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[ImaginaryMatter]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Yes, this is a huge issue in the writing. You are pushed along the lines of believing everything offered by Legion and that reaper code in them is a good thing, etc etc when it is highly likely legion could have somehow manufactured all that information. I no longer take legion's word on faith simply because the game leads me too that. I now choose the quarians over the geth then watch legion try to kill me which proves to me the geth shouldn't have been saved if it means sacraficing the quarians.

Legion is almost a completely different character in ME3.

[wolfhowwl]

starlitegirlx wrote...
I no longer take legion's word on faith simply because the game leads me too that. I now choose the quarians over the geth then watch legion try to kill me which proves to me the geth shouldn't have been saved if it means sacraficing the quarians.

It's a reasonable response.

Why shouldn't Legion/Not-Legion try to kill the player, after all their loyalty would be to the Geth not the player.

If anything Tali and certainly Raan should also try to kill the player for the same reason.

[N0rke]

I think the worst written thing for me in ME3 wasn't a scene, but Liara's reaction to Thessia. The amount of whining she did was unbelievable. I get being taken back by your world's destruction, but whining about to no end is ridiculous, especially since Humans got the brunt of the assault.

[Bad King]

CronoDragoon wrote...

von uber wrote...

Cerberus attacking Sur'Kesh really makes no sense whatsoever.

No reason for a humans-first organization to capture a female who is the key to reviving krogan dominance in the galaxy? What am I missing?

"Troubled by Clan Weyrloc’s progress toward genophage cure without Cerberus knowledge. Cure data may prove useful. Krogan dangerous, but if recruited as shock troops against Reapers, extremely valuable." - The Illusive Man should you save the genophage data during Mordin's loyalty mission in ME2.

So it would be more in Cerberus' interests to capture Eve rather than slay her if anything in order to keep her as a hostage to ensure krogan support. But even ignoring this, destroying the genophage goes against Cerberus' interest for a key reason: their whole plan to control the reapers hinges on the construction and deployment of the crucible, and since for some reason they didn't bother building their own, they need the Alliance to build theirs and have turian support for its deployment (fleets to guard the crucible), and the turians only agree to hand over their fleets if the krogan agree to fight on Palaven.

Even if Cerberus did once view the krogan as a threat, once they control the reapers, the krogan would be a triviality. It's a waste of men and resources to attack a council world just to prevent a cure that is actually in your organisation's interest, particularly when said cure will be no threat to humanity once the reapers are controlled.

The only explanation for Cerberus' attack on Sur'Kesh that works is 'lolindoctrination'. So yeah, poorly written.

Modifié par Bad King, 22 février 2014 - 02:08 .

[von uber]

N0rke wrote...

I think the worst written thing for me in ME3 wasn't a scene, but Liara's reaction to Thessia. The amount of whining she did was unbelievable. I get being taken back by your world's destruction, but whining about to no end is ridiculous, especially since Humans got the brunt of the assault.

Watching the destruction of your entire culture and species and getting upset is whining? 
Righto.

[Bad King]

Seboist wrote...

iakus wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Citadel coup was fan service to all the Udina haters and to a lesser extent the anti-Cerb ones. There's no point whatsoever to this mission other than to "drop loads" on Udina.

The really bizarre thing is, up until the coup, I was actually starting to like  Udina in ME3.  He was a jerk, but he was our jerk.

ME3 did provide Udina with his best portrayal in the trilogy prior to the coup.

What a waste.

I also liked him in ME1 where he basically looked out for Shepard for much of the game: he pushed for Shepard's spectre status and stuck up for him on the Citadel during his activities on Feros, Noveria and Virmire. People hated him mainly because he was rude and blunt and so were baying for his blood by ME3 because he hurt their feelings. 

[CronoDragoon]

Bad King wrote...
Even if Cerberus did once view the krogan as a threat, once they control the reapers, the krogan would be a triviality. It's a waste of men and resources to attack a council world just to prevent a cure that is actually in your organisation's interest, particularly when said cure will be no threat to humanity once the reapers are controlled.

That's why I said captured, though. It's been a long time so maybe you can clarify for me, but are they actually trying to kill Eve on Sur'Kesh?

[von uber]

The salarians attempting a coup (reaction to a genophage cure / indoctrination which explains their initial lack of involvement) would have been interesting.

[RangerSG]

Bad King wrote...

Seboist wrote...

iakus wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Citadel coup was fan service to all the Udina haters and to a lesser extent the anti-Cerb ones. There's no point whatsoever to this mission other than to "drop loads" on Udina.

The really bizarre thing is, up until the coup, I was actually starting to like  Udina in ME3.  He was a jerk, but he was our jerk.

ME3 did provide Udina with his best portrayal in the trilogy prior to the coup.

What a waste.

I also liked him in ME1 where he basically looked out for Shepard for much of the game: he pushed for Shepard's spectre status and stuck up for him on the Citadel during his activities on Feros, Noveria and Virmire. People hated him mainly because he was rude and blunt and so were baying for his blood by ME3 because he hurt their feelings. 

No, they hated him mainly because he backstabbed Shepard and arranged for the Normandy to be taken away from him. Just like he threw Anderson under the bus (though apparently Anderson was expecting that, if the Citadel DLC interview notes are to be believed). Oh, and he didn't 'stick up for Shepard" in the one thing that mattered. He said the Reapers were a figment of imagination. Just like the Council did. So it's better to say, "He backed Shepard when it was politically expedient to do so, and then tossed him aside."

Even to the point of not reinstating him in ME2, and making Anderson deliver the news. Yeah. 

Modifié par RangerSG, 22 février 2014 - 02:36 .

[themikefest]

The scene in ME2 when all your squadmates have to use the shuttle(amazing how 12 plus Shepard can fit in the shuttle) for whatever mission so that the collectors can board the Normandy and take the crew.

[RangerSG]

themikefest wrote...

The scene in ME2 when all your squadmates have to use the shuttle(amazing how 12 plus Shepard can fit in the shuttle) for whatever mission so that the collectors can board the Normandy and take the crew.

That is a cringeworthy moment. That Shepard can't even say, "You know, maybe all of us leaving on a mission now might not be a good idea" is problematic. 

"Miranda, you thought of everything!" Yeah, like how to get the ship stolen from us. 

[N0rke]

von uber wrote...

N0rke wrote...

I think the worst written thing for me in ME3 wasn't a scene, but Liara's reaction to Thessia. The amount of whining she did was unbelievable. I get being taken back by your world's destruction, but whining about to no end is ridiculous, especially since Humans got the brunt of the assault.

Watching the destruction of your entire culture and species and getting upset is whining? 
Righto.

It came off that way. It's one thing to get upset at what is happening, it's another to become so emotionally compromised that you become almost useless to the squad. Instead of rising up to occassion like she should have as a character they wrote her like a helpless child.

[RangerSG]

N0rke wrote...

von uber wrote...

N0rke wrote...

I think the worst written thing for me in ME3 wasn't a scene, but Liara's reaction to Thessia. The amount of whining she did was unbelievable. I get being taken back by your world's destruction, but whining about to no end is ridiculous, especially since Humans got the brunt of the assault.

Watching the destruction of your entire culture and species and getting upset is whining? 
Righto.

It came off that way. It's one thing to get upset at what is happening, it's another to become so emotionally compromised that you become almost useless to the squad. Instead of rising up to occassion like she should have as a character they wrote her like a helpless child.

Well, originally there was a chance for her to commit suicide. I personally find it believable, given what she saw, and the guilt she felt for promising to end it, only to fail. 

And she does rise up, at least enough to begin helping the refugees. I'm not that into Liara. Did the romance once to see the obviously intended canon playthrough. But I could definitely sympathize with that.

I found it more dubious to see how 'stoic' others (including Shepard) took watching their worlds get wasted. 

[DeinonSlayer]

StreetMagic wrote...

Maybe I'm a bit unfair. It seems like they try to reuse scenes more often in general. Other characters don't make much sense outside romance either. Meeting Miranda in the Casino in Citadel or just the general mood of meeting her in the apartment. This works so much better as a romance. Otherwise, it's kind of weird. Or Tali's singing in Citadel. I think they handled Jack and Garrus better. They work great on a romance level, and are equally believable on a "partners in crime" kind of level.

Traynor takes the prize for most awkward non-romantic encounter. Hands-down.

[Invisible Man]

I always figured a non-romanced liara as a friend who wanted to be a friend+ but didn't want to get in the way. though I find there is something about liara that I just have trouble saying no to.

and on the post abut all the team members in the squad being on the shuttle. that whole scene seemed a tad wrong... as I can't think of an actual mission I had to do (especially one that required the whole team), as I think I had done most everything on the map before that point. honestly the entire idea was kind of moronic imho.

[grey_wind]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Yes, this is a huge issue in the writing. You are pushed along the lines of believing everything offered by Legion and that reaper code in them is a good thing, etc etc when it is highly likely legion could have somehow manufactured all that information. I no longer take legion's word on faith simply because the game leads me too that. I now choose the quarians over the geth then watch legion try to kill me which proves to me the geth shouldn't have been saved if it means sacraficing the quarians.

Legion is almost a completely different character in ME3.

Beyond the name, he pretty much is a different character. And they could have kept all the same basic plot points without changing too much about the arc too: you could have had a conversation with Legion where he talks about how the Geth came to the conclusion that sometimes using another's technology might be justifiable, and the Reaper Code could have been written in such a way that it didn't strip the Geth of everything that made them so unique as a species.

Modifié par grey_wind, 22 février 2014 - 06:10 .

[Invisible Man]

grey_wind wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

Yes, this is a huge issue in the writing. You are pushed along the lines of believing everything offered by Legion and that reaper code in them is a good thing, etc etc when it is highly likely legion could have somehow manufactured all that information. I no longer take legion's word on faith simply because the game leads me too that. I now choose the quarians over the geth then watch legion try to kill me which proves to me the geth shouldn't have been saved if it means sacraficing the quarians.

Legion is almost a completely different character in ME3.

Beyond the name, he pretty much is a different character. And they could have kept all the same basic plot points without changing too much about the arc too: you could have had a conversation with Legion where he talks about how the Geth came to the conclusion that soemtimes using another's technology might be justifiable, and the Reaper Code could have been written in such a way that it didn't strip the Geth of everything that made them so unique as a species.

perhaps, but I still have trouble buying the possibility of the reaper code upgrade being safe. I keep thinking about the reaper iff, even edi didn't catch that reaper virus, until after it shutdown the Normandy, I think even if the geth went over it with a toothbrush it's still a risk to let legion upload it into the geth, if not a virus, it might have a back door in it, or something worse.

Modifié par Invisible Man, 22 février 2014 - 06:04 .

[grey_wind]

StreetMagic wrote...

Legion is just another thing to chalk up that was lost from ME2. It's like they intentionally wanted people to forget details from that game. The viewpoint of the Geth, the Collector Base (or hell, just Collectors and Harbinger, period), the whole ME2 squad in general.

I've joked about it before, but there's not much to lose out on if you just jump from ME1 to ME3 (with all the ME2 squaddies dead) and completely ignore ME2. It's almost like they go out of their way to sweep any developments made in ME2 under the rug.