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[andy6915]

And Virmire. It was interesting to see people's reasonings behind that choice when they were actually RPing. It was the hardest decision of ME1 for me,

 

Speaking of which, might as well explain my own reasoning... I send Kaidan with the STG because I figure a biotic will do them more good then just another gun. I go to support Kaidan and then the choice happens. It was said that the bomb was pretty much impossible to stop once armed, so the bomb didn't really need much protection... But Kaidan and the STG? They need protection, badly. And though you pick of the STG either way, it doesn't make sense that you pick them up while not picking up the human you sent with them (seriously, it's a plot hole, the STG should only be able to be saved if you go to help the human you sent with them). So I go not truly to save Kaidan, but instead to save the Salarians. Ashley is just one person, Kaidan is with an entire team that looks like it's going to be slaughtered if you don't help. It's nice to save him while I'm at it but saving the STG, the greater number of lives and guys who have greatly helped you at destroying the base, is more important then the lone person you leave at the bomb.
 

Not to mention Kaidan is just flat out a better choice from a tactical and military point of view. Kaidan is one of the best biotics in the entire Alliance (and biotics are tactically more useful then regular soldiers to begin with), has over a dozen special commendations and has "an impressive service record", is higher ranked then her by quite a large margin and is Ashley's superior officer. Ashley is just a mere soldier with high technical scores who has served only on backwater colonies because of her blacklisting, and has no specialty like biotics or tech. Kaidan is logically, militarily and tactically the best choice. Leave him with the Salarians and the choice might as well be made for you of which is more important to rescue.

 

Granted on the few times I save Ashley, I send her with the STG so I have an excuse to go for her anyway. The dozen Salarians+Ashley is more important than Kaidan alone.
 

[themikefest]

Lore trumps combat. 

Asari commandos, lorewise, are incredibly powerful biotics and fighters with decades to centuries of experience, yet still being in the physical shape of a twenty-something year old human. Them not being much of a challenge is the fault of the gameplay designers. 

It amuses me at times, in the game and on these boards, where the humans get uppity and all self-important. 

Your population is dwarfed, your economy insignificant, and your military weak. If the Alliance ever tried to do their own thing, or try to take territory or anything from the Council governments, then Earth would be under Turian military occupation in several weeks. The Salarians quarantine humanity to Earth, and the Asari laugh. 

Whatever. Why does Asari high command have to ask Shepard to checkout the monestary to see what happen to the commandos? Because Asari commandos suck.

 

Look at the Commander for the destiny Ascension. Why didn't the ship fire back at the Geth and Sovereign when first attacked at the Citadel? Because the commander had a panic attack. The Asari suck when it comes to the military.

 

If Humanity was to attack Thessia, it would be wiped out in a short time. I wouldn't be surprised if the Boy scouts could kick their backside.

[CptFalconPunch]

Look at the Commander for the destiny Ascension. Why didn't the ship fire back at the Geth and Sovereign when first attacked at the Citadel? Because the commander had a panic attack. The Asari suck when it comes to the military.

 

Doubt they've seen any fights in their lives being near the citadel and all. I think that as time went of, asari went on to be progressively softer and softer. More diplomats, mating rituals and dancing rather than fighting.

That doesn't mean they can't be capable fighters, and that doesn't mean there aren't any. Damn whats with these asbolute opinions...

[fhs33721]

1.) Whatever. Why does Asari high command have to ask Shepard to checkout the monestary to see what happen to the commandos? Because Asari commandos suck.

 

2)Look at the Commander for the destiny Ascension. Why didn't the ship fire back at the Geth and Sovereign when first attacked at the Citadel? Because the commander had a panic attack. The Asari suck when it comes to the military.

 

3.)If Humanity was to attack Thessia, it would be wiped out in a short time. I wouldn't be surprised if the Boy scouts could kick their backside.

 

1) Because Shepard is the protagonist and every NPC around her/him starts being useless in order for her/him to look more capable and badass. Do I really have to remind you about how often some humans failed only so Shepard could save the day? Eden prime, Horizon, Feros, almost every N7 mission ever just to name a few.

 

2) What commader? The one that decide to try evacuate their political leaders instead of fighting an hopeless battle against overwhelming odds? Doesn't seem such a bad idea to me. Although I'll admit that they could at least have returened fire at first. Again ist isn't like we have met many competent commanders of other species though.

 

3) Unlikely. Humans might be able to gain the upper hand but they won't be able to wipe the planet out quickly enough before the turians come and kick their ass back to the stoneage while the salarians pull off some sneaky stuff on earth that will possibly cripple humanity for ever. Attacking a mostly peacful race that has been friends with all other important species doesn't usually tend to get ignored.

[naddaya]

@andy - I saved Kaidan too for the same reasons. I sent him with STG because I figured a biotic would be more useful to them, they already had enough firepower and I have Tali and Garrus ad techs.
There are reasonable explanations for all choices. If you think the geth might be able to disarm the bomb, it makes sense to defend it. If you trust Kirrahe, going to the AA tower is understandable.

[themikefest]

 

3) Unlikely. Humans might be able to gain the upper hand but they won't be able to wipe the planet out quickly enough before the turians come and kick their ass back to the stoneage while the salarians pull off some sneaky stuff on earth that will possibly cripple humanity for ever. Attacking a mostly peacful race that has been friends with all other important species doesn't usually tend to get ignored.

Without the Turians and Salarians for help, the Asari would be taken down.

 

Asari maybe peaceful and all, but they don't care about other species as evident by withholding information about the beacon on Thessia

[Farangbaa]

1) Because Shepard is the protagonist and every NPC around her/him starts being useless in order for her/him to look more capable and badass. Do I really have to remind you about how often some humans failed only so Shepard could save the day? Eden prime, Horizon, Feros, almost every N7 mission ever just to name a few.

 

2) What commader? The one that decide to try evacuate their political leaders instead of fighting an hopeless battle against overwhelming odds? Doesn't seem such a bad idea to me. Although I'll admit that they could at least have returened fire at first. Again ist isn't like we have met many competent commanders of other species though.

 

3) Unlikely. Humans might be able to gain the upper hand but they won't be able to wipe the planet out quickly enough before the turians come and kick their ass back to the stoneage while the salarians pull off some sneaky stuff on earth that will possibly cripple humanity for ever. Attacking a mostly peacful race that has been friends with all other important species doesn't usually tend to get ignored.

 

Thank you for this voice of reason between all the madness.

[Farangbaa]

Themikefest:

 

You seem to be forgetting that everyone in the MEU is an incompetent idiot, and Shepard is the ultimate fixer of every problem... for everyone.

[themikefest]

Themikefest:

 

You seem to be forgetting that everyone in the MEU is an incompetent idiot, and Shepard is the ultimate fixer of every problem... for everyone.

No.

 

Not everyone. Just the leaders

[Barquiel]

3) Unlikely. Humans might be able to gain the upper hand but they won't be able to wipe the planet out quickly enough before the turians come and kick their ass back to the stoneage while the salarians pull off some sneaky stuff on earth that will possibly cripple humanity for ever. Attacking a mostly peacful race that has been friends with all other important species doesn't usually tend to get ignored.

Not even that. The asari military is still very large, a good bit larger than the alliance. Less than 3% of humans volunteer to serve in their military, a lower proportion than any other species (and humans already have the smallest population). And compare the codex entries/planet descriptions for the reaper war. In ME3 the Asari military actually puts up a much stiffer fight than the Alliance did. The Reapers took Earth in a matter of hours.

[dreamgazer]

"This evidence is irrefutable, Ambassador."

[Ryriena]

Speaking of which, might as well explain my own reasoning... I send Kaidan with the STG because I figure a biotic will do them more good then just another gun. I go to support Kaidan and then the choice happens. It was said that the bomb was pretty much impossible to stop once armed, so the bomb didn't really need much protection... But Kaidan and the STG? They need protection, badly. And though you pick of the STG either way, it doesn't make sense that you pick them up while not picking up the human you sent with them (seriously, it's a plot hole, the STG should only be able to be saved if you go to help the human you sent with them). So I go not truly to save Kaidan, but instead to save the Salarians. Ashley is just one person, Kaidan is with an entire team that looks like it's going to be slaughtered if you don't help. It's nice to save him while I'm at it but saving the STG, the greater number of lives and guys who have greatly helped you at destroying the base, is more important then the lone person you leave at the bomb.

Not to mention Kaidan is just flat out a better choice from a tactical and military point of view. Kaidan is one of the best biotics in the entire Alliance (and biotics are tactically more useful then regular soldiers to begin with), has over a dozen special commendations and has "an impressive service record", is higher ranked then her by quite a large margin and is Ashley's superior officer. Ashley is just a mere soldier with high technical scores who has served only on backwater colonies because of her blacklisting, and has no specialty like biotics or tech. Kaidan is logically, militarily and tactically the best choice. Leave him with the Salarians and the choice might as well be made for you of which is more important to rescue.

I agree, I was like so you just left my teammates to die, when I saw him on my ship? I was entirely confused at that point.

[von uber]

Asari ships are larger, more powerful and more numerous than the alliance. They are more advanced and have a larger and richer economy. Each of their troops is a natural biotic, with their individual units having potentially hundreds of years of combat training (see some of the war asset descriptions of the asari troops, including that serrice (?) Guard unit you find).

Excluding 'humans are schpesshul' from the equation, an asari / alliance war wouldn't last that long.

But who really cares anyway.

[themikefest]

Not even that. The asari military is still very large, a good bit larger than the alliance. Less than 3% of humans volunteer to serve in their military, a lower proportion than any other species (and humans already have the smallest population). And compare the codex entries/planet descriptions for the reaper war. In ME3 the Asari military actually puts up a much stiffer fight than the Alliance did. The Reapers took Earth in a matter of hours.

 How would the Asari have fared if the reapers attacked Thessia first?

[Daemul]

"This evidence is irrefutable, Ambassador."

This always gets me. Of all the things to take as irrefutable proof of someone's guilt it's an audio recoding? What? You can fake that stuff. Iirc the Evolution comic even shows how easily you can manipulate a recording into saying what you want. The whole thing with Saren is just complete and utter nonesense. 

[KrrKs]

No.

 

Not everyone. Just the leaders

And Dr. Michelle, and Chellik, and Adm. Kahoku, Conrad Verner, The "Big stupid Jellifish"/C-sec Officer, 2 strangers arguing about whether a child should get genetic treatments, Nassana Dentius, Jaleed and Chorban, Emily Wong, Helena Blake....

 

And those are just the ones from the ME1 Citadel...

 

Really Sheppard is the "do everything guy" in ME.

Apart from that humans aren't all that 'special'. I really don't get why they are always made out to be

 

Also what von Uber said

 

 

 How would the Asari have fared if the reapers attacked Thessia first?

Considering that Thessia is actually under attack for quite some time when we go there, and husks are completely ineffective...

->Not that bad actually. Maybe not quite as 'good' as Palaven, but definately better than Kar'shan or Earth

 

On topic:

Worst Dialogue:

"Your people can do that?" ME1 -referring to Asari same species mating

 

Most poorly written scene(s):

The whole ME3 intro -especially the "This isn't about strategy or tactics" lines

 (-> and the ME3 ending...., so totally unfitting and anticlimatic)

[Obadiah]

The solution is always obvious once the problem is solved.

[fhs33721]

 How would the Asari have fared if the reapers attacked Thessia first?

They would get their ass kicked royally by the Reapers. But so did the humans, who lost most of their defences right away and were completely helpless against the Reapers. The Reapers effortlessly wipe the floor with every race including humans. That the Asari loose against them proves nothing.

 

1)Without the Turians and Salarians for help, the Asari would be taken down.

 

2)Asari maybe peaceful and all, but they don't care about other species as evident by withholding information about the beacon on Thessia

1) Ignoring the fact that even then victory cannot be 100% assured, that is a pretty irrelevant observation. It comes close to saying: "If the USA consisted only of Arizona Germany could win a war against it."

You can't just ignore the political power and influence of the Asari and say the humans are more powerful just because their military might be better. That is not how power works.

 

2)What does caring about other species has to do with the subject at hand? They just have political influence with the other species. Wether they also care about said species doesn't really matter.

Also hiding the beacon makes the Asari govermnet hypocritical but I wouldn't say it automatically means that they don't care for other Species at all.

[Mordokai]

You can't just ignore the political power and influence of the Asari and say the humans are more powerful just because their military might be better. That is not how power works.

 

Actually, yeah, he can.

 

He's very good at ignoring logic when it suits him.

[themikefest]

Had the Asari revealed the artifact earlier, it would've/could've saved a lot of lives. All species will wonder why it wasn't revealed earlier. They will look at the Asari in a different way and most likely ignore them if they were to need help for some reason

 

Seeing the Asari in the trilogy, their military is pathetic. Humanity wouldn't have too much of a problem defeating the Asari in a one-on-one battle.

[Obadiah]

Yeah, but it wouldn't be a one-on-one battle. Remember the story of how Patriarch lost Omega?

[CptFalconPunch]

This always gets me. Of all the things to take as irrefutable proof of someone's guilt it's an audio recoding? What? You can fake that stuff. Iirc the Evolution comic even shows how easily you can manipulate a recording into saying what you want. The whole thing with Saren is just complete and utter nonesense. 

 

And you would be right if the audio recording wasn't extracted form a geth memory core. Everything else in the game can be fabricated as you said. But according to Mass Effect 1 you can't forge data coming from Geth Memory Cores.

[von uber]

I fail to see how a smaller, less advanced and equipped military with a much weaker political and economic base is going to win in an all out galactic war.
Not a minor skirmish, but total war. The alliance would put up a fight obviously but the eventual winner would not be in doubt.

But hey ho, your opinion of the asari is rather well known themikefest

[Mordokai]

I fail to see how a smaller, less advanced and equipped military with a much weaker political and economic base is going to win in an all out galactic war.
Not a minor skirmish, but total war. The alliance would put up a fight obviously but the eventual winner would not be in doubt.

But hey ho, your opinion of the asari is rather well known themikefest

 

Truth be told, if memory serves right, humanity fought turians to a standstill in First Contact War. Which I always considered BS and just another "humanity is special" thing, but there you go. I'm assuming that's a base for a lot of anthropocentric thinking.

[Livi14]

2) What commader? The one that decide to try evacuate their political leaders instead of fighting an hopeless battle against overwhelming odds? Doesn't seem such a bad idea to me. Although I'll admit that they could at least have returened fire at first. Again ist isn't like we have met many competent commanders of other species though.

The Destiny Ascension was blitzed by a swarm of geth ships and dreadnoughts can't use their guns at close range, that's explained in the codex.

And the asari would of course win, with or without the other council races' help.