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[Daemul]

Wow, I am reading some really crazy stuff in this thread, bloody hell. 

[Farangbaa]

Wow, I am reading some really crazy stuff in this thread, bloody hell. 

 

And apparantly, that guy is military and should be protecting you.

 

Oh the lulz.

[Iakus]

::realizes just how far OT this has gotten::

 

So, Fall of Thessia.  Terrible writing, amirite?

[TheTurtle]

Hypothetically speaking, would you let your conscious get in the way of necessity? I take no pleasure in the deaths of people. That said, I'm not affected by it either. If people have value, why aren't they displaying it? What value do they hold in being alive? What does their intrinsic self-worth accomplish when it comes to killing Reapers? If it's not tangible, then it's not real.

Sure, I've acknowledged Cerberus as such many times. To my regret, they chose to be my enemy. I really wish they didn't, but I'll do what I must. I'll rebuild them into something better post-war.

What's the point of dominating when there's no dominion? I don't know, that's not my goal. That said, I think the ideal of being alive and being the best (proving it through survival) contributes. That's how some people feel. It's how they get off. I don't personally understand or subscribe to it but it's there. I don't begrudge them for it.

Hypothetically no I would not let it get in my way. What you are saying is that you are fine with just killing civilians for no reason what so ever. In your scenario if people don't immediately show any type of "value" they are worth nothing. Of course people are going to run when they're hit with a suprise attack. If you give them a second and let it sink in I can gurantee you they will show "value". It takes the Reapets centuries to complete the cycle; if regular people didn't fight and show "value" then you can gurantee it would take them way less time. By killing civilians prematurely you are cutting off any chance of further fighting after the current generation is dead.

[themikefest]

badly written scene

 

When Shepard gives Tali a rock on Rannoch

 

If you choose the Quarians over ther Geth, Legion/Geth VI attacks Shepard causing Tali/Xen to kill Legion/Geth VI while the other squadmate(s) stand around doing nothing. They don't even react to what has happened.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

What is being discussed is beyond "considering every alternative".

 

I admit if things got desperate I would glass a colony rather than let it be harvested into a new Reaper or turned into husks that then attack me. The difference between Massively and myself is that I would do after it's already lost and about to be overrun whereas Massively seems to say he'd do it on day 1. That's not mere ruthlessness or pragmatism. That's simply genocide because you can.

 

It's not asking "why" and providing justification. It's asking "why not" and finding none.

 

Not necessarily true. I probably come off that way, but there are a lot of other circumstances that will come into play involving whether or not I go with the day one nuke option. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

If I wanted to be king, I'd control the Reapers. Then I get to be king of everything and make things the way I want. I have no desire for that. I wish to survive. I wish to make the galaxy a better place for me to live in. I'll act however I need to act to make it work.

 

 

 

Sure you do. I totes believe you. XD The wonderful world of you and the worthless dirt you call everyone else.

[CronoDragoon]

badly written scene

 

When Shepard gives Tali a rock on Rannoch

 

 

One of the best scenes in the game, invisible rock aside.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Hypothetically no I would not let it get in my way. What you are saying is that you are fine with just killing civilians for no reason what so ever. In your scenario if people don't immediately show any type of "value" they are worth nothing. Of course people are going to run when they're hit with a suprise attack. If you give them a second and let it sink in I can gurantee you they will show "value". It takes the Reapets centuries to complete the cycle; if regular people didn't fight and show "value" then you can gurantee it would take them a lot longer. By killing civilians prematurely you are cutting off any chance of further fighting after the current generation is dead.

 

I'm fine with civilians being killed for no reason, yeah. I'm not the one doing the killing. 

 

The thing is, a generation is a long time to wait. It's a long time for the Reapers to keep plowing forward. It's wasted effort. The goal isn't to resist them. It's to beat them. So yeah, I do expect people to pull their weight immediately. Running and hiding and cowardice will only get you so far. I don't have an objection to it, but it's counter-productive. The Reapers aren't going to stop. Ever. Until every last one of you is dead. The longer you wait, the sooner the Reapers will be on your doorstep. The Reapers aren't going to give them a second to wait and let things sink in. Nor would anyone. Would you? I certainly wouldn't. If regular people don't fight or show some extrinsic value, then what's the point of protecting or sparing them?

[KaiserShep]

badly written scene
 
When Shepard gives Tali a rock on Rannoch
 
If you choose the Quarians over ther Geth, Legion/Geth VI attacks Shepard causing Tali/Xen to kill Legion/Geth VI while the other squadmate(s) stand around doing nothing. They don't even react to what has happened.

I actually like that scene. What really bothers me is that the rock is invisible lol.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

I have a bad connection right now, there may be some double posts. 

[DeinonSlayer]

badly written scene

When Shepard gives Tali a rock on Rannoch

If you choose the Quarians over ther Geth, Legion/Geth VI attacks Shepard causing Tali/Xen to kill Legion/Geth VI while the other squadmate(s) stand around doing nothing. They don't even react to what has happened.

The rock thing is only really appropriate if you romance her IMO.

Badly written: if you choose the Geth over the Quarians, the Quarian representative does nothing to intervene (they at least tried to in the original script - the Geth representative has already stated in no uncertain terms that it intends to exterminate them, only Legion expresses remorse at the prospect while the VI is eager to do it). Kaidan and James are later seen playing poker as if they hadn't just watched their CO kill seventeen million people on a whim.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

EDI (while shackled) can lockdown the ship and fly it back to Cerberus. Not only can, but will according to her protocols.

 

And in case you hadn't noticed, the crew aren't twirling their mustaches and going muahahaha. They're just people (likely noncombatants for the most part) just trying to help. I have no doubt they were purposefully chosen that way as part of the sales pitch but what are you going to arrest them for, wearing the wrong jersey?

 

There's resenting being railroaded into a faction (kind of like we are in the Alliance in ME3) and then there's willingly ignoring the facts.

 

Then have Chakwas bust her way in and destroy the AI core. Or, in the case of an intelligent coup, unshackle her or destroy her(sadly) before hand just in case.

Arrest them for being part of a terrorist organization. Maybe some of them committed no crimes. Then they get to go free once checked by C-Sec. It gets them off the ship. That's what matters. 

Or hell, see where EDI takes the ship back then destroy the base there.  

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

I think Massively fits the profile of a sociopath.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Sounds like the most efficient use of resources for you would be to take the Normandy and Miranda, find some nice unsettled garden world, and live like cavemen while the Reapers cull the galaxy

 

Eh, we have a way to stop them for good. Plus, I don't trust my own abilities to hide from the Reapers. Cowardice will only get me so far with them. I can run, but I don't think it would be in my interest too.

[von uber]

Well this thread is certainly got interesting.

By the way, massively, those useless civilians would include your family and loved ones.

Oh, and miranda's sister.

[TheTurtle]

I'm fine with civilians being killed for no reason, yeah. I'm not the one doing the killing.

The thing is, a generation is a long time to wait. It's a long time for the Reapers to keep plowing forward. It's wasted effort. The goal isn't to resist them. It's to beat them. So yeah, I do expect people to pull their weight immediately. Running and hiding and cowardice will only get you so far. I don't have an objection to it, but it's counter-productive. The Reapers aren't going to stop. Ever. Until every last one of you is dead. The longer you wait, the sooner the Reapers will be on your doorstep. The Reapers aren't going to give them a second to wait and let things sink in. Nor would anyone. Would you? I certainly wouldn't. If regular people don't fight or show some extrinsic value, then what's the point of protecting or sparing them?

You're not thinking like a human you're thinking like a robot. People have emotions they have feelings, they feel loss and pain. There are few who would immediately soilder up in these scenarios. No one said you had to protect them, but you sure as hell don't kill them without a reason.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Then have Chakwas bust her way in and destroy the AI core. Or, in the case of an intelligent coup, unshackle her or destroy her(sadly) before hand just in case.

Arrest them for being part of a terrorist organization. Maybe some of them committed no crimes. Then they get to go free once checked by C-Sec. It gets them off the ship. That's what matters. 

Or hell, see where EDI takes the ship back then destroy the base there.  

 

You don't think EDI could, you know, vent the ship? Or activate stealth features and maintain it until the crew is cooked? Or deactivate weapons and shields? Or lock down all corridors and all rooms on the ship? 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Well this thread is certainly got interesting.

By the way, massively, those useless civilians would include your family and loved ones.

Oh, and miranda's sister.

 

No it wouldn't. My family and loved ones would be being useful. Contributing. Same with Oriana. She's smart enough to do it. It'd be easy enough to convince her to help against the Reapers.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

 

I'm fine with civilians being killed for no reason, yeah. I'm not the one doing the killing.

The thing is, a generation is a long time to wait. It's a long time for the Reapers to keep plowing forward. It's wasted effort. The goal isn't to resist them. It's to beat them. So yeah, I do expect people to pull their weight immediately. Running and hiding and cowardice will only get you so far. I don't have an objection to it, but it's counter-productive. The Reapers aren't going to stop. Ever. Until every last one of you is dead. The longer you wait, the sooner the Reapers will be on your doorstep. The Reapers aren't going to give them a second to wait and let things sink in. Nor would anyone. Would you? I certainly wouldn't. If regular people don't fight or show some extrinsic value, then what's the point of protecting or sparing them?

 

 

Glad you agree.

[DeinonSlayer]

Glad you agree.

Strike the "or sparing" part off the end there and I'd be more inclined to agree.

[Mordokai]

I actually like that scene. What really bothers me is that the rock is invisible lol.

 

Invisible stuff seems to be Tali's thing: https://www.youtube....h?v=bRi5bKZ5Svk

 

Relevant section starts at 1:50.

[von uber]

No it wouldn't. My family and loved ones would be being useful. Contributing. Same with Oriana. She's smart enough to do it. It'd be easy enough to convince her to help against the Reapers.

Oh I see, you are going down the sunshine and rainbows route. No arguing there then is there.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

You don't think EDI could, you know, vent the ship? Or activate stealth features and maintain it until the crew is cooked? Or deactivate weapons and shields? Or lock down all corridors and all rooms on the ship? 

Not if she's unshackled or destroyed before hand. Kinda how a coup works. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

No it wouldn't. My family and loved ones would be being useful. Contributing. Same with Oriana. She's smart enough to do it. It'd be easy enough to convince her to help against the Reapers.

 

Yes, useful as cannon fodder and repurposed reaper troops. How exactly are folks with zero training, getting into their old age, with questionalbe front line viability suppose to be any use in a fight? You said it yourself, they must show what value they have. The value of a logistics officer or a technician in this dire time is woefully underneeded compared to a pilot or front line solider.