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[Smashmouth]

 All these Quarians are always dying from their suit ruptures and can't really handle ground combat well...yet Tali is in your crew getting shot at and beat up all the time, and never complains about the extra risk she is taking.

So...are all Quarians whiners who make a bigger deal about their systems than they need to...or is Tali just the most badass Quarian ever who toughs it out. 

[DeinonSlayer]

It's called game mechanics; same reason you don't see Kaidan stop to suck down an energy drink or take a nap every other time he does a biotic attack. I notice in ME3 there isn't a single human soldier who doesn't die when you approach them during the fighting in London.

Realistically, though, I always pictured Tali being in more of an Anna Grimsdottir-type support role. Like Kasumi, she has a high-value skillset, not necessarily put to best use on the field. There are plenty of squadmates better suited for taking point and kicking the door.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 05 février 2014 - 08:31 .

[CronoDragoon]

Smashmouth wrote...
...or is Tali just the most badass Quarian ever who toughs it out. 

She "adapts" to Shepard after like 5 months of screwing. Either Shepard has god-like stamina or you've got it covered.

Edit: Damn the BSN is dirty today.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 05 février 2014 - 08:30 .

[Cknarf]

She wouldn't be very effective if every time you took her on a mission, she'd hide and perform emergency suit repairs lol.

[BurningBlood]

I always liked Kal'Reegar's indignation when you basically ask him the same question. "I'm not gonna die from an infection in the middle of a battle, that's just insulting!"

[AlexMBrennan]

By the same logic, all your squadmates should be stuck in the infirmary for the rest of the game if they get downed at any point in the campaign yet only the VS ever suffers a permanent injury.

[justafan]

At least with Tali you can pretend her suit is somewhat bulletproof. If we ignore game mechanics, Jack should be swiss cheese the moment her barriers go down.

[DeinonSlayer]

justafan wrote...

At least with Tali you can pretend her suit is somewhat bulletproof. If we ignore game mechanics, Jack should be swiss cheese the moment her barriers go down.

Needless to say, tattoos are not adequate protection against the vacuum of space.

Science!

[Derpy]

Because I said she would never ever die and I am space Jesus. I also say that Shepard will die to a Reaper and that happened. I also said Kal"Reegar would die and that happened. AND I said that Garrus would get shot in the face and THAT HAPPENED! NOBODY BELIEVES ME ._.

[von uber]

Because if it weren't for the fact that it's not a roguelike, in most people's universes shepard only got a little further towards the beacon than Jenkins.

[shodiswe]

Tali and Reegar has combatgear and priority stock of antibiotics and antihistamines. Sometihng the down Civilians lacked. The marines, Admiralty, and military personel had priority for medical supploes, armor and everything else in the Flotilla. The Admirals and the military are the Elite, they elect their own members and leaders.
The dying Civilians we encounter simply bows their heads and dies for the glory of the Admirals.
Tali is fully supplied with antibiotics and antihistamines from the normandy and her suit has selfhealing. Also, Tali does seem to be a very stubborn badass Quarian even if she's kind of submissive towards the Admirals(probably an age thing, and the feeling she's there because her father isn't).
Part of it could also be her father who always pushed her to perform, to overcome hardships and ignore that which can't be avoided. While it might have been tough for her it did turn her into the "Badass" she became.
It isn't a coincidence she's the Quarian who salvaged that data from Sarens Geth heretic friend. Most Quarians would likely avoid Geth on their pilgrimages, but not Tali. That's not what her father taught her.

She's more like this little girl.



Tali is kind of brought up like Hitgirl by a father that's like Hitgirls father.



Her father sends her on secret and dangerous missions that noone else knows about.

So, no she's not a normal Quarian, she's the daughter of a Quarian Admiral,whos part of the Quarian ruling elite. A military elite dictatorship that elects their own members and her father is a militant extremist even among the Quarian admiralty and operates without their knowledge since his methods wouldn't have been approved by the rest of the Admiralty.
So he trains his daughter to do the dirtywork for him, in secrecy along with a team of his most trusted associates.

Tali is special, I like her, but I can't say I approve of the way her father did things, even if that makes her a badass Quarian to have with you. If you want a Quarian to watch your back in a dangerous situation then she's a good pick.

Modifié par shodiswe, 06 février 2014 - 11:47 .

[General TSAR]

A military elite dictatorship

LOL, the Fleet isn't a Junta.

[Derpy]

Well what that OPer said or its because space magic.

[shodiswe]

General TSAR wrote...

A military elite dictatorship

LOL, the Fleet isn't a Junta.

That's actualy the best description, ever since the end of the Morning war that has been their government form. We don't know what they had before that. That's never been covered as far as I know.

It would be interesting to know if that's the only form of governance that the Quarians have ever known or if it's a product of their exile.

The Admiralty tells them to jump, they jump, the Admiralty tells them to take a bullet for them and they do, (even if that would be impopular and some might begrudge it with their last dying words).

They for the lack of a better description order their schoolbusses to be armed with WMD's even if they lack the shields or armor of military ships, then they send in their civilians and children in those deathtraps.
Which is why civilians are among the first victims during your stay there, that you have to go down and rescue.

Modifié par shodiswe, 06 février 2014 - 02:13 .

[Derpy]

shodiswe wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

A military elite dictatorship

LOL, the Fleet isn't a Junta.

That's actualy the best description, ever since the end of the Morning war that has been their government form. We don't know what they had before that. That's never been covered as far as I know.

It would be interesting to know if that's the only form of governance that the Quarians have ever known or if it's a product of their exile.

The Admiralty tells them to jump, they jump, the Admiralty tells them to take a bullet for them and they do, (even if that would be impopular and some might begrudge it with their last dying words).

The Admirals are completely stupid figures that have no interests in anything but killing Geth.

This is exactly what they think as a reaper war is going on:

Admiral 1: Lol der is reapur war les go find sum geeth to keel lololol

Admiral 2: Ok li fund som geeth hr on dis plnet dud.

Admiral 1: kkkkkkkkkk LAUNCH DA SHEEPS MAN

Admiral 2: Oh sht we ded geeth got da upr hand here.

Admiral 1: LANUCH DE CIVIVIANS

Admiral 2: oh nooeeees dey r ded too

Admiral 1: CALL SHEPURD WE NED HELPS

Admiral 2: -calls shepurd- GEETH R RAPIN CIVILIANS COM SAV DEM oh n we startd a war cuz I lov war n stuffs

Admiral 2: -almost blows shepurd up-

Shepard: -punches Admiral-

Modifié par Nate_Assassin, 06 février 2014 - 02:19 .

[Sir DeLoria]

shodiswe wrote...

That's actualy the best description, ever since the end of the Morning war that has been their government form. We don't know what they had before that. That's never been covered as far as I know.

It would be interesting to know if that's the only form of governance that the Quarians have ever known or if it's a product of their exile.

The Admiralty tells them to jump, they jump, the Admiralty tells them to take a bullet for them and they do, (even if that would be impopular and some might begrudge it with their last dying words).

You're wrong, a junta takes power by force via a coup d'etat. The Quarian government is far more complicated and more similar to the British Parliament with the House of Lords and House of Commons. A system such as this is necessary in the situation the Quarians are in and if humans were to suffer the same fate, they'd need a similar political system. The Quarians usually obey orders because anything else would probably result in catastrophe. Quarians stick together, the need of the many over the need of the few.

[AlexMBrennan]

The Quarian government is far more complicated and more similar to the British Parliament with the House of Lords and House of Commons

What the hell are you smoking? Because last I checked the House of Commons was elected, and the House of Lords has extremely limited power. By contrast, the quarians are ruled by an unelected top military officials.

And you're wrong on the definition of junta too - "A junta or military junta (/ˈhʊntə/ or /ˈdʒʌntə/) is a government led by a committee of military leaders."

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 06 février 2014 - 03:09 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Questioning whether I want to step into this... maybe this evening.

[Derpy]

Hey, look at it this way, the Admirals love power and so they gave THEMSLEVES power and thus went mad and are going to destroy their whole race. I mean look at Garrel he is a complete warmonger and Xen is Xen, crafter of the Arc Pistol.

[General TSAR]

[quote]shodiswe wrote...

That's actualy the best description, ever since the end of the Morning war that has been their government form. [/quote]
Yeah, completely forget about the Conclave.
[quote]Nate_Assassin wrote...
Xen is Xen, crafter of the Arc Pistol.[/quote][/quote]
Stupid logic is stupid. 

"I made a sidearm, I must be a warmonger."

Modifié par General TSAR, 06 février 2014 - 03:58 .

[Derpy]

General TSAR wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...
Xen is Xen, crafter of the Arc Pistol.

Stupid logic is stupid. 

"I made a sidearm, I must be a warmonger."

You do not understand the power of the Arc Pistol. All one needs is an Arc Pistol and they can do all and it even decapitates mooks. Arc Pistol is second to Reegar Carbine hence my sig.

Modifié par Nate_Assassin, 06 février 2014 - 04:16 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

Yeah, I think it's just plot armor.

If you really wanted a logical explanation, I suppose you could hypothesize that the quarian military aren't quite as well-trained and effective as Shepard's squad, and therefore Tali avoids serious infections because she has better support and coverage from her squadmates.

[Endurium]

Just pretend Tali's armor is being updated like in ME1, even though it may not look like it. As part of the team of champions she is outfitted better than most of her people, and skilled at working as a team with fellow champions.

The 'realism' points are good too. I'm glad we don't have to take restroom breaks before/during each mission, have to stop for suit repairs/bandaging, stop for food/drink, stop to swap in a non-critically-injured crewmember, etc. For the sake of fluid gameplay many such details are left to our imaginations.

[shodiswe]

General TSAR wrote...
Yeah, completely forget about the Conclave.

The Conclave has no power what so ever, the Admirals can tell them to shut up when ever they feel like it. All they have to say is that it's in the interest of Fleet security. Anything can be of Fleet security interest. Food rationing, medical supplies, population growth, going to war, accusing someone of treason.

Whatever the case might be the Admirals got the final word. The Conclave handles minor issues and day to day work that the Admirals don't give a damn about. They are the puppet cabinet.
Whenever an Admiral retires or die the Admirals elects the replacements.
If an Admiral has to resign then they just pick their right hand Lieutenent to replace them and get their vision realised anyway.

Modifié par shodiswe, 06 février 2014 - 06:57 .

[Han Shot First]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

The Quarian government is far more complicated and more similar to the British Parliament with the House of Lords and House of Commons

What the hell are you smoking? Because last I checked the House of Commons was elected, and the House of Lords has extremely limited power. By contrast, the quarians are ruled by an unelected top military officials.

And you're wrong on the definition of junta too - "A junta or military junta (/ˈhʊntə/ or /ˈdʒʌntə/) is a government led by a committee of military leaders."

I think the closest real world equivalent to the Quarians would be the government of Imperial Japan during the Second World War. Japan had a civilian government, however in most matters it was subordinate to the whims of the Supreme War Council. Nearly all of the members of the Supreme War Council were navy Admirals or army Generals.