteous.
I'm always happy when thessia falls. I kind of hope Illium goes next ....
I think Liara is a great character and a very good person, but as I've said before on the boards, her greatest flaw is that she's very driven by emotion. Her bordering on obsession for Shepard and pursuit of the Shadow Broker validate this. In Thessia's case she's seeing her homeworld being decimated, Javik stating the asari's history is a lie, and that her government has violated one of the galaxy's most sacred laws by witholding prothean technology; something her own mother was privy to. It's not surprising that she wouldn't behave completely rationally.
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I will give Illium credit. When you scan the planet, it mentions Illium targeted the reaper transport ships delaying the invasion.instead of targeting the reaper capital ships
I will give Illium credit. When you scan the planet, it mentions Illium targeted the reaper transport ships delaying the invasion.instead of targeting the reaper capital ships
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Garrus did have baggage. He could have spent time hunting for the traitor. Once you get him out of that mess, he could be like Liara and decide he has to do that. But he chose to come with Shepard. She needs him. She was a friend to him. He's a great loyal friend.
I can see both sides of the Liara thing because she could have come with you like Garrus did. They could have added the LOTSB content with her on the ship. She gets a message and now you have an added mission. She didn't even need to have a loyalty mission or it could have been something simple like doing the hacks was the mission that once it was done you helped her and she joins as loyal because you did that. Would have been brilliant actually. They just didn't want her in that one. I think they clearly didn't want her to risk dying in the suicide mission. Not that she was crucial to the game after that because she really wasn't other than she was an asari contact and shadow broker, but NONE of that needed her to be part of the story. So the reason why I can agree with both sides of this is because it's clearly plot armor so she is there for ME3 because ME3 only starts with James and her. She's the one at mars. So they needed to have someone from earlier to do it rather than you meet someone on Mars who was a researcher and have the VS stay with you instead of the total contrivance injury since medigel seems to cure you from death but I guess not from getting whacked into a shuttle. I forgive Liara for not coming with you because that is really just crap writing.
The VS can be seen as a very loyal Alliance person except that both of them encourage you to break the rules and go to Ilos. That is why it never sat well with me. Crap writing. They can understand when they are in the middle of it but they can't understand when you are trying to save colonies and nobody else cares. So which was their character? Or is their character such that it changes with regards to having sex? If you don't romance them, you can see them as alliance loyals. But if you do, the whole thing changes as they are totally for breaking regs to screw you and rushing off to Ilos when you were locked down. That's some truly craptastic writing.
Garrus would never sit in an office like Liara hunting for Sidonis and he was still hunting while on the Normandy. It's how he found Sidonis. Liara made it clear she couldn't hunt the shadow broker on the Normandy. And hey, Liara did risk her life for Shepard's corpse. That gets her some loyalty points.
I think the VS would bend/break the rules after experiencing what Shepard had like they did in ME1. But in ME2 they weren't involved and only saw "Cerberus" and refused to be open-minded. It makes sense to me.
Liara is plot armored. That is why it was written that way. They didn't want her to be risked on the suicide mission. So the excuses come off as flimsy but like I said, I can agree on whatever opinion one has on that one because it's really just crap writing. Excuses they wrote in. No real reason.
Kind of the same for the VS. The VS doesn't see Shepard, which after following him/her to Ilos and being there for all of it, should have some kind of trust for Shepard. That is not understandable. Shepard clearly states that it's about saving the colonies. VS whines that it could be a lie or an agenda. Well duh, of course it is, but the colonies are still being abducted so should shepard just say 'oh well it's cerberus so I'm not going to use them to save the colonists'? Should Shepard be like the Alliance and Council and ignore it? That's poor writing or just a very stupid character because saving the colonists in my book (and ending the collectors as well) seems like a priority that should put the cerberus situation to the side no matter how frustrating it is. It's like the VS forgets it is shepard 'the hero/savoir of the citadel' who went above and beyond for the RIGHT reason. The problem is that the VS instantly forgets that. Made them definitely bullet worthy for me3.
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See what we're not seeing is what was most likely happening on the other sides. Turian spectres approaching the council for aid for Palaven. Asari spectres approaching the Council for aid for the Asari Republics. We only saw the story through Shepard's eyes. So if you're the Council how do you pick and choose? Palaven is getting hit already. Earth is getting hit. The Asari Republics are getting hit on the fringes. If you are the Council how do you pick and choose who to help? Do you say, "Oh, let's drop everything and help Earth."
They were between a rock and a hard place. Everyone except the Salarians were getting hit. A summit to gain aid for Earth was doomed to failure, and it did fail. The Salarians pulled out. Do you think Asari presence would have made a difference? No, it wouldn't. But it was set up to be "ooo those bad blue girls. We needs to start hating thems more." Whereas the real problem was the Salarians. Does anyone say anything about them? No. Of course not because Mordin cures the genophage for the ultimate cannon fodder - Krogan, and leaves the galaxy with another problem post war: the rapidly expanding population of Krogan that soon will overrun their home planet of Tuchanka and move to other worlds, and require another genophage.
But the problem is the blue girls. ... and Liara. That b****. She keeps spying on us. We keeps trying to steal our precious.
It's 320 if you save the Destiny Ascension; and 280 if you don't save the Destiny Ascension. That's according to Wikia. But Wikia has been wrong before.
They were between a rock and a hard place. Everyone except the Salarians were getting hit. A summit to gain aid for Earth was doomed to failure, and it did fail. The Salarians pulled out. Do you think Asari presence would have made a difference? No, it wouldn't. But it was set up to be "ooo those bad blue girls. We needs to start hating thems more." Whereas the real problem was the Salarians. Does anyone say anything about them? No. Of course not because Mordin cures the genophage for the ultimate cannon fodder - Krogan, and leaves the galaxy with another problem post war: the rapidly expanding population of Krogan that soon will overrun their home planet of Tuchanka and move to other worlds, and require another genophage.
But the problem is the blue girls. ... and Liara. That b****. She keeps spying on us. We keeps trying to steal our precious.
It's 320 if you save the Destiny Ascension; and 280 if you don't save the Destiny Ascension. That's according to Wikia. But Wikia has been wrong before.
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starlitegirlx wrote...
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Garrus did have baggage. He could have spent time hunting for the traitor. Once you get him out of that mess, he could be like Liara and decide he has to do that. But he chose to come with Shepard. She needs him. She was a friend to him. He's a great loyal friend.
I can see both sides of the Liara thing because she could have come with you like Garrus did. They could have added the LOTSB content with her on the ship. She gets a message and now you have an added mission. She didn't even need to have a loyalty mission or it could have been something simple like doing the hacks was the mission that once it was done you helped her and she joins as loyal because you did that. Would have been brilliant actually. They just didn't want her in that one. I think they clearly didn't want her to risk dying in the suicide mission. Not that she was crucial to the game after that because she really wasn't other than she was an asari contact and shadow broker, but NONE of that needed her to be part of the story. So the reason why I can agree with both sides of this is because it's clearly plot armor so she is there for ME3 because ME3 only starts with James and her. She's the one at mars. So they needed to have someone from earlier to do it rather than you meet someone on Mars who was a researcher and have the VS stay with you instead of the total contrivance injury since medigel seems to cure you from death but I guess not from getting whacked into a shuttle. I forgive Liara for not coming with you because that is really just crap writing.
The VS can be seen as a very loyal Alliance person except that both of them encourage you to break the rules and go to Ilos. That is why it never sat well with me. Crap writing. They can understand when they are in the middle of it but they can't understand when you are trying to save colonies and nobody else cares. So which was their character? Or is their character such that it changes with regards to having sex? If you don't romance them, you can see them as alliance loyals. But if you do, the whole thing changes as they are totally for breaking regs to screw you and rushing off to Ilos when you were locked down. That's some truly craptastic writing.
Garrus would never sit in an office like Liara hunting for Sidonis and he was still hunting while on the Normandy. It's how he found Sidonis. Liara made it clear she couldn't hunt the shadow broker on the Normandy. And hey, Liara did risk her life for Shepard's corpse. That gets her some loyalty points.
I think the VS would bend/break the rules after experiencing what Shepard had like they did in ME1. But in ME2 they weren't involved and only saw "Cerberus" and refused to be open-minded. It makes sense to me.
Liara is plot armored. That is why it was written that way. They didn't want her to be risked on the suicide mission. So the excuses come off as flimsy but like I said, I can agree on whatever opinion one has on that one because it's really just crap writing. Excuses they wrote in. No real reason.
Kind of the same for the VS. The VS doesn't see Shepard, which after following him/her to Ilos and being there for all of it, should have some kind of trust for Shepard. That is not understandable. Shepard clearly states that it's about saving the colonies. VS whines that it could be a lie or an agenda. Well duh, of course it is, but the colonies are still being abducted so should shepard just say 'oh well it's cerberus so I'm not going to use them to save the colonists'? Should Shepard be like the Alliance and Council and ignore it? That's poor writing or just a very stupid character because saving the colonists in my book (and ending the collectors as well) seems like a priority that should put the cerberus situation to the side no matter how frustrating it is. It's like the VS forgets it is shepard 'the hero/savoir of the citadel' who went above and beyond for the RIGHT reason. The problem is that the VS instantly forgets that. Made them definitely bullet worthy for me3.
I certainly think the Illium/Liara plot is bad writing. No argument here. It's how this thread got started in the first place.
I can believe the VS's attitude. If they see things as black/white they might overlook Shepard's heroics and think Cerberus is controlling him/her. A short-sighted patriot might respond that way. I don't see it as bad writing personally but it doesn't make me sympathize with the VS at all. And as you said, it earn them a bullet in ME3 (especially Ashley who doesn't even apologize for Horizon).
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Odd. The summit was a success to my recollection. That Wreav never saw what hit him.
Odd. The summit was a success to my recollection. That Wreav never saw what hit him.
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See what we're not seeing is what was most likely happening on the other sides. Turian spectres approaching the council for aid for Palaven. Asari spectres approaching the Council for aid for the Asari Republics. We only saw the story through Shepard's eyes. So if you're the Council how do you pick and choose? Palaven is getting hit already. Earth is getting hit. The Asari Republics are getting hit on the fringes. If you are the Council how do you pick and choose who to help? Do you say, "Oh, let's drop everything and help Earth."
They were between a rock and a hard place. Everyone except the Salarians were getting hit. A summit to gain aid for Earth was doomed to failure, and it did fail. The Salarians pulled out. Do you think Asari presence would have made a difference? No, it wouldn't. But it was set up to be "ooo those bad blue girls. We needs to start hating thems more." Whereas the real problem was the Salarians. Does anyone say anything about them? No. Of course not because Mordin cures the genophage for the ultimate cannon fodder - Krogan, and leaves the galaxy with another problem post war: the rapidly expanding population of Krogan that soon will overrun their home planet of Tuchanka and move to other worlds, and require another genophage.
But the problem is the blue girls. ... and Liara. That b****. She keeps spying on us. We keeps trying to steal our precious.
The whole notion of saving earth rather than the galaxy was a game wide one which I put down to saving earth having more marketing pull.
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I don't think the Asari deserve any more blame than any other form of galactic leadership (except for maybe the Turian Hierarchy, those guys are rad). They were all written to include almost every single negative politician trope ever made, to make Shepard all the more important when him and his friends run around the galaxy making up for everyone's incompetence.
It isn't restricted to one scene in particular but it is the common element that makes every meeting with the Council after ME1 and every single discussion with a hologram projection of a politician painful to play through.
It isn't restricted to one scene in particular but it is the common element that makes every meeting with the Council after ME1 and every single discussion with a hologram projection of a politician painful to play through.
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The summit worked well for my Shepard who always got the job done. She got the krogans, salarians, and turians onboard through careful diplomacy.
The summit worked well for my Shepard who always got the job done. She got the krogans, salarians, and turians onboard through careful diplomacy.
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I certainly think the Illium/Liara plot is bad writing. No argument here. It's how this thread got started in the first place.
I can believe the VS's attitude. If they see things as black/white they might overlook Shepard's heroics and think Cerberus is controlling him/her. A short-sighted patriot might respond that way. I don't see it as bad writing personally but it doesn't make me sympathize with the VS at all. And as you said, it earn them a bullet in ME3 (especially Ashley who doesn't even apologize for Horizon).
I think I get stuck on the VS because it seems like an inconsistency. Calling shepard a hero/savior in one sentence then hearing 'cerberus' and jumping to this other end of the spectrum which totally dismisses the reality that the colonies are still being abducted. Maybe that doesn't make sense to others, but to me, I see it as the sort of thing where the VS taking that arrogant attitude against shepard for trying to save colonies is absurd. I fast forward through that whole interaction when I play because it's total BS to me. Like okay, I will not work with cerberus and let the colonies keep getting abducted (until they run out and then head to earth because remember the collector ship? targeting earth...) just because it's cerberus. If it was the devil himself, my character would still do it.
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I can believe the VS's attitude. If they see things as black/white they might overlook Shepard's heroics and think Cerberus is controlling him/her. A short-sighted patriot might respond that way. I don't see it as bad writing personally but it doesn't make me sympathize with the VS at all. And as you said, it earn them a bullet in ME3 (especially Ashley who doesn't even apologize for Horizon).
i didn't have an issue with the notion of the vs attitude on horizon. I do agree with someone else's point I read where they suggested Arrival should have been the vs reconciliation/reunion that lotsb was.
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I certainly think the Illium/Liara plot is bad writing. No argument here. It's how this thread got started in the first place.
I can believe the VS's attitude. If they see things as black/white they might overlook Shepard's heroics and think Cerberus is controlling him/her. A short-sighted patriot might respond that way. I don't see it as bad writing personally but it doesn't make me sympathize with the VS at all. And as you said, it earn them a bullet in ME3 (especially Ashley who doesn't even apologize for Horizon).
I think I get stuck on the VS because it seems like an inconsistency. Calling shepard a hero/savior in one sentence then hearing 'cerberus' and jumping to this other end of the spectrum which totally dismisses the reality that the colonies are still being abducted. Maybe that doesn't make sense to others, but to me, I see it as the sort of thing where the VS taking that arrogant attitude against shepard for trying to save colonies is absurd. I fast forward through that whole interaction when I play because it's total BS to me. Like okay, I will not work with cerberus and let the colonies keep getting abducted (until they run out and then head to earth because remember the collector ship? targeting earth...) just because it's cerberus. If it was the devil himself, my character would still do it.
As a short-sighted patriot in the VS's eyes Cerberus is black and white evil and they aren't aware or don't believe Cerberus is truly trying to save the colonies. They suggest Cerberus might be behind it, remember? They worry Cerberus is influencing Shepard's decisions.
I'm saying I understand their reaction. It's believable to me but I'm not ok with it. A true friend would give Shepard a chance like the others do. The VS makes no effort. They feel Shepard joining Cerberus is a betrayal to everything they stood for. That's almost verbatim. With that mentality about the Alliance, I can believe their reaction and hate them for it.
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If the asari are dumb enough to wait to the last minute to mention the beacon then their dumb enough to realize they don't need support. You can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselvesvon uber wrote...
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And of course her stupid remark about the Alliance providing air support. I wanted a renegade interrupt.to either hit her or tell her off.
She's right though. Everybody else has it...
That makes no sense. The quote occurs because with asari air support they find the going a lot easier.
But then you have an obsession with hating the asari so it's understandable you'd misrepresent it to make them look bad.
Anyway as noted above the salarians do feck all and yet never get half the flack. Strange.
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I can believe the VS's attitude. If they see things as black/white they might overlook Shepard's heroics and think Cerberus is controlling him/her. A short-sighted patriot might respond that way. I don't see it as bad writing personally but it doesn't make me sympathize with the VS at all. And as you said, it earn them a bullet in ME3 (especially Ashley who doesn't even apologize for Horizon).
i didn't have an issue with the notion of the vs attitude on horizon. I do agree with someone else's point I read where they suggested Arrival should have been the vs reconciliation/reunion that lotsb was.
But that would have ruined all that tension in the beginning of ME3 which was something they clearly wanted to have. Also, I think for people who didn't get Arrival, it would have been bizarre to have the VS being friendly and like nothing happened on horizon.
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Believe what you want. The asari messed up and you're just blinded by your obsession with the asari that you can't see it so its understandable you'd misrepresent it to make them look good.von uber wrote...
That makes no sense. The quote occurs because with asari air support they find the going a lot easier.
But then you have an obsession with hating the asari so it's understandable you'd misrepresent it to make them look bad.
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Believe what you want. The asari messed up and you're just blinded by your obsession with the asari that you can't see it so its understandable you'd misrepresent it to make them look good.
Asari leadership messed up. I don't think the blueberries should be condemned just because they have crappy leaders, every other race in the galaxy has the same incompetent people at the helm.
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Believe what you want. The asari messed up and you're just blinded by your obsession with the asari that you can't see it so its understandable you'd misrepresent it to make them look good.von uber wrote...
That makes no sense. The quote occurs because with asari air support they find the going a lot easier.
But then you have an obsession with hating the asari so it's understandable you'd misrepresent it to make them look bad.
Meh. I'm not the one complaining about the asari and wishing to smash the butt of my rifle in liara's face all the time. Or hoping you can exterminate the planet or whatever. But each to their own.
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Posté 13 février 2014 - 10:17
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themikefest wrote...
Believe what you want. The asari messed up and you're just blinded by your obsession with the asari that you can't see it so its understandable you'd misrepresent it to make them look good.von uber wrote...
That makes no sense. The quote occurs because with asari air support they find the going a lot easier.
But then you have an obsession with hating the asari so it's understandable you'd misrepresent it to make them look bad.
The asari at the top are the ones that are worth hating. The rest are just doing whatever they want because that's how life is for the asari. Be a merc or a dancer for several hundred years.... whatever you want.... right? Get one asari who thinks maybe they should focus a little more like Liara's father and they laugh her out of the fold so she ends up a bartender. Can't really blame most of the asari for how they are when they have all these matriarchs and only one of them is trying to shift things so they are more than merc and dancers for a big chunk of their lives.
And it turns out Liara was the most helpful to her people or had the potential to be had she known about the prothean beacon... but they didn't respect her because she was still considered a child at 100 years old. Clearly she should have been dancing or in a merc band.
The race as a whole sits on its laurels. They had power from the beacon and didn't even put it to good use other than being well... powerful. Imagine what they could have accomplished if they really tried or had been like the protheans aiming for betterment of all races though I can't remember if the protheans did that because it was a good thing to do or because they wanted another species like the asari to be able to stop the reapers or to help the asari evolve sort of the way the reapers helped the galaxy evolve... on a path that would end up fitting nicely within the Prothean empire as good little minions.
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Posté 13 février 2014 - 10:23
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While I agree that the Asari not joining the summit is weird...who cares? The whole point of the war summit was to cure the krogan, or not. Victus wants some cannon fodder for Palavan. The krogan want a cure. The dalatrass wants to sabotage these efforts. These are all demands the asari couldn't influence. They didn't really coordinate the war effort or something during the summit. The asari joined after the Cerberus coup, so virtually the same time as anyone else does (...and they contribute more war assets than the Turians or the Salarians). They simply didn't get some shiny "recruitment" mission like the turians/krogan and the geth/quarians or ask for something in return like the salarians.
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Posté 13 février 2014 - 10:26
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ImaginaryMatter wrote...
themikefest wrote...
Believe what you want. The asari messed up and you're just blinded by your obsession with the asari that you can't see it so its understandable you'd misrepresent it to make them look good.
Asari leadership messed up. I don't think the blueberries should be condemned just because they have crappy leaders, every other race in the galaxy has the same incompetent people at the helm.
This!
I think it's just more notable because we discover how powerful they are when we hear that broadcast on illium then listen to the bartender. And then we discover the beacon on thessia. I think all that makes it seem much worse but really it is the leadership, isn't it? There's no guidance for the race. Dancers and Mercs a chunk of their lives. Understandable to a degree given they live a thousand years. Might want to spend a decade or two just being a merc or dancer... really, I can see how that would happen.
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Posté 13 février 2014 - 10:32
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Why didn't Ash or Kaidan say .... "Hey, Shepard, there was this big ship, and these bugs. What happened?"
Shepard: "The Collectors attacked. We managed to save half of the colony and drove the Collectors back onto that ship. Ash, I'm glad you made it. It's been empty on my ship without you. I could really use you on the team."
Ash: "Thanks for saving me, and the colony. But Cerberus? You're kidding me? You're with Cerberus? After everything we've been through? We thought you were dead."
Shepard: "It's a long story. I was dead. I'm missing two years. Cerberus somehow got hold of my body and brought me back to life. Honestly, I don't like working with them, but the Council blew me off about the Collectors and the Reapers. I'm still a Spectre. So I'm using Cerberus resources to stop the Collectors from abducting any more colonies. Dr. Chakwas and Joker are on the ship. You can talk to them if you don't believe me. And you remember Garrus (if Garrus is on Horizon).
Garrus: Shepard's telling the truth, Ashley, and I don't like Cerberus anymore than you do.
Shepard: Admiral Hackett didn't have any objections either, and Anderson didn't order me back to the Alliance. Talk to Anderson if you don't believe me.
Ash: It's okay with them? I just can't...
Shepard: You'll just have to make up your mind to either trust me or not.
Ash (sighs): Okay, Shepard, I'll trust your instincts, but I can't go aboard a Cerberus vessel. They're considered terrorists. Good luck on your mission. Get it done and get away from them as soon as you can, okay? You can't trust Cerberus.
Shepard: "The Collectors attacked. We managed to save half of the colony and drove the Collectors back onto that ship. Ash, I'm glad you made it. It's been empty on my ship without you. I could really use you on the team."
Ash: "Thanks for saving me, and the colony. But Cerberus? You're kidding me? You're with Cerberus? After everything we've been through? We thought you were dead."
Shepard: "It's a long story. I was dead. I'm missing two years. Cerberus somehow got hold of my body and brought me back to life. Honestly, I don't like working with them, but the Council blew me off about the Collectors and the Reapers. I'm still a Spectre. So I'm using Cerberus resources to stop the Collectors from abducting any more colonies. Dr. Chakwas and Joker are on the ship. You can talk to them if you don't believe me. And you remember Garrus (if Garrus is on Horizon).
Garrus: Shepard's telling the truth, Ashley, and I don't like Cerberus anymore than you do.
Shepard: Admiral Hackett didn't have any objections either, and Anderson didn't order me back to the Alliance. Talk to Anderson if you don't believe me.
Ash: It's okay with them? I just can't...
Shepard: You'll just have to make up your mind to either trust me or not.
Ash (sighs): Okay, Shepard, I'll trust your instincts, but I can't go aboard a Cerberus vessel. They're considered terrorists. Good luck on your mission. Get it done and get away from them as soon as you can, okay? You can't trust Cerberus.
