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[GrumpyGit]

I think we may have overlooked the ending of Mass Effect 3. The whole purpose of the stargazer scene was to establish that Shepard had transcended mortality and become legend, passed down from generation to generation. While it's fine and dandy to assume Shepard is dead and we should all move on... it's the last line of the the final scene that hints that Shepard could return to be the protagonist of a future game.
"Tell me another story about the Shepard."
"It's getting late... but ok... one more story."

However personally I'm quite looking forward to playing a new protagonist in the next Mass Effect game. Shepard was great... and hopefully will will see her/him again in the future.

Modifié par GrumpyGit, 07 février 2014 - 01:16 .

[Rusty Sandusky]

delusion, delusion everywhere!

[ElitePinecone]

They could lie, but they aren't lying about Shepard not being the protagonist.

That story is over. We're getting something new in the next game. That's been said often enough that there's absolutely no way they'd go back on it.

There's no marketing ploy: Shepard's story is done, over, finished, and the next game will be something different.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

StreetMagic wrote...

MegaIllusiveMan wrote...


This pretty much sums it all up...

That's a female Krogan. If Eve is any indication, then they place their hopes and dreams on the kind of past/utopian ideals that she talked about throughout the game. I already know they couldn't survive any of this. I want to know what becomes of Grunt and Krogan like the male Shaman. The male Shaman was Eve's opposite. He championed everything she didn't. He said destroying their planet was actually a "good thing". lmao.

What I'm really interested in is if they are telling the truth. Would the males retaliate?

Well, that is a female Krogan, yes...

But here are my explanations to the image: This is actually a "Ritual" place... She is waiting for a Tresher Maw to eat her... Thus, the end of the Krogan race. No females= No more Krogan (every race needs a female to reproduce)

About what you said, they do retaliate, but it turns Tuchanka in a Wasteland, thus eradicating the Krogan Race...

PS: That is actually confirmed... There is an image about it somewhere, but I can't find it....

[DoomsdayDevice]

GrumpyGit wrote...

While it's fine and dandy to assume Shepard is dead and we should all move on... it's the last line of the the final scene that hints that Shepard could return to be the protagonist of a future game.
"Tell me another story about the Shepard."
"It's getting late... but ok... one more story."

I agree. Most people handwave this as DLC promotion, but it never gave me that impression. It really sounds like "one more game".

It's strange how Bioware is going all "no moar Shepard". I don't want to think they're lying though.

Maybe "plans change(d)", like Priestly said.

[AlanC9]

Or they've been telling the truth the whole time and people are kidding themselves.

[themikefest]

GrumpyGit wrote...

I think we may have overlooked the ending of Mass Effect 3. The whole purpose of the stargazer scene was to establish that Shepard had transcended mortality and become legend, passed down from generation to generation. While it's fine and dandy to assume Shepard is dead and we should all move on... it's the last line of the the final scene that hints that Shepard could return to be the protagonist of a future game.
"Tell me another story about the Shepard."
"It's getting late... but ok... one more story."

However personally I'm quite looking forward to playing a new protagonist in the next Mass Effect game. Shepard was great... and hopefully will will see her/him again in the future.

If were going by what the man was telling the child, I would like to hear the story that was told to him by the person that told him the story since he mentions the details have changed over time. The only who could've told the first story is Shepard since no one knows what happens after Anderson is dead except Shepard.

If the one more story line means more dlc than why keep  that line if you have all dlc for the game?

I don't believe Shepard will be in the next game and I wouldn't be surprised if there is nothing related to the trilogy at all.

For me, and I have mentioned this in a few threads,  I'm looking past the game that Bioware Montreal is currently developing and seeing what the next ME game will be. It could possibly have Shepard(if Bioware chooses to) be the main character.

[Derpy]

Next ME will be of a Shepard Ghoul and it will be set in a MEized Fallout where you must stop radiation from radiating everyone and you end up getting radiated and your waifu leaves you because you are a nasty ugly Ghoul and nobody ever goes near you.

[Zso_Zso]

IF they decide to keep going with Shepard, ignoring your choice and going on from high-EMS Destroy will be a no-brainer for them. After-all they already ignored/trivialized similar major ending choices:

1. If you killed of the Council at the end of ME1 and put Anderson on the lead of the new Council, they ignore that in ME3 and start with Udina on the Council anyways.

2. The collector base keep / destroy decision at the end of ME2 has practically no effect on ME3 (100 vs 110 war asset)

So, why would they have any problem with ignoring your ME3 ending choice ?

On the other hand, whether they go with all new characters or reuse old ones (possibly including Sheppard) will depend on their marketing predictions -- whichever choice they think will get them the most sales will be implemented.

[ElitePinecone]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I agree. Most people handwave this as DLC promotion, but it never gave me that impression. It really sounds like "one more game".

It's strange how Bioware is going all "no moar Shepard". I don't want to think they're lying though.

Maybe "plans change(d)", like Priestly said.

They never had the intention to keep Shepard as the protagonist beyond ME3. Not before the game launched, and as far as we know not afterwards. Everything Montreal and Casey/Mac have said since ME3 has been that they're moving on, and Shepard won't appear in future games.

This is from March 2012, a few days before the game launched, in Geoff Keighley's Final Hours of ME3:



The old man scene was included because (I'm not even kidding here) Hudson thought the endings were too divergent and dissimilar, and he wanted to include one final scene that everyone got. 

(The cinematics direction for that scene, by the way, indicate that it takes place 10,000 years later.)

[AlanC9]

Zso_Zso wrote...
2. The collector base keep / destroy decision at the end of ME2 has practically no effect on ME3 (100 vs 110 war asset)

Unless you choose to plsy a low-EMS game.... but few of us do that.

[CronoDragoon]

AlanC9 wrote...
Unless you choose to plsy a low-EMS game.... but few of us do that.

I wonder if they had made that applicable to high-EMS as well whether we'd have more threads praising BW for making your previous choices matter, or more threads complaining about the elimination of choice in the endings (WE ONLY GET 2?!"). Actually I don't wonder.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Zso_Zso wrote...

IF they decide to keep going with Shepard, ignoring your choice and going on from high-EMS Destroy will be a no-brainer for them. After-all they already ignored/trivialized similar major ending choices

Actually no. It wouldn't be ignoring anyone's choice. Because every player who picked control, synthesis or refuse willingly killed off their Shepard.

That would be like saying ME3 ignored the fact that Shepard can die in the SM.

High EMS destroy is simply the only scenario in which Shepard lives.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 07 février 2014 - 06:46 .

[Han Shot First]

GrumpyGit wrote...

I think we may have overlooked the ending of Mass Effect 3. The whole purpose of the stargazer scene was to establish that Shepard had transcended mortality and become legend, passed down from generation to generation. While it's fine and dandy to assume Shepard is dead and we should all move on... it's the last line of the the final scene that hints that Shepard could return to be the protagonist of a future game.
"Tell me another story about the Shepard."
"It's getting late... but ok... one more story."

Going slight off topic, but that was one of the aspects of the endings I hated the most. It made at least some sense in the original endings where a galactic dark age that lasts millennia is implied. In those endings it would make sense that Shepard had passed from historical fact to a slightly mythological figure. It makes no sense at all in the Extended Cut however, where civilization no longer collapses in the High EMS variants. In those endings civilization does not lose the ability to preserve its history, and thus Shepard becoming mythological does not make a lick of sense.

If the next game is a sequel I hope that bit is quietly forgotten. Having Shepard be referred to as "the Shepard" in the next game would be both lame and nonsensical.

[CronoDragoon]

Han Shot First wrote...
Going slight off topic, but that was one of the aspects of the endings I hated the most. It made at least some sense in the original endings where a galactic dark age that lasts millennia is implied. In those endings it would make sense that Shepard had passed from historical fact to a slightly mythological figure. It makes no sense at all in the Extended Cut however, where civilization no longer collapses in the High EMS variants. In those endings civilization does not lose the ability to preserve its history, and thus Shepard becoming mythological does not make a lick of sense.

If the next game is a sequel I hope that bit is quietly forgotten. Having Shepard be referred to as "the Shepard" in the next game would be both lame and nonsensical.

"The Founding Fathers"?

And that was only ~250 years ago.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 07 février 2014 - 08:17 .

[wright1978]

Han Shot First wrote...

Going slight off topic, but that was one of the aspects of the endings I hated the most. It made at least some sense in the original endings where a galactic dark age that lasts millennia is implied. In those endings it would make sense that Shepard had passed from historical fact to a slightly mythological figure. It makes no sense at all in the Extended Cut however, where civilization no longer collapses in the High EMS variants. In those endings civilization does not lose the ability to preserve its history, and thus Shepard becoming mythological does not make a lick of sense.

If the next game is a sequel I hope that bit is quietly forgotten. Having Shepard be referred to as "the Shepard" in the next game would be both lame and nonsensical.

Yep Grandpa Buzz does fit the original forced  backward hillbilly colony survivors sent back to the stone ages ending better. I pretend that scene doesn't even exist now as it doesn't make a lick of sense with the marginally less awful EC endings.

[Han Shot First]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...
Going slight off topic, but that was one of the aspects of the endings I hated the most. It made at least some sense in the original endings where a galactic dark age that lasts millennia is implied. In those endings it would make sense that Shepard had passed from historical fact to a slightly mythological figure. It makes no sense at all in the Extended Cut however, where civilization no longer collapses in the High EMS variants. In those endings civilization does not lose the ability to preserve its history, and thus Shepard becoming mythological does not make a lick of sense.

If the next game is a sequel I hope that bit is quietly forgotten. Having Shepard be referred to as "the Shepard" in the next game would be both lame and nonsensical.

"The Founding Fathers"?

And that was only ~250 years ago.

Not really a good example.

None of the United States' founders have passed from historical figures to mythological. Many historical figures end up being romanticized a bit, but this is different. "The Shepherd" makes it sound as if Shepard was not a flesh and blood man (or woman), but some sort of Messiah. It has religious connotations. It turns Shepard into Space Jesus.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 février 2014 - 08:27 .

[wright1978]

Han Shot First wrote...

Not really a good example.

None of the United States' founders have passed from historical figures to mythological. Many historical figures end up being romanticized a bit, but this is different. "The Shepherd" makes it sound as if Shepard was not a flesh and blood man (or woman), but some sort of Messiah. It has religious connotations. It turns Shepard into Space Jesus.

Precisely their goal and hence why they were so wedded to the notion of Shep dying. The notion makes me reach for a vomit bucket and like you i hope the notion is locked securely in a padded room where it belongs.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Casey's comment in Mar 2012 was with the destroy the franchise ending. The EC can change that. They could canonize the High EMS destroy and continue Shepard. Picking control or synthesis could be handled the same way as a dead Shepard in ME2.

[Han Shot First]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Casey's comment in Mar 2012 was with the destroy the franchise ending.

He did?

That's odd, considering all the gentle nudging the game gives you towards Synthesis. Synthesis always gave me the impression of it being the two lead writers' darling.

[Dr_Extrem]

well ... the next game is (most likely) without shepard - ok ...

but what if the next protagonist turns out to be hawke 2.0 (most people did not like hawke at all)?

shepard was/is a selling argument and a pretty iconic character. even if people here state that shepards story is over and that he/she should rest in pieces, nobody would "push him/her out of the bed", if a new shepard-game would be released.

shepards future is tied to the reception of the next pc and the crew.


wait and see.


i said it before and i say it again ... make a second mass effect series of games. two seperate storylines in the same universe. one could be a shepard reboot (this would solve the reaper/ending-problem) and the other a firefly-like story. this would be like mixing "lord of the rings" with "conan the barbarien". shepard plays the "high fantasy" and the new firefly-like new troupe the "low fantasy" part. we could see the universe from two very different angles and bring fresh wind into the series, since the current state of the story can only be discribed as a "dead end".  

they could even tie into each other. tha would elevate the mass effect experience to a hole new level.

one universe, two branches but both potentually influence the other.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I think the people who want shepard to live should just leave. I don't even care where, maybe reddit? Make a shepard/r/ and just spent your time there complaining and demanding devs make another ****ty shepard game.

I don't even know. The longer I type this message the less interested I become. I don't even I think I can finish th