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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Personally, the ending is a given. I'd say much of ME3 as a whole falls under the 'questionable' writing. For me, I'd argue that a lot of the whole game would be that way.

[Ryriena]

Sounds exactly like the alliance, and any shill working for them.

Masslivey do you think someone like Kaidan would be that emotional? I know your main killed Kaidan so you could bang Ashely later on but still?

[CptFalconPunch]

Sounds exactly like the alliance, and any shill working for them.

Ok, ok you don't like Ashley. But that doesn't mean she didn't have an arc through the first game. She went from a xenophobic suicide soldier to a more understanding person who put their father's death behind, to focus more on the team.

That is why I don't understand why she is behaving the way she did, especially after seeing this:
 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Masslivey do you think someone like Kaidan would be that emotional? I know your main killed Kaidan so you could bang Ashely later on but still?

 

Yes, Kaidan does have the potential for outbursts when he's really upset. He is normally grounded and keeps himself in-line and with bearing, but I think his revelations at a lot of the stuff that have gone on have gotten to him.

[naddaya]

Well there was a lot of time for joker to go back to the relay, since Shepard was digging around on Illos, climbing up the citadel tower by foot and killing/suiciding saren.

How much time does he need anyway?

 

According to the wiki, Shepard was unconscious for 15 hours after being knocked out by the beacon during the prologue. When Shepard awakens, the Normandy hasn't arrived at the Citadel yet. It's hard to make a comparison because we don't know the distance between planets and relays though, a couple of hours might be enough from Ilos.

[CptFalconPunch]

According to the wiki, Shepard was unconscious for 15 hours after being knocked out by the beacon during the prologue. When Shepard awakens, the Normandy hasn't arrived at the Citadel yet. It's hard to make a comparison because we don't know the distance between planets and relays though, a couple of hours might be enough from Ilos.

 

Falls within the same time limits that shepard spent until reaching the citadel tower then. So plot hole debunked?

Not that it is important, just for the saek of it

[Ryriena]

Yes, Kaidan does have the potential for outbursts when he's really upset. He is normally grounded and keeps himself in-line and with bearing, but I think his revelations at a lot of the stuff that have gone on have gotten to him.

I doubt it he lost control once when the guy was holding a knife to him. That incident made him in to the man he is today so basically your ignoring his personality traits so you can justify his reaction. It fits with Ashley but not Kaidan. Heck since when did Kaidan show any loyalty to the Alliance in mass effect 1? Yeah, he said he joined because it made his father happy that doesn't sound like someone, who shows real loyalty to the Alliance. You don't forget a single personality trait that has been a part of you for the last decade just because your girlfriend shows up.

[naddaya]

Falls within the same time limits that shepard spent until reaching the citadel tower then. So plot hole debunked?

Not that it is important, just for the saek of it

 

Yep. I tend to be nitpicky about ME1, at least people can't tell me "it's nostalgia talking" when I say ME1 was more coherent

[Ryriena]

Yep. I tend to be nitpicky about ME1, at least people can't tell me "it's nostalgia talking" when I say ME1 was more coherent

True at least I can say that about ME1 and I'm nick picky, as well, on plot related issues.

[DuskWanderer]

The most poorly written scene, I think, is Liara's romance. 

 

The most poorly acted scene was the forced Liara hug on ME2.

 

Original ME3 ending is a given, so it doesn't count

[Livi14]

The ending

Most scenes with the ME2 squaddies in ME3 giving lame reasons not to join you again

Anything involving Kaidan (boring)

Anything involving Kai Leng

Jacob's forced flirting

[Iakus]

If the VS were any other Alliance soldier, I'd agree with you. But the VS knows what's really going on. They've been through some serious crap with shep, and they should know that if shep is involved with cerberus, investigating a possible reaper-collector connection, she might just deserve the benefit of the doubt. I could also wish to see them remain skeptical on the basis of not trusting that shep is really shep, but the way they parted wasn't about that, it was about shep working for terrorists. 

 

Ash:  Shepard!  What happened?  Everyone thought you were dead...

 

Bioware: Assuming direct control

 

Ash: You traitor!  You treasonous traitoring traitor!  How could you betray me like that!?  I can't believe I helped you steal an Alliance warship from the Citadel!

 

Shepard:  Ashley!  Thank goodness you're all right!  Listen, the Collectors are behind the missing colonies.  You have to warn the Alliance!  Find Tali.  She can verif....

Bioware:  Assuming direct control...

Shepard:  Hey Ash.  Long time no see.  Wanna join Cerberus?  It'll be just like old times

[CptFalconPunch]

Shepard:  Hey Ash.  Long time no see.  Wanna join Cerberus?  It'll be just like old times

No,no,no. "Hey ash, those idiots at cerberus gave me a ship and crew. Lets get rid of the surveillance systems and find a way to stop the reapers!"
 

Yep. I tend to be nitpicky about ME1, at least people can't tell me "it's nostalgia talking" when I say ME1 was more coherent

Yeah, a lot of people here have ME1 in the sidelines and ME2 as their center of interest, everything outside it is obviously bad writing or nostalgia. For the short time I've been on this forum, I can conclude its headcannon center. I even learned that word here!

You've obviously been longer here, but damn its ridiculous. Everyone's opinions are so polarized. I sometimes feel sorry for Bioware. People outside the internet that I've spoken to have such diverse opinions, but here...

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I doubt it he lost control once when the guy was holding a knife to him. That incident made him in to the man he is today so basically your ignoring his personality traits so you can justify his reaction. It fits with Ashley but not Kaidan. Heck since when did Kaidan show any loyalty to the Alliance in mass effect 1? Yeah, he said he joined because it made his father happy that doesn't sound like someone, who shows real loyalty to the Alliance. You don't forget a single personality trait that has been a part of you for the last decade just because your girlfriend shows up.

 

Finding out that his best friend/girlfriend who he thought was dead for two years and didn't contact him, as well as working for a controversial organization that is (on the outside) a named target of the alliance, while coincidentally appearing close after the big Collector event. Granted, I don't buy the convenience angle, but you still can hardly be surprised at that kind of reaction. He's getting a huge load of information while having previously been kept completely in the dark about all of it.

 

Ash:  Shepard!  What happened?  Everyone thought you were dead...

 

Bioware: Assuming direct control

 

Ash: You traitor!  You treasonous traitoring traitor!  How could you betray me like that!?  I can't believe I helped you steal an Alliance warship from the Citadel!

 

Shepard:  Ashley!  Thank goodness you're all right!  Listen, the Collectors are behind the missing colonies.  You have to warn the Alliance!  Find Tali.  She can verif....

Bioware:  Assuming direct control...

Shepard:  Hey Ash.  Long time no see.  Wanna join Cerberus?  It'll be just like old times

 

Ashley's reaction is in character with her. Your misinterpretation of Shepard's reaction is neither true nor in character with him.

[Ryriena]

So basically you forget that they've been in a relationship which is against regulations to being with and his personality transforming into Ashley in that scene is unrealistic and jarring. The real Kaidan wouldn't let himself loose control or be so judgmental of Shepard in the first place.

[Iakus]

 

Ashley's reaction is in character with her. Your misinterpretation of Shepard's reaction is neither true nor in character with him.

 

No, I think it's pretty spot on.

 

Ashley didn't even try to listen.  And Shepard didn't even try to explain.  This is not how close friends/lovers operate.  This is how Bioware assumes direct control of the plot because feelz

[rekn2]

No, I think it's pretty spot on.

 

Ashley didn't even try to listen.  And Shepard didn't even try to explain.  This is not how close friends/lovers operate.  This is how Bioware assumes direct control of the plot because feelz

exactly.

 

dont get thrown off by massively. i think hes turned into a psycho-ashley excuser...then again he is a liberal.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Masslivey do you think someone like Kaidan would be that emotional? I know your main killed Kaidan so you could bang Ashely later on but still?

 

Yes, I do believe Kaidan can be that emotional. Hence why it happened. He's not necessarily a stoic rock. He's an introvert, but he's also a guy in touch with his emotions. He is a voice of reason, but he is fundamentally an emotional person.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

No, I think it's pretty spot on.

 

Ashley didn't even try to listen.  And Shepard didn't even try to explain.  This is not how close friends/lovers operate.  This is how Bioware assumes direct control of the plot because feelz

 

Ashley didn't try to listen. Sounds exactly like Ashley. Shepard does try to explain. Ashley won't hear of it. That is how close people can operate, especially after 2+ years apart with no communication. This is one of the things I think BW hit the nail on the head on.

[CptFalconPunch]

Ashley didn't try to listen. Sounds exactly like Ashley. Shepard does try to explain. Ashley won't hear of it. That is how close people can operate, especially after 2+ years apart with no communication. This is one of the things I think BW hit the nail on the head on.

If ashley was like that, she would have told the alliance that shepard is trying to steal the normandy. She doesn't. She goes with shepard and trusts him, because she knows the end of the world is coming. 

 

When the end of the entire organic species draws near, you don't sit around doing nothing, especially if you're the one knowing about it. If Bioware intended for Ashley to be in denial, she should have said, anything! Shepard, the reaper threat is over, or I agree witht he council you're stuck up!

 

What you're saying is pure headcannon., out of the bias, probably, that you don't like ashley. Ashley came around in the end, but why you dismiss all that arc is beyond me. Plus the end of the galaxy is coming, what possible grudge could even stack up against this?

Ashley loves humanity the most, wouldn't she do ANYTHING, to stop the reapers and protect it?

 

My opinion is, in order for bioware to make ME2, it had to dismiss the reaper threat and turn everyone who knew about it into an idiot, in order for the plot to make sense. Liara doesn't care, Ashley doesn't care, tali, garrus, wrex, shepard, TIM anyone...

[Kurt M.]

Poorly written scenes in the ME series? Well, there are quite a few indeed...

 

But I'll center my point on the Citadel DLC, especially the "Call to mum" part in the Spacer background. Seriously, you haven't talked to her for months, and all you have to say to her is "is that all you wanna tell me?" Are you chronically angry at her or something?

 

It's way, way too cold. Same for lots of conversation that are supposed to be affectionate, or friendly.

[Iakus]

Ashley didn't try to listen. Sounds exactly like Ashley. Shepard does try to explain. Ashley won't hear of it. That is how close people can operate, especially after 2+ years apart with no communication. This is one of the things I think BW hit the nail on the head on.

Shepard did not show Ashley the data from Veetor's omnitool.

 

Did not tell Ash that Tali can vouch for the Collectors attacking other colonies (like Freedom's Progress)

 

Does not get Chawkas or Joker on the line to back his claims.

 

Does not provide medical or DNA evidence confirming his status and past medical condition

 

Does not tell her his Spectre status has been reinstated or about his meeting with Anderson (If the Citadel has been visited)

 

Does not provide data on Mordin's anti-Seeker system.

 

Shepard doesn't try to explain squat.

[CptFalconPunch]

Poorly written scenes in the ME series? Well, there are quite a few indeed...

 

But I'll center my point on the Citadel DLC, especially the "Call to mum" part in the Spacer background. Seriously, you haven't talked to her for months, and all you have to say to her is "is that all you wanna tell me?" Are you chronically angry at her or something?

 

It's way, way too cold. Same for lots of conversation that are supposed to be affectionate, or friendly.

In ME1 when you called your mother she acted even colder actually. I think its mostly a direction they chose to follow?

[SporkFu]

Tail even joins up even though they in fact endangered the security of the Flotilla. It's not like they drooped off the alliance. Hackett could just resign them under your command by saying this is just to watch over them type of thing. My Shepard that's a spacers would agree to this solution. Just to have abroad would make me feel safer after all instead of being watched twenty four seven by Miranda and Jacob.

That would have been the smart play; The VS joins the crew to: 1 ) Verify shep really is shep, 2 ) verify shep's doing this for good reasons, 3 ) Have shep's back if/when Cerberus turns on her. 

[themikefest]

No, I think it's pretty spot on.

 

Ashley didn't even try to listen.  And Shepard didn't even try to explain.  This is not how close friends/lovers operate.  This is how Bioware assumes direct control of the plot because feelz

Would the conversation of been different, no matter how slight, if Liara told Ashley(especially if Ash is your LI) she gave Shepard's body to Cerberus.

 

I like Ashley, but the way the conversation went, I would've grabbed her by the neck and thrown her to the ground and then explain what was going on.