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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Show up in a Cerberus armor for bonus points

 

 

 

I did. I showed up in Cerberus Inferno Armor. I was with Garrus and Liara, but still had that feeling... I'm here in Cerberus Armor trying to tell this person I'm not with Cerberus. Will they believe me? Where is my credibility? Udina: "Shepard's with Cerberus!"

 

I'm wearing Cerberus armor. Ashley is going to buy it that I'm with the Alliance. "No, really Ashley. Cerberus Armor is better. That's the only reason. Alliance armor sucks. You've got to believe me!" .... I don't think that would work. Reality sets in.

 

*shoots Ashley*

[CrutchCricket]

Cerberus Armor is better. That's the only reason.

 

And there are no spray paint cans in space...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Hmm. I wonder what I'd do in the story since my Shepard legitimately wants to be with Cerberus, and wants to work with TIM. 

 

I'm more than willing to kill the VS on the Citadel. They're being stupid. They're an obstacle. They need to be dealt with.

[KaiserShep]

The Illusive Man's strict adherence to his namesake makes it hard to actually work with him, especially since he eventually does some pretty stupid things against the advice of any sensible person.

 

TIM: Gonna stick some reaper tech in my head lol.

 

Cerberus scientist: Um...I don't think that's a good idea.

 

TIM: Your face isn't a good idea. Now set up the procedure or I'll replace you with another Eva mech.

 

Cerberus scientist: Ugh....dick.

 

TIM: Come again?

Cerberus scientist: Nothing.
 

[CrutchCricket]

I'm more than willing to kill the VS on the Citadel. They're being stupid. They're an obstacle. They need to be dealt with.

 

Cerberus is being stupid. They're an obstacle. They need to be dealt with.

 

And so they are.

 

If we're being fair and applying the same standards across the board, the VS may be dumb but they're only a minor nuisance. Some bitching and maybe a delay that can barely be classed as "a breather". Cerberus on the other hand makes it a habit to get in my way at the worst possible times. They gots to go.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

I'm more than willing to shoot Miranda when I find out about the bugs on the Normandy. Or kick her off the ship at the very least. 

 

Jacob can stay. I wouldn't want to hurt the crew's morale just after I raised it up so much. 

[Iakus]

Cerberus is being stupid. They're an obstacle. They need to be dealt with.

 

And so they are.

 

If we're being fair and applying the same standards across the board, the VS may be dumb but they're only a minor nuisance. Some bitching and maybe a delay that can barely be classed as "a breather". Cerberus on the other hand makes it a habit to get in my way at the worst possible times. They gots to go.

 

Not to mention the VS can be talked down as long as you're not an absolute tool to them.  Even if you hate them, why waste a resource?

 

Can't really hug things out with Cerberus troopers.

[KaiserShep]

I don't suppose it's really fair to pin the blame on Miranda for the bugs on the Normandy. While she would no doubt approve of the oversight the Illusive Man has on the ship's inner workings, they were probably not her doing unless it can be determined that she was in charge of the Normandy SR2's construction as well as Project Lazarus.

 

In the end, none of that really matters. Whether Miranda knew it or not, until the Cerberus shackles were lifted from EDI, the Normandy was always within TIM's grasp with that remote access protocol.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

I don't suppose it's really fair to pin the blame on Miranda for the bugs on the Normandy. While she would no doubt approve of the oversight the Illusive Man has on the ship's inner workings, they were probably not her doing unless it can be determined that she was in charge of the Normandy SR2's construction as well as Project Lazarus.

She was in charge of Project Lazarus. IIRC, Normandy was part of Project Lazarus. 

To be fair, I'd kick the entire Cerberus crew outside of Jacob, and Gabby and Donnelly off the ship. Miranda would just be the one flooting in vaccuum with a microscopic shard of tungsten somewhere in her skull. 

[themikefest]

She was in charge of Project Lazarus. IIRC, Normandy was part of Project Lazarus. 

 

Didn't Jacob or Miranda mention that Project Lazarus was about Shepard? I don't see how the Normandy would have anything to do with the project.

[KaiserShep]

As far as we know, the Normandy's connection to the Lazarus cell is based on the fact that Shepard commands the ship. We have no information as to whether or not Miranda has any say in any aspect of the ship's design, let alone whether or not the SR2 would be equipped with surveillance equipment feeding back to the Illusive Man. Even Kelly Chambers is under orders from the Illusive Man to feed back information that the bugs can't get for him.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Didn't Jacob or Miranda mention that Project Lazarus was about Shepard? I don't see how the Normandy would have anything to do with the project.

Technically, it's the headquarters of the "Lazarus Cell." 

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

As far as we know, the Normandy's connection to the Lazarus cell is based on the fact that Shepard commands the ship. We have no information as to whether or not Miranda has any say in any aspect of the ship's design, let alone whether or not the SR2 would be equipped with surveillance equipment feeding back to the Illusive Man. Even Kelly Chambers is under orders from the Illusive Man to feed back information that the bugs can't get for him.

A problem easily solved by turning the whole crew, outside of the three I mentioned, into Council/C-Sec custody.

My problem is that we were forced to work with Cerberus. For really no reason. Really, the whole main plot of ME2 has no effect on anything.  

[KaiserShep]

What we learn from EDI, should we talk to her after being unshackled, it's determined that the Illusive Man personally oversees each individual cell, and that cells always remain small in number so that he can do this effectively. It doesn't matter what Miranda wants at that point, because in order to keep tabs on a mobile, stealth-enabled base of operations, he'd need to have surveillance equipment on board.

 

A problem easily solved by turning the whole crew, outside of the three I mentioned, into Council/C-Sec custody.

My problem is that we were forced to work with Cerberus. For really no reason. Really, the whole main plot of ME2 has no effect on anything.  

 

I don't like being forced to align with Cerberus either, and frankly having the option to quickly leave them would have been preferable for me as well. Unfortunately, the game sets this all up in such a way that doing so is an instant fail state for the rest of the story, because EDI would be forced to recall the ship, and Shepard would be stuck with an ineffectual bunch of politicians while the Collectors tear ass across the Terminus.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

What we learn from EDI, should we talk to her after being unshackled, it's determined that the Illusive Man personally oversees each individual cell, and that cells always remain small in number so that he can do this effectively. It doesn't matter what Miranda wants at that point, because in order to keep tabs on a mobile, stealth-enabled base of operations, he'd need to have surveillance equipment on board.

So you arrest the Cerberus crew and turn them in to Council custody. Then we have Mordin do a ship wide sweep. Problem solved. 

I speak in hyperbole when talking about killing Miranda. But it would be nice to arrest her. 

[XXIceColdXX]

I thought pretty much anything to do with Kei Leng in game was poorly written.

 

He was written ok in the novel Retribution, But Deception made him the butt of ME jokes.

 

To be honest it's hard to take Kai Lang cereasly......

[SporkFu]

What we learn from EDI, should we talk to her after being unshackled, it's determined that the Illusive Man personally oversees each individual cell, and that cells always remain small in number so that he can do this effectively. It doesn't matter what Miranda wants at that point, because in order to keep tabs on a mobile, stealth-enabled base of operations, he'd need to have surveillance equipment on board.

 

 

I don't like being forced to align with Cerberus either, and frankly having the option to quickly leave them would have been preferable for me as well. Unfortunately, the game sets this all up in such a way that doing so is an instant fail state for the rest of the story, because EDI would be forced to recall the ship, and Shepard would be stuck with an ineffectual bunch of politicians while the Collectors tear ass across the Terminus.

That's why TIM should have been the shadow broker instead. Spectres have a history of working with the shadow broker.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Cerberus is being stupid. They're an obstacle. They need to be dealt with.

 

And so they are.

 

If we're being fair and applying the same standards across the board, the VS may be dumb but they're only a minor nuisance. Some bitching and maybe a delay that can barely be classed as "a breather". Cerberus on the other hand makes it a habit to get in my way at the worst possible times. They gots to go.

 

In ME3, yes, I'd agree with you. That said, I'd also say that the VS does the same. No different to me. Not really a minor delay, since they're getting in my way at a critical moment on the Citadel as well. 

 

Still, even in ME3, they're doing some very inspired things. I really wish we had the ability to keep Sanctuary going for example. As I've said, if TIM wasn't so careless and reckless with his Reaper tech, he would've been my greatest ally in ME3.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

ME1 - The final battle. The Destiny Ascension with a main gun that has more firepower than the rest of the Asari Fleet combined - according to our expert Joker which means the main gun > 19 dreadnoughts - never fired a single shot during the battle. One would think it would have been kicking ass against the Geth, and then dispatched Sovereign with its main gun. But that would have deprived Commander Shepard of the major victory, and the Normandy of making that amazing shot with its pea shooter that blew right through that Reaper. Damn that must have made Joker c***y.

[KaiserShep]

In ME3, yes, I'd agree with you. That said, I'd also say that the VS does the same. No different to me. Not really a minor delay, since they're getting in my way at a critical moment on the Citadel as well. 

 

Still, even in ME3, they're doing some very inspired things. I really wish we had the ability to keep Sanctuary going for example. As I've said, if TIM wasn't so careless and reckless with his Reaper tech, he would've been my greatest ally in ME3.

 

Cerberus' actions on Mars precluded any chances of working with them anyway, because instead of doing the sensible thing and sharing the data, he decided it was better to keep it for himself and leave everyone else in the dark. No matter how much he thinks it would be preferable to control the reapers, it's always a possibility that destroying them might be the only option should other considerations be out of reach, and your chances of success in at least neutralizing the reaper threat are that much greater if more than one party is participating. But, indoctrination is a hell of a drug.

[von uber]

Inspired things like summary execution of alliance soldiers?

[KaiserShep]

Inspired things like summary execution of alliance soldiers?

 

And then there's that. Cerberus had already successfully infiltrated the base with Eva. She could have worked her way toward the archives, uploaded the data and made a break for it. Even if it alerted the entire station, the mech is ultimately expendable, and TIM would have the data anyway. Had he simply copied it rather than had it destroyed afterward, it would serve as an annoyance, but it wouldn't really give much reason to hunt after them during a reaper invasion either, especially if the people in the facility were spared.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

And then there's that. Cerberus had already successfully infiltrated the base with Eva. She could have worked her way toward the archives, uploaded the data and made a break for it. Even if it alerted the entire station, the mech is ultimately expendable, and TIM would have the data anyway. Had he simply copied it rather than had it destroyed afterward, it would serve as an annoyance, but it wouldn't really give much reason to hunt after them during a reaper invasion either, especially if the people in the facility were spared.

 

I don't think Eva could do that. I think she needed the base to be completely secured. I honestly don't have a problem with it beyond the fact that Cerberus was killing potentially useful researchers that could have been taken and used to work out more issues. Otherwise, I don't have a problem with almost any of Cerberus' actions on a moral or ethical scale. If innocents have to die to make my goal a reality, then they die. If my goals met, I'm fine. No problem.

 

I wish they weren't indoctrinated. I'm pissed that they were so reckless with the technology. That's why I destroyed the base. I was certain that no one was going to be able to control the technology, and that they'd be too reckless with it. I don't have an issue with studying Reaper tech, so long as precautionary measures are taken.

[KaiserShep]

Since body count is not an issue here, there's still the little problem of the attempt to not only take a copy of the data, but destroy the original as well. If it was successful, Shepard's mission would have stopped cold right there, and the reapers would have won. That alone made it impossible to work with them.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Since body count is not an issue here, there's still the little problem of the attempt to not only take a copy of the data, but destroy the original as well. If it was successful, Shepard's mission would have stopped cold right there, and the reapers would have won. That alone made it impossible to work with them.

 

I know. Indoctrination sucks. I doubt a Cerberus that wasn't indoctrinated would do that. And if they did (and weren't indoctrinated), I'd probably be the one destroying the data. Can't let the Reapers have a chance to get any more sources of this information. One copy is too many, and still too much of a threat, but we need it to build the Crucible.