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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Boy, is that the truth.

 

My name's Bob. Not David.

 

That's a funny way to spell David.

[bfoore]

Alot of the writing in Mass Effect 3 is rather underwhelming to put it lightly, the Horizon encounter with Ash/Kaidan is the shittiest excuse for writing in Mass Effect 2.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Alot of the writing in Mass Effect 3 is rather underwhelming to put it lightly, the Horizon encounter with Ash/Kaidan is the shittiest excuse for writing in Mass Effect 2.

 

How?

[SporkFu]

Not only did the VS over-react, but shep's responses during the whole conversation were horrible. I dunno how I would have done it differently, but shep could have done a little better job of explaining her side of things, why she's doing what she's doing, and the VS could have been a little more accepting... and they could have been on friendly terms, like shep and Liara, or shep and Tali, or shep and Garrus, or shep and Wrex, uhhh if you played it friendly, that is. If you didn't well then it's fine as is, heh. 

[CptFalconPunch]

Huh, everything regarding the main story in ME2. Lazarus/cerberus/ollectors/horizon/collector ship/ suicide mission etc.

 

In ME3 is the ending obviously.

 

In me1, uhm I don't really know, nothing is too bad like in the others.

[wolfhowwl]

Not only did the VS over-react, but shep's responses during the whole conversation were horrible. I dunno how I would have done it differently, but shep could have done a little better job of explaining her side of things, why she's doing what she's doing, and the VS could have been a little more accepting... and they could have been on friendly terms, like shep and Liara, or shep and Tali, or shep and Garrus, or shep and Wrex, uhhh if you played it friendly, that is. If you didn't well then it's fine as is, heh.

 

Did they though? Shepard died and has returned to the living associating himself with a terrorist organization that is responsible for the murder of an Alliance admiral and killed likely dozens of Alliance soldiers (possibly including Shepard's own unit) amid other atrocities like torturing Corporal Toombs.

[Excella Gionne]

Uh, Kasumi's mission on the Citadel in ME3. The whole cutscene was just so...fake.

[SporkFu]

Did they though? Shepard is associating themselves with a terrorist organization that is responsible for the murder of an Alliance admiral and killed likely dozens of Alliance soldiers (possibly including Shepard's own unit) amid other atrocities.

If the VS were any other Alliance soldier, I'd agree with you. But the VS knows what's really going on. They've been through some serious crap with shep, and they should know that if shep is involved with cerberus, investigating a possible reaper-collector connection, she might just deserve the benefit of the doubt. I could also wish to see them remain skeptical on the basis of not trusting that shep is really shep, but the way they parted wasn't about that, it was about shep working for terrorists. 

[CptFalconPunch]

Did they though? Shepard died and has returned to the living associating himself with a terrorist organization that is responsible for the murder of an Alliance admiral and killed likely dozens of Alliance soldiers (possibly including Shepard's own unit) amid other atrocities like torturing Corporal Toombs.

A super-genius race of machines is coming soon to destroy all life in the galaxy.

 

"Sheapard, you're with the enemy!!11!! I am going to sit and do nothing about it for the rest of the game!"

[Daemul]

A super-genius race of machines is coming soon to destroy all life in the galaxy.

"Sheapard, you're with the enemy!!11!! I am going to sit and do nothing about it for the rest of the game!"

What? You want them to commit treason and leave the Alliance to work with a terrorist group? Nah, they made the right choice, stay the hell away from Cerberus and TIM.

[SporkFu]

What? You want them to commit treason and leave the Alliance to work with a terrorist group? Nah, they made the right choice, stay the hell away from Cerberus and TIM.

Didn't seem to bother Chakwas, Joker, Ken or Gabby too much. Besides how many of the sqaud said, "we're not working for Cerberus, we're working for you." as in shep. And look at Jack, she's got as much, if not more, of a reason to hate Cerberus than anybody in the galaxy, and she goes with shep. 

[von uber]

Still makes me laugh how the Normandy has massive cerberus logos all over it.
Why it never gets blown up on its initial approach to the citadel is an enduring mystery.
"This is Citadel control, unidentified cerberus vessel you are entering restricted space; please power down and await boarding parties."
"Citadel control this is the newly rebuilt Normandy and we have shepard on board who we raised from the dead. We are good guys now. "
"...... Destiny Ascension this is citadel control; you are free to engage. "

[Daemul]

Didn't seem to bother Chakwas, Joker, Ken or Gabby too much. Besides how many of the sqaud said, "we're not working for Cerberus, we're working for you." as in shep. And look at Jack, she's got as much, if not more, of a reason to hate Cerberus than anybody in the galaxy, and she goes with shep.

"Not working for Cerberus, we're working for you" is a completely nonesense line. By virtue of being on a Cerberus ship and using Cerberus resources you ARE working for them. There would be no discernible difference in a military court, it's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Ken and Gabby found that out when they got locked up, Chakwas and Joker would have discovered it too if the Reapers hadn't come and saved them from an dishonourable discharge. "We're not working for Cerberus, we're working for you" lol, do me a favour.

Talking about Ken and Gabby, it always makes me laugh how they go from "We lost respect for the Alliance" in ME2, to "Its good to be in an Alliance uniform again" in ME3. Everyone became pro-alliance in ME3 it seems, even people who hated them before.

[SporkFu]

"Not working for Cerberus, we're working for you" is a completely nonesense line. By virtue of being on a Cerberus ship and using Cerberus resources you ARE working for them. There would be no discernible difference in a military court, it's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Ken and Gabby found that out when they got locked up, Chakwas and Joker would have discovered it too if the Reapers hadn't come and saved them from an dishonourable discharge. "We're not working for Cerberus, we're working for you" lol, do me a favour.

Talking about Ken and Gabby, it always makes me laugh how they go from "We lost respect for the Alliance" in ME2, to "Its good to be in an Alliance uniform again" in ME3. Everyone became pro-alliance in ME3 it seems, even people who hated them before.

Well, Chakwas did technically get a proper leave of absence beforehand, but she did it to join shep's crew. Joker had been part of the Normandy retrofit team for months before the reapers showed up. He sure wasn't sitting in any cell. I don't think Ken and Gabby hated the Alliance, they hated the way the Alliance treated shep. There's a difference. Even Adams regretted not being part of the crew.

 

But not the VS, who spent months right in the middle of the race to the conduit -- and let's not forget they broke the Normandy out of lockdown and stole it to go to Ilos. They were right there in the battle with Sovereign, had shep's back through all of it, perhaps even were in love with shep. Sigh. I dunno. They over-reacted. 

[Excella Gionne]

Talking with the Catalyst was a poorly written scene! Have you seen Shepard toss the Catalyst out of the air lock?

[Ryriena]

Didn't seem to bother Chakwas, Joker, Ken or Gabby too much. Besides how many of the sqaud said, "we're not working for Cerberus, we're working for you." as in shep. And look at Jack, she's got as much, if not more, of a reason to hate Cerberus than anybody in the galaxy, and she goes with shep.

Tail even joins up even though they in fact endangered the security of the Flotilla. It's not like they drooped off the alliance. Hackett could just resign them under your command by saying this is just to watch over them type of thing. My Shepard that's a spacers would agree to this solution. Just to have them abroad would make me feel safer after all instead of being watched twenty four seven by Miranda and Jacob.

[CptFalconPunch]

What? You want them to commit treason and leave the Alliance to work with a terrorist group? Nah, they made the right choice, stay the hell away from Cerberus and TIM.

Because TIM and Cerberus CLEARLY are the real threat. And while the alliance sits drinking tea, the reapers are closing in, colonies are getting adbucted.

 

What do, what do? Nothing? Cool nothing! ME2 best writing ever forever 12/10.

 

Which also begs the question, WHY did we follow cerberus instead of doing something about the reapers? The best you can come up with is probably the 30 million year old reaper. Yay logic.

 

 

And it is not like we've commited treason any time before right? Stealing the normandy, blowing up a relay.

 

Did you even play Mass Effect 1? Sometimes it feels like people here haven't.

[naddaya]

Huh, everything regarding the main story in ME2. Lazarus/cerberus/ollectors/horizon/collector ship/ suicide mission etc.

 

In ME3 is the ending obviously.

 

In me1, uhm I don't really know, nothing is too bad like in the others.

 

In ME1 only a couple of parts come to my mind: Shep being a ****** when asking about the genophage (convo with Wrex) and Asari reproduction (convo with Liara), the Normandy being at the final battle despite being on Ilos when Shepard went through the conduit (they couldn't have reached it in time), and the part about the evidence against Saren: the Asari councilor could have just melded with Shepard to see the vision, Anderson and Shepard seem too certain about Saren's goals during their first meeting with the council, to the point of sounding fanatical, and Tali's evidence would be extremely weak if it was just a recording (everyone could have made that up).

 

On the whole though, they're just details. They're easily fixable and do not break the story.

 

In ME2, the worst parts were Lazarus and Shepard's apathy towards Cerberus, especially if you're a sole survivor. I didn't like the collectors plot, but it didn't bug as much. I think I hated Lazarus more than the endings of ME3. Also, Cerberus seemed too powerful compared to ME1, but again that might have been explainable. Lazarus was the worst part.

On the other hand, ME2 had Omega, my favourite planet in the whole trilogy. Mordin, Jack and Grunt were extremely well written.

 

In ME3, so many things. The dialogue is cheesy, but I can live with that. The focus on Earth really bugged me, as well as the blind faith in the Crucible and lack of tactics. Kai Leng, Cerberus empire (hated the coup) and Udina's indocrination were kinda terrible. Hated the dreams. Hated the clone part.

ME3 also has some of the best part I've ever played in a game. The Tuchanka/genophage was great (Mordin really shined there), as well as the citadel dlc except for the clone part. The tension between the geth and the quarians was well executed, and there were some fine bits of dialogue. Then it all came crushing down from Sanctuary to the ending.

[CptFalconPunch]

In ME1 only a couple of parts come to my mind: Shep being a ****** when asking about the genophage (convo with Wrex) and Asari reproduction (convo with Liara), the Normandy being at the final battle despite being on Ilos when Shepard went through the conduit (they couldn't have reached it in time), and the part about the evidence against Saren: the Asari councilor could have just melded with Shepard to see the vision, Anderson and Shepard seem too certain about Saren's goals during their first meeting with the council, to the point of sounding fanatical, and Tali's evidence would be extremely weak if it was just a recording (everyone could have made that up).
 
On the whole though, they're just details. They're easily fixable and do not break the story.

Yeah, I agree about the genophage thingy, "it seems the same to me".

I've thought about the mind melding with the asari councillor too, but it would just transfer the images, which shepard could have gotten after playing amnesia the dark descent the night before. It would still have appeared as dreams, so not much credibility there.
Talis evidence was so strong because it was extracted from a GETH unit, it couldn't have been fabricated.

Normandy on Illos appears weird too in retrospect, how much time does it take to travel through relays anyway?

In ME2, the worst parts were Lazarus and Shepard's apathy towards Cerberus, especially if you're a sole survivor. I didn't like the collectors plot, but it didn't bug as much. I think I hated Lazarus more than the endings of ME3. Also, Cerberus seemed too powerful compared to ME1, but again that might have been explainable. Lazarus was the worst part.
On the other hand, ME2 had Omega, my favourite planet in the whole trilogy. Mordin, Jack and Grunt were extremely well written.

Agreed on everything, Omega ftw. Especially mordins mission and loyalty. He was the best character simply for not being the heartless badass with daddy issues everyone else in the crew was

In ME3, so many things. The dialogue is cheesy, but I can live with that. The focus on Earth really bugged me, as well as the blind faith in the Crucible and lack of tactics. Kai Leng, Cerberus empire (hated the coup) and Udina's indocrination were kinda terrible. Hated the dreams. Hated the clone part.
ME3 also has some of the best part I've ever played in a game. The Tuchanka/genophage was great (Mordin really shined there), as well as the citadel dlc except for the clone part. The tension between the geth and the quarians was well executed, and there were some fine bits of dialogue. Then it all came crushing down from Sanctuary to the ending.

Yeah, I mostly loved ME3, but the mission on earth until the end is just mind boggling. It isn't just the endings but the whole priority earth that is badly written.
Also sur'kesh was awesome aswell. The music, the characters, the tension, excellent.

[naddaya]

Yeah, I agree about the genophage thingy, "it seems the same to me".

I've thought about the mind melding with the asari councillor too, but it would just transfer the images, which shepard could have gotten after playing amnesia the dark descent the night before. It would still have appeared as dreams, so not much credibility there.
Talis evidence was so strong because it was extracted from a GETH unit, it couldn't have been fabricated.

Normandy on Illos appears weird too in retrospect, how much time does it take to travel through relays anyway?

 

I'm not sure. I remember there was a lot of fuss in the forums for this reason back when ME1 came out. Travelling through relays should be nearly instantaneous, but getting from planets to relays isn't.

 

"There are two kinds of mass relay, primary and secondary. Primary relays can propel a ship thousands of light years but only link to one other relay, its "partner". Secondary relays can link to any other relay over shorter distances, only a few hundred light years."

 

To get from Ilos to the Citadel, the Normandy needs to jump through several secondary relays. Joker doesn't know that he needs to head to the citadel until Shepard talks to Vigil. Shepard spends some time getting to the council chambers from the presidium, a couple of hours probably. I'm not sure that's enough time to reach the Citadel though. If I recall correctly, when the Normandy first travelled from Eden Prime to the Citadel it took two days.

Modifié par naddaya, 07 juin 2014 - 02:11 .

[CptFalconPunch]

I'm not sure. I remember there was a lot of fuss in the forums for this reason back when ME1 came out. Travelling through relays should be nearly instantaneous, but getting from planets to relays isn't. I'll try to dig up a map

Well there was a lot of time for joker to go back to the relay, since Shepard was digging around on Illos, climbing up the citadel tower by foot and killing/suiciding saren.

How much time does he need anyway?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

If the VS were any other Alliance soldier, I'd agree with you. But the VS knows what's really going on. They've been through some serious crap with shep, and they should know that if shep is involved with cerberus, investigating a possible reaper-collector connection, she might just deserve the benefit of the doubt. I could also wish to see them remain skeptical on the basis of not trusting that shep is really shep, but the way they parted wasn't about that, it was about shep working for terrorists. 

 

I thought it was perfectly in character for Ashley to have reacted the way she did. Mind you, I despise her for it, but Ashley was always the judgmental type. I think there's more drama in the idea that the VS didn't actually know Shepard, hence why they were kept out of the loop. They had the alliance's ideal version of Shepard as their memory charm. And even then, that's a hell of a lot to suddenly throw on them. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

What? You want them to commit treason and leave the Alliance to work with a terrorist group? Nah, they made the right choice, stay the hell away from Cerberus and TIM.

 

I'd rather commit treason then consign myself to a non-committal organization that sits back and drops its head in the sand and sticks it deeper and deeper the closer the Reapers get. I say good riddance to them. Not that I believe that Ashley would have the sense to understand that logic. She deserves her fate as much as any other scum in the alliance.

[dreamgazer]

All told, probably either the Collector abduction sequence or the intro to ME2.

 

Not crazy about Benezia in the hot labs, either.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

A super-genius race of machines is coming soon to destroy all life in the galaxy.

 

"Sheapard, you're with the enemy!!11!! I am going to sit and do nothing about it for the rest of the game!"

 

Sounds exactly like the alliance, and any shill working for them.