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[SwobyJ]

Shoot, if only that control chip was a real thing...

[Iakus]

[quote]congokong wrote...

The countermeasure could never be used on a whole colony. [/quote]

But it could be used on people defending colonies [/quote]

[/quote]Yes, the VS could trust Shepard but they don't. That's a personality trait. Not a plothole.

[/quote]

The same VS who trusted Sehpard enough to help steal a prototype stealth frigate from both the ALliance and the Council two years earlier?

And of course, Garrus, who admits to seeing things in black and white and "has a hard time with gray" has no problem overlooking this whole Cerberus thing?

[Iakus]

StreetMagic wrote...

Everything about Lazarus, and everything connected to it, is stupid.

Oh, yes.  Before the Catalyst, that hurt my brain more than just about anything else in the game.

Also, agree with Reaper Kong being stupid.

Also "Ah, yes, 'Reapers'"  Especially funny if you see it shortly after ME1 when the Council personally thanks Shepard for saving from from "Saren and the Reapers" 

[eyezonlyii]

SwobyJ wrote...

It's not supposed to be addressed...

Gonna adjust my tin foil hat some more, sorry ImaginaryMatter.

Are you insinuating that ME2 and 3 are taking place in the time spent while Shepad is dying and thus never actually happened? O.o 

[IoCaster]

congokong wrote...
Most aren't fans of the Horizon treatment but it doesn't have many plotholes.

The meeting/confrontation with the VS is the plot hole. We are told by TIM (the writers) that the Collectors were lured to Horizon by the presence of the VS. Now it's been a while since I played the game, but I seem to remember that the VS was frozen in place not far from where Lilith(?) fell and got collected. There is a cutscene that shows 'Harbinger' standing nearby while she's being placed into a pod. Why did they not abduct the VS since he/she is so conveniently close by and we're told that it's the reason they chose to attack Horizon?

[congokong]

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]congokong wrote...

The countermeasure could never be used on a whole colony. [/quote]

[quote]But it could be used on people defending colonies [/quote]

Even if it could, do you really think in the heat of that situation Shepard would just hand the VS over a countermeasure and then the VS would totally be ok with everything? If I was Shepard it wouldn't even cross my mind and it didn't for Shepard.

[/quote]Yes, the VS could trust Shepard but they don't. That's a personality trait. Not a plothole.

[/quote]
[quote]
The same VS who trusted Sehpard enough to help steal a prototype stealth frigate from both the ALliance and the Council two years earlier?

And of course, Garrus, who admits to seeing things in black and white and "has a hard time with gray" has no problem overlooking this whole Cerberus thing?
[/quote]

Yes, the same VS. They were there through the whole journey. They knew stealing the SR1 was necessary. Plus Shepard was Alliance. The Horizon situation is so much different. Don't even compare them.

When did Garrus ever say he saw things in black and white and had a hard time with gray?

Modifié par congokong, 04 février 2014 - 10:46 .

[SwobyJ]

eyezonlyii wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

It's not supposed to be addressed...

Gonna adjust my tin foil hat some more, sorry ImaginaryMatter.

Are you insinuating that ME2 and 3 are taking place in the time spent while Shepad is dying and thus never actually happened? O.o 

Nah..

BRB I need to grab a drink at the Purgatory bar.

Damn, Zakera Ward was almost completely destroyed? Why am I always the last to be told?


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[pattywagon]

I know it has been said before, but the ending of ME3. Even with the extended cut, the conversation and how it was setup wasn't good. The conversation beforehand with the Illusive Man was good in my view, but then talking to the kid while he basically says, "yes, you bought peace between the Geth and Quarians, but it won't last." Ok, and is that the reason our cycle needs to end?

If anything I think a better argument would be made how eventually an organic civilization gets a point they start causing more harm to the universe. For example, the Krogan depleted and destroyed several worlds, the space faring races destroyed the Rachni, then they were in the process of eliminating the Krogan slowly, the Drell destroyed their own world, the Quairans losing their world to the geth, and etc. Instead it was this motion that organics eventually create machines, and the Reapers were created to stop it from happening? It was a very weak argument and point, and it would have been better if they were somehow portrayed as a balance from letting one species or cycle going too long when they start destroying other forms of life and planets throughout the galaxy.

Also I believe the indoctrination theory, unless they have disaprove that. The setup, noises, color sheme just feels off like he was trying to be indoctrinated, and the intellgence is Harbinger disguised.

[SwobyJ]

Sure it's Harbinger?

[Orikon]

Pre-EC convo with the Catalyst. Even with the EC,it could use an edit in a few parts.

[congokong]

pattywagon wrote...

I know it has been said before, but the ending of ME3. Even with the extended cut, the conversation and how it was setup wasn't good. The conversation beforehand with the Illusive Man was good in my view, but then talking to the kid while he basically says, "yes, you bought peace between the Geth and Quarians, but it won't last." Ok, and is that the reason our cycle needs to end?

If anything I think a better argument would be made how eventually an organic civilization gets a point they start causing more harm to the universe. For example, the Krogan depleted and destroyed several worlds, the space faring races destroyed the Rachni, then they were in the process of eliminating the Krogan slowly, the Drell destroyed their own world, the Quairans losing their world to the geth, and etc. Instead it was this motion that organics eventually create machines, and the Reapers were created to stop it from happening? It was a very weak argument and point, and it would have been better if they were somehow portrayed as a balance from letting one species or cycle going too long when they start destroying other forms of life and planets throughout the galaxy.

Also I believe the indoctrination theory, unless they have disaprove that. The setup, noises, color sheme just feels off like he was trying to be indoctrinated, and the intellgence is Harbinger disguised.

I don't get how so many people think the catalyst scenario is such bad writing. It actually gives an explanation into the reapers' motivations. I even made a topic about this.

http://social.biowar...17774888-1.html

Instead of challenging if the reapers are right in their actions based on the catalyst's premise almost everyone tried challenging the premise instead.

[Iakus]

congokong wrote...

Even if it could, do you really think in the heat of that situation Shepard would just hand the VS over a countermeasure and then the VS would totally be ok with everything? If I was Shepard it wouldn't even cross my mind and it didn't for Shepard.

Yes.  Absolutely.  The first thing I thought after I saw the conversation going so sideways was "Why isnt'Shepard spilling his guts about everything that's happened since waking up in the Cerberus lab?"  Why isn't Shepard sharing information?  It would help safeguard human colonies, and if things go badly, then someone else besides teh Illusive Man would know what the frack is going on.

Yes, the same VS. They were there through the whole journey. They knew stealing the SR1 was necessary. Plus Shepard was Alliance. The Horizon situation is so much different. Don't even compare them.

Yeah, stealing the SR1 was far more serious.

The VS saw Shepard committing treason once before, even helped with it.  They saw what kind of situation it would take to force Shepard's hand like that.  And it never occured to them that something equally dire might be happening now?

When did Garrus ever say he saw things in black and white and had a hard time with gray?

His loyalty mission

Modifié par iakus, 04 février 2014 - 10:59 .

[SwobyJ]

StreetMagic wrote...

congokong wrote...
When did Garrus ever say he saw things in black and white and had a hard time with gray?

In his loyalty mission. If you let Sidonis go at least.

Sidenote: Looking forward to BSN deal with actually big moral greys in future games. It'll be hilarious.

[Ryuji2]

StreetMagic wrote...

congokong wrote...
When did Garrus ever say he saw things in black and white and had a hard time with gray?

In his loyalty mission. If you let Sidonis go at least.

http://www.youtube.c...2ausUA4#t=5m16s

[WaffleVoyager]

Everything before the first Citadel visit and everything after the Thessia landing in ME3. I've since wiped off the "Extended Cut" feature and inserted my own fanon into the ending. Makes things bearable.

For non-Bioware writing the extra dialogue in that Mass Effect "happy ending mod" is pretty terrible. It's not because its sappy either, it's had almost zero thought put into it. If you can modify the game that much just have Shepard collapse in front of the controls and fade to the beam firing. Nothing else needs to change.

Modifié par WaffleVoyager, 04 février 2014 - 11:00 .

[Iakus]

SwobyJ wrote...

Sidenote: Looking forward to BSN deal with actually big moral greys in future games. It'll be hilarious.

Not really.  It'll just mean more RGB outcomes, most likely

[SwobyJ]

iakus wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Sidenote: Looking forward to BSN deal with actually big moral greys in future games. It'll be hilarious.

Not really.  It'll just mean more RGB outcomes, most likely

Just the first RBG outcomes already turned this forum into a cesspool for a while .

[Endurium]

Anything Reaper or Catalyst oriented; too obviously written by humans - a problem with humans writing superior beings who exist on higher planes of thought and understanding. That and the "we bring order to the galaxy" despite nothing but galaxy-wide chaos existing from the time the reapers show up until they leave. I just can't take them seriously.

Anything having to do with Kai Lame, who might as well simply be a block mesh with a texture reading "Scripted to Win" rendered on all sides.

Another thing I noted in my recent session was how my companions constantly pointed out the obvious. Hallway caves in: "We need to find another way". Enemies appear in front of me "Enemies sighted!", and so on. Seriously, Bioware, I can think for myself.

I enjoy playing through the series for the most part (and the epic space battles in ME3), but some of the writing is just laughable/cringeworthy.

[CroGamer002]

Nyreen's suicide.

Off all the damn stupid ME3 has, this one is takes number 1 spot.

I mean, what the hell?! Why?! What would she do that?! Support was just seconds away! Absolutely pointless and incredibly stupid! No thought was put into writing that scene.

[congokong]

iakus wrote...

congokong wrote...

Even if it could, do you really think in the heat of that situation Shepard would just hand the VS over a countermeasure and then the VS would totally be ok with everything? If I was Shepard it wouldn't even cross my mind and it didn't for Shepard.

Yes.  Absolutely.  The first thing I thought after I saw the conversation going so sideways was "Why isnt'Shepard spilling his guts about everything that's happened since waking up in the Cerberus lab?"  Why isn't Shepard sharing information?  It would help safeguard human colonies, and if things go badly, then someone else besides teh Illusive Man would know what the frack is going on.

Yes, the same VS. They were there through the whole journey. They knew stealing the SR1 was necessary. Plus Shepard was Alliance. The Horizon situation is so much different. Don't even compare them.

Yeah, stealing the SR1 was far more serious.

The VS saw Shepard committing treason once before, even helped with it.  They saw what kind of situation it would take to force Shepard's hand like that.  And it never occured to them that something equally dire might be happening now?

When did Garrus ever say he saw things in black and white and had a hard time with gray?

His loyalty mission

I'm sorry. I always killed Sidonis so I never saw this.

You can't say "well the VS was ok with this so they must be ok with that" in comparing stealing the SR1 to Shepard coming back from the dead and working with Cerberus.

Shepard did explain the situation to the VS well. Shepard may not have put all his/her resources on the table and gave a timeline of events but considering the heated discussion I'm not surprised. Nothing about their conversation felt unreal to me considering the VS's pro-alliance, anti-Cerberus partriotic attitude.

I reiterate, the situation with the VS is not a plothole. There's nothing that doesn't make sense about it. It's subjective on if you believe they should have acted differently but you can't truly state the VS should have been ok with everything.

[Ryuji2]

Mesina2 wrote...

Nyreen's suicide.

Off all the damn stupid ME3 has, this one is takes number 1 spot.

I mean, what the hell?! Why?! What would she do that?! Support was just seconds away! Absolutely pointless and incredibly stupid! No thought was put into writing that scene.

:| I had forgotten about that. It really was stupid. Unnecessary sacrifice.