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[congokong]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I'd hardly call the yahg "interesting." They transplanted something from Dragon Age to shoot at and provided only the scantest motives for his alliance with the collectors. Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

That's another thing that bothers me about the Shadow Broker. How has such a meticulous information trader that has been doing this successfully for decades become so ****ing stupid? The Shadow Broker knows the Collectors work for the reapers and yet makes deals with them?

"What danger could Shepard's body impose" or something was his defense. Seriously? Maybe they'll use it to research how to make stronger husks. I also heard speculation that he thought he could avoid death by the reapers if he worked with them. Such an idiot.

Then his terminals suggest he was planning to wage war against Cerberus. He's certainly making a lot of enemies despite being someone who supposedly stays neutral.

Anderson's description of him is so off in ME1. "He's not a threat to anyone; not directly." Tell that to all those people blown up trying to kill Liara. "He's a necessary evil of galactic politics." That's also false. Politics would continue without him. Lawyers for example are a necessary evil because the system couldn't work without them.

[congokong]

Seboist wrote...

Would be a nice idea if it wasn't for the fact that the Broker helped Shep and Co against Saren/Sovereign in ME1.

Speaking of such, I found the Broker's 180 in allegiance in ME2 to support the pitifully weak collectors to be weird.

The Broker is pretty worthless in ME1 even if you bother going to Barla Von. "This information is worth a small fortune" by simply saying Saren is now SB's enemy? And that Wrex was hired to kill Fist? That's hardly a secret. And that's the only help he provides. It just comes off as narcissitic that any information involving SB is worth so much. Later on SB wanted Cerberus intel but I told him to get stuffed. Good thing too considering what he tries to pull in ME2.

Modifié par congokong, 20 février 2014 - 04:22 .

[themikefest]

With the shadow broker I would try to talk him into helping stop the reapers if your paragon/renegade is high enough. If you're successful, T'soni and the shadow broker together find a way to stop the reapers.

If you're unsucessful you kill him and have Barla Von become the shadow broker since he is better with information.

[CrutchCricket]

Hey I liked the yahg. How he goes from calm unperturbed "I know everything thus you can't hurt me" to "rawr, rampaging stupidity" is dumb, granted (though it is revealed to be a character trait). But the concept of the race is cool. I'd want to see more yahg.

As for one person running the network.... *shrug* if Palpatine could do it, why not? Though I agree an AI would make more sense because it'd be better equipped to handle it.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 20 février 2014 - 04:46 .

[MassPredator]

"Ths isn´t about tactics or strategy this is about survival.... we fight or we die" -Shepard intro. ME3
"iam the catalyst".........and all that come after that. ME3

The most poorly written scenes in the games, IMO.

Modifié par MassPredator, 20 février 2014 - 04:56 .

[congokong]

themikefest wrote...

With the shadow broker I would try to talk him into helping stop the reapers if your paragon/renegade is high enough. If you're successful, T'soni and the shadow broker together find a way to stop the reapers.

If you're unsucessful you kill him and have Barla Von become the shadow broker since he is better with information.

I hope you're joking. You'd think Shepard and Liara would spare him after all he did? And then just invite Barla Von to Hagalaz? Besides, they were right there. They could just kill him and use the base themselves (which they do).

You must be joking.

[themikefest]

congokong wrote...

themikefest wrote...

With the shadow broker I would try to talk him into helping stop the reapers if your paragon/renegade is high enough. If you're successful, T'soni and the shadow broker together find a way to stop the reapers.

If you're unsucessful you kill him and have Barla Von become the shadow broker since he is better with information.

I hope you're joking. You'd think Shepard and Liara would spare him after all he did? And then just invite Barla Von to Hagalaz? Besides, they were right there. They could just kill him and use the base themselves (which they do).

You must be joking.

Why must I be joking?

[AlexMBrennan]

"What danger could Shepard's body impose" or something was his defense. Seriously? Maybe they'll use it to research how to make stronger husks. I also heard speculation that he thought he could avoid death by the reapers if he worked with them. Such an idiot.

Actually, he is absolutely correct - Harbinger looking at Shepard's body makes as much sense as dissecting the brains of lottery winners looking for precognition which suggests that the Reapers, or at least the writers writing the Reapers, are ignorant of stastics (cf hypothesis suggested by the data)

[mat_mark]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Nothing tops the original Catalyst convo pre-EC. Confusing, pretentious, brief, non-interactive.

Ever post-EC that scene is the worst one of the entire franchise, IMHO

[ImaginaryMatter]

SporkFu wrote...

I have to say that the conversation with the dying reaper on Rannoch always bugged me, specifically the line, "... in order to bring order to the chaos." Erg, it just bugs me. But the whole conversation could have been erased with little impact, imho. The reaper should have just died.

It always bothered me because of the notion that the Reapers think of the Synthetic vs Organic conflict as chaotic. Supposedly, the destruction or whatever is inevitable and Reapers go about the whole genocide thing impartially. If something is really pretictable from your perspective and you approach it from an emotionalless standpoint chaos seems like the wrong word to use. I think the writers only did it to reference back to what Sovereign said.

[ImaginaryMatter]

StreetMagic wrote...

SporkFu wrote...

I have to say that the conversation with the dying reaper on Rannoch always bugged me, specifically the line, "... in order to bring order to the chaos." Erg, it just bugs me. But the whole conversation could have been erased with little impact, imho. The reaper should have just died.

It's just an extension of what Sovereign says. "We bring order to the chaos of organic evolution."

That's what I think they were going for. However, I think it works better in context when Sovereign said it. With the Rannoch Reaper it sounds like he's talking about crazy machine logic where robots kill people to "save" them, which raised a few flags playing that scene for the first time. With Sovereign, who has much more disdain for Organics, it sounds more like Reapers wiping us out without any remorse.

[ImaginaryMatter]

themikefest wrote...

With the shadow broker I would try to talk him into helping stop the reapers if your paragon/renegade is high enough. If you're successful, T'soni and the shadow broker together find a way to stop the reapers.

If you're unsucessful you kill him and have Barla Von become the shadow broker since he is better with information.

I honestly would have liked for them to have kept Liara as a space archaeologist. This is my shameless plug for my magical ME2 rewrite, but her role in that game would have involved investigating the Ilos ruins with a Citadel team. When you meet her on Ilos she is arranging for additional supplies or something like that.

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 20 février 2014 - 05:49 .

[Oni Changas]

CrutchCricket wrote...

Hey I liked the yahg. How he goes from calm unperturbed "I know everything thus you can't hurt me" to "rawr, rampaging stupidity" is dumb, granted (though it is revealed to be a character trait). But the concept of the race is cool. I'd want to see more yahg.

As for one person running the network.... *shrug* if Palpatine could do it, why not? Though I agree an AI would make more sense because it'd be better equipped to handle it.

Well, to his great credit, 90% of the time, Palpatine had people under his control through the force or extreme manipulation, and when they weren't, they feared him. It's evident by many characters' demeanor around him, particularly Vader.

[Pantegana]

I could say "anything relating to the starbrat" but since many have already pointed that out, I'll say it's the rannoch reaper fight.
What bugs me is that shep's still alive when he dodges the beam.

It might seem stupid but that thing generates a massive heat and even if you dodge it by 10 meters you're gonna get burned.
Ican relate myself that you can feel the heat of a big fire through  protective gear, having worked as a fireman. And some of the older guys  used to tell me about those unlucky who got burned through the vest by  the heat. The fire was so damn hot that the heat burned them through the protective gear even though they were standing away from the fire.
If a normal fire can do that, a reaper death-beam-of-massive-uberdestruction should be even worse.

Modifié par Pantegana, 20 février 2014 - 06:16 .

[CrutchCricket]

OniTYME wrote...
Well, to his great credit, 90% of the time, Palpatine had people under his control through the force or extreme manipulation, and when they weren't, they feared him. It's evident by many characters' demeanor around him, particularly Vader.

I'd say that applies to the Yahg as well. The Shadow Broker's reputation precedes him and I believe it's actually stated that his personal guard are scared ****less of him.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 20 février 2014 - 06:18 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Pantegana wrote...

I could say "anything relating to the starbrat" but since many have already pointed that out, I'll say it's the rannoch reaper fight.
What bugs me is that shep's still alive when he dodges the beam.

It might seem stupid but that thing generates a massive heat and even if you dodge it by 10 meters you're gonna get burned.
Ican relate myself that you can feel the heat of a big fire through  protective gear, having worked as a fireman. And some of the older guys  used to tell me about those unlucky who got burned through the vest by  the heat. The fire was so damn hot that the heat burned them through the protective gear even though they were standing away from the fire.
If a normal fire can do that, a reaper death-beam-of-massive-uberdestruction should be even worse.

Not to mention that the concussion alone from the Quarian fleet's orbital bombardment of the reaper would be enough to liquify Shepard at that distance. We're talking about an energy release in the kiloton range with every impact.

[Pantegana]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Pantegana wrote...

I could say "anything relating to the starbrat" but since many have already pointed that out, I'll say it's the rannoch reaper fight.
What bugs me is that shep's still alive when he dodges the beam.

It might seem stupid but that thing generates a massive heat and even if you dodge it by 10 meters you're gonna get burned.
Ican relate myself that you can feel the heat of a big fire through  protective gear, having worked as a fireman. And some of the older guys  used to tell me about those unlucky who got burned through the vest by  the heat. The fire was so damn hot that the heat burned them through the protective gear even though they were standing away from the fire.
If a normal fire can do that, a reaper death-beam-of-massive-uberdestruction should be even worse.

Not to mention that the concussion alone from the Quarian fleet's orbital bombardment of the reaper would be enough to liquify Shepard at that distance. We're talking about an energy release in the kiloton range with every impact.

Hadn't thought of that, you're right.

[Iakus]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Not to mention that the concussion alone from the Quarian fleet's orbital bombardment of the reaper would be enough to liquify Shepard at that distance. We're talking about an energy release in the kiloton range with every impact.

The orbital bombardment should have rendered Rannoch uninhabitable, really.

[AlexMBrennan]

Obviously the quarians aren't using their big guns - if they were, concentrated fire from an entire fleet could easily overwhelm a single reaper's kinetic barriers and no targeting of weak spots would be necessary.

[DeinonSlayer]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Obviously the quarians aren't using their big guns - if they were, concentrated fire from an entire fleet could easily overwhelm a single reaper's kinetic barriers and no targeting of weak spots would be necessary.

"Serviceman Chung?"
"Sir?"
"...Eyeball it."
"Yes, sir!"

[ImaginaryMatter]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Obviously the quarians aren't using their big guns - if they were, concentrated fire from an entire fleet could easily overwhelm a single reaper's kinetic barriers and no targeting of weak spots would be necessary.

All the enemy ships in the Rannoch arch have the Mark IV Randanium Plot Armor plating their hulls.

[Invisible Man]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Obviously the quarians aren't using their big guns - if they were, concentrated fire from an entire fleet could easily overwhelm a single reaper's kinetic barriers and no targeting of weak spots would be necessary.

All the enemy ships in the Rannoch arch have the Mark IV Randanium Plot Armor plating their hulls.

minus the lifeships the bulk of the qurian's warships are frigates & carriers (I counted the lifeships as they've been armed)
a reaper of that size (a destroyer) needs at least cruiser sized firepower to counter (according to the codex). and we only have a few minutes (at best) between when shepard orders the fleets to fire & when the bombardment commences, the bulk of the qurian fleet might not have been able to position it's vessels to bombard a very small grid on the planet's surface. hence, why the entire fleet isn't shooting the reaper, and why it takes several rounds of punishment before taking lethal damage.

there is one more point near that part of the story that I think is poor writing. when you do the geth dreadnaught mission and the qurian fleet fires on it, the paragon response to the post-mission convo is you made the right call, but the renegade one is you put your whole race in the line of fire to destroy a geth dreadnaught. doesn't that seem rather backwards to anyone else, or is it just me?  

[RangerSG]

Invisible Man wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Obviously the quarians aren't using their big guns - if they were, concentrated fire from an entire fleet could easily overwhelm a single reaper's kinetic barriers and no targeting of weak spots would be necessary.

All the enemy ships in the Rannoch arch have the Mark IV Randanium Plot Armor plating their hulls.

minus the lifeships the bulk of the qurian's warships are frigates & carriers (I counted the lifeships as they've been armed)
a reaper of that size (a destroyer) needs at least cruiser sized firepower to counter (according to the codex). and we only have a few minutes (at best) between when shepard orders the fleets to fire & when the bombardment commences, the bulk of the qurian fleet might not have been able to position it's vessels to bombard a very small grid on the planet's surface. hence, why the entire fleet isn't shooting the reaper, and why it takes several rounds of punishment before taking lethal damage.

there is one more point near that part of the story that I think is poor writing. when you do the geth dreadnaught mission and the qurian fleet fires on it, the paragon response to the post-mission convo is you made the right call, but the renegade one is you put your whole race in the line of fire to destroy a geth dreadnaught. doesn't that seem rather backwards to anyone else, or is it just me?  

The paragon response is a wimp out. It's not "You made the right call" as much as "I don't want to make waves in the alliance."

The renegade response is alright because you're reacting mostly to seeing your crew knowingly fired upon by your own side when waiting for your team to evac wouldn't have cost him anything. 

The renegade interrupt is best, of course. Because it's exactly what Gerrell deserves at that moment. Even my paragons are inclined to gut punch him there. 

[DeinonSlayer]

I'm fighting the urge now to address Ranger's post... the thread really doesn't need to veer down THAT road. Suffice to say, I firmly believe Gerrel did the right thing regarding the dreadnought, and Shepards who punch him are egocentric morons.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 21 février 2014 - 12:54 .

[TheMyron]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

I'm fighting the urge now to address Ranger's post... the thread really doesn't need to veer down THAT road. Suffice to say, I firmly believe Gerrel did the right thing regarding the dreadnought, and Shepards who punch him are egocentric morons.

Not necessarily, he did risk Tali's life, plus he earlier jeopardized his people with his actions.